Ask HN: Best keyboard for Mac?
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It fails the quiet test, but the Unicomp IBM Model M clones [1] are excellent. They licensed the patents from IBM, and have updated the design for updated layouts and USB. In particular, the SpaceSaver M [2] is a IBM Model M with the Mac layout and USB connection. I have one of the Ultra Classics, and I love it. However, it is not quiet which is not an issue as I work from home. They do offer a quiet key option, but I have no experience with it.
[1]: http://www.pckeyboard.com/ [2]: http://www.pckeyboard.com/page/category/SpacesaverM
[1]: http://www.pckeyboard.com/ [2]: http://www.pckeyboard.com/page/category/SpacesaverM
Because a Windows style keyboard can [still] be reconfigured using OSX, [1] it might be worth considering the Microsoft Natural Ergonomic 4000. They're inexpensive (as little as $30 US at some retailers), reasonably robust (I've considered replacing mine due to unreadable keycaps not mechanical problems), and for me the layout ergonomics trumps a bar style layout with mechanical switches.
My suspicion is that Microsoft dog fooded these. Anyway, it might be cheap and easy enough to try as a solution.
Good luck.
[1] http://9to5mac.com/2016/03/17/how-to-remap-windows-keyboard-...
My suspicion is that Microsoft dog fooded these. Anyway, it might be cheap and easy enough to try as a solution.
Good luck.
[1] http://9to5mac.com/2016/03/17/how-to-remap-windows-keyboard-...
@brudgers A quick question regarding Microsoft Natural Ergonomic 4000 on OSX:
How to get the row of keys above the function keys to be detected on a Mac?
A quick Google shows that at one time some of them were automatically detected, yet others weren't. StackOverflow indicates that some Linux tools for observing keycodes have been ported to OSX from time to time. There's probably some research and effort to get corner cases covered.
On the other hand, it's not as if all those keys are available on alternative keyboards such as the Model M or the Happy Hacking. Hence it might not be worth penalizing the MSNE 4000 over what doesn't work too heavily.
To be clear, I run Linux primarily and Windows secondarily and OSX not at all and even under Windows I don't use the multi-media keys other than I once remapped the back and forward buttons under the scroll stick. The main reason I use and recommend MSNE 4000 is ergonomics.
The best resource I've found on keyboard ergonomics is Xah Lee's keyboard guide:
http://xahlee.info/kbd/keyboard_review_gallery.html
In the end, it's a matter of finding what works for me. The other keyboard I like is the Thinkpad's. YMMV.
On the other hand, it's not as if all those keys are available on alternative keyboards such as the Model M or the Happy Hacking. Hence it might not be worth penalizing the MSNE 4000 over what doesn't work too heavily.
To be clear, I run Linux primarily and Windows secondarily and OSX not at all and even under Windows I don't use the multi-media keys other than I once remapped the back and forward buttons under the scroll stick. The main reason I use and recommend MSNE 4000 is ergonomics.
The best resource I've found on keyboard ergonomics is Xah Lee's keyboard guide:
http://xahlee.info/kbd/keyboard_review_gallery.html
In the end, it's a matter of finding what works for me. The other keyboard I like is the Thinkpad's. YMMV.
I splurged and got myself a used Happy Hacking Pro 2 keyboard, just to see what the hype was all about. It's quiet, blank, and very fun to type on.
I also have a Leopold Otaku with Cherry MX brown keys. It's not as quiet as the HHK but I like the tactile feedback. I like the tenkeyless form factor better than the HHK because I use arrow keys sometimes.
And before those 2 expensive ones, I had a MS Natural ergonomic 4000 which was a good, inexpensive and comfortable keyboard. I had the one with the very stiff space-bar but I think the newer versions' keys were less stiff.
Good luck on your search. My dream keyboard would be one with the MS 4000 ergonomic layout and the keys of the HHK. But I've spent enough on keyboards for awhile. :)
I also have a Leopold Otaku with Cherry MX brown keys. It's not as quiet as the HHK but I like the tactile feedback. I like the tenkeyless form factor better than the HHK because I use arrow keys sometimes.
And before those 2 expensive ones, I had a MS Natural ergonomic 4000 which was a good, inexpensive and comfortable keyboard. I had the one with the very stiff space-bar but I think the newer versions' keys were less stiff.
Good luck on your search. My dream keyboard would be one with the MS 4000 ergonomic layout and the keys of the HHK. But I've spent enough on keyboards for awhile. :)
MS 4000 with mechanical keys is my dream keyboard too,
Is the market for such a niche product large enough for a kickstarter project ?
Is the market for such a niche product large enough for a kickstarter project ?
The Kinesis Advantage is a lot more ergonomic than the MS 4000, and has Cherry MX Brown switches.
It looks like it. There is the Ergodox (https://ergodox-ez.com) and the Ultimate Hacking Keyboard (https://ultimatehackingkeyboard.com/), which were/are both crowdfunded and have an ergo layout. I've also seen in a forum where someone hacked their Ms4000 to have Cherry MX keys.
Das Keyboard 4 Professional for Mac: http://www.daskeyboard.com/daskeyboard-4-professional-for-ma...
Some nice to knows: has a builtin 2 port USB 3.0 hub (superhandy for USB sticks and the like), N Key Rollover over USB, and a footbar which also can be repurposed as a ruler.
Can be purchased with Greetech brown (tactile) or blue (clicky) switches.
Some nice to knows: has a builtin 2 port USB 3.0 hub (superhandy for USB sticks and the like), N Key Rollover over USB, and a footbar which also can be repurposed as a ruler.
Can be purchased with Greetech brown (tactile) or blue (clicky) switches.
I've been very happy with the Logitech solar keyboard for mac. Feels good enough, and you can't beat that it never runs out of juice if you're in a room with a window. https://secure.logitech.com/en-us/product/wireless-solar-key...
+10. agreed, logitech solar keyboard is IIRC the first one where I haven't had a chance to think this keyboard does not work well. It has just faded in the background. Nothing to bother about the battery life.
Extra: the numeric keypad is a great addition for me personally, as I do/learn Blender modeling in my free time where having the numeric keypad is really required.
Extra: the numeric keypad is a great addition for me personally, as I do/learn Blender modeling in my free time where having the numeric keypad is really required.
I've been pretty happy with the ergonomics of the Kinesis Freestyle 2. The fact that it's 2 pieces means it can be adjusted to fit your body and desk exactly which is more than can be said about any other fixed body keyboard.
http://www.kinesis-ergo.com/shop/freestyle2-blue-pc/
http://www.kinesis-ergo.com/shop/freestyle2-blue-pc/
Kinesis Advantage
https://www.kinesis-ergo.com/shop/advantage-for-pc-mac/
It's ergonomic, mechanical, and has Mac support.
https://www.kinesis-ergo.com/shop/advantage-for-pc-mac/
It's ergonomic, mechanical, and has Mac support.
I have a Matias Tactile Pro that I'm quite fond of, but its loud.
A quick glance at their website and it looks like they now have a "quiet" version. I might have to give that a try...
It's easy to reconfigure a regular keyboard to have the same modifiers and same key locations as a Mac keyboard. Don't let the symbols on the keycaps deter you from choosing one you like.
I still use my old Apple white keyboard. It's a dirt magnet, but a comfy keyboard.
I tend to stab the low profile keys of my mac keyboards a little hard, and I'm noticing a little bit of discomfort :(
So, it is time to look at alternatives. Potentially a quiet mechanical or a high quality rubber dome.
Anyone fell in love with a mac/keyboard pairing lately?