MIT Values(mitvalues.org)
mitvalues.org
MIT Values
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As a long-time non-student-but-affiliate MIT person, initially as "some person who volunteered to work on some SIPB project[1]", I've been continuously amazed by the degree of openness of the MIT community. I could just walk in and visit the computer club, or go to an event with friends.
Sure, administration doesn't care, but members of the faculty are regularly willing to help out non-students. (I got a temporary account by asking a staff member nicely, to help me work a project that furthered the goals of computing at MIT)
So, thank you, MIT faculty, for clearly stating that people from all backgrounds are still welcome here[2].
[1]: http://sipb.mit.edu/ [2]: http://yawh.mit.edu/
Sure, administration doesn't care, but members of the faculty are regularly willing to help out non-students. (I got a temporary account by asking a staff member nicely, to help me work a project that furthered the goals of computing at MIT)
So, thank you, MIT faculty, for clearly stating that people from all backgrounds are still welcome here[2].
[1]: http://sipb.mit.edu/ [2]: http://yawh.mit.edu/
That's why they define community as "students, facility, staff, postdoctoral researchers and administrators" - not just people nearby.
> Now, these things sound nice on paper, but they run completely contrary to my experience in dealing with universities in my community. If you aren't pay tuition, they won't tell you the time of day.
Are you talking about faculty or administration people?
I always try to reply to everyone who contacts me even if they aren't a student. I even respond to the people that email me theories that rely on P=NP.
Are you talking about faculty or administration people?
I always try to reply to everyone who contacts me even if they aren't a student. I even respond to the people that email me theories that rely on P=NP.
MIT only has ~1000 faculty, so it's kinda impressive that 300+ have signed at this point.
Why does MIT feel the need to hold forth on this? It sounds a lot like the SJW posturing you see at second- and third-tier public universities and state colleges.
This statement seems a bit below MIT. They should take the high ground, above petty Presidential-cycle politics. Science and all that.
This statement seems a bit below MIT. They should take the high ground, above petty Presidential-cycle politics. Science and all that.
> SJW posturing you see at second- and third-tier
It's been difficult to take anyone seriously that has a problem with people they label as "Social Justice Warriors". Also, this isn't the sort of rhetoric I enjoy seeing on HN.
It's important to note that they also specifically called out the President-Elect for his Climate-Denying statements.
Him being racist – and a denier – make this incredibly important.
Why is this important? They are in a position of scientific authority, and they are opposing a position of government authority. He is incorrect, he is ascending to power, and this sets their authority against his authority.
This is about who you trust for your information and who will help shape your opinion. An esteemed educational institution, or a racist demagogue? Sounds to me like you've already made your choice.
It's been difficult to take anyone seriously that has a problem with people they label as "Social Justice Warriors". Also, this isn't the sort of rhetoric I enjoy seeing on HN.
It's important to note that they also specifically called out the President-Elect for his Climate-Denying statements.
Him being racist – and a denier – make this incredibly important.
Why is this important? They are in a position of scientific authority, and they are opposing a position of government authority. He is incorrect, he is ascending to power, and this sets their authority against his authority.
This is about who you trust for your information and who will help shape your opinion. An esteemed educational institution, or a racist demagogue? Sounds to me like you've already made your choice.
You mean I chose MIT. I didn't vote for Trump; I'm not even in the US. And even though I think Trump is a crackpot, I'd rather keep HN on tech, science, and programming. Same with MIT.
this isn't the sort of rhetoric I enjoy seeing on HN
Conversely, I don't enjoy seeing social justice rhetoric on HN. I come here for the tech, startup, and programming news and commentary. So I suppose we're even. The fact that you mistakenly read my view as pro-Trump only highlights the dangers of this kind of content on HN.
this isn't the sort of rhetoric I enjoy seeing on HN
Conversely, I don't enjoy seeing social justice rhetoric on HN. I come here for the tech, startup, and programming news and commentary. So I suppose we're even. The fact that you mistakenly read my view as pro-Trump only highlights the dangers of this kind of content on HN.
Gas lighting doesn't change the tone of your rhetoric. Drawing conclusions from what you said isn't a big stretch, given that you were dismissive, and clearly invested in the scientific portion of the MIT statement:
> Science and all that
Really sounds like you chose MIT. You know there's a part in there where they acknowledge climate change? That's pretty important.
> Social Justice Rhetoric on HN.
Again, really hard to take you seriously.
> Science and all that
Really sounds like you chose MIT. You know there's a part in there where they acknowledge climate change? That's pretty important.
> Social Justice Rhetoric on HN.
Again, really hard to take you seriously.
You engaged in standard read-in to my comment, not even trying to understand what was meant. You say that "it's hard to take you seriously", yet the HN guidelines are clearly on my side of this issue.
I also dislike the increasing SJW content on HN. Leave that stuff to the Tumblrinas, I want my tech news back.
You're right: HN isn't supposed to have so much political content. It's even included in the guidelines.
Help be part of the solution. Flag politically charged articles. Strip political speech from your comments. Call out in a non-partisan way comments that are injecting politics needlessly into the conversation. Submit and up vote tech articles you find interesting.
Help be part of the solution. Flag politically charged articles. Strip political speech from your comments. Call out in a non-partisan way comments that are injecting politics needlessly into the conversation. Submit and up vote tech articles you find interesting.
People like to express their opinions and be heard. If each of these faculty went on HN or reddit or the streets and said "I don't like Donald Trump" nobody would care. However as a collective force people will care enough to open the link and skim through the text. Maybe if they get enough people they'll get a small segment on CNN's morning show.
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More virtue signaling. It's a shame that it's coming from MIT.
Calling out virtue signaling is itself virtue signaling. Do you have something meaningful to add?
If we start to see stifling of legitimate, civil speech, then I think we have cause for concern. I'm encouraged that the statement specifically includes
We uphold the principles of the scientific method, of fact- and reason-based objective inquiry. Science is not a special interest; it is not optional. Science is a foundational ingredient in how we as a society analyze, understand, and solve the most difficult challenges that we face.
Looking (albeit briefly) online, I found one indication that free speech might be under threat at MIT:
http://projects.wgbhnews.org/muzzle-awards-2015/mit/
This describes a broadening of the MIT anti-hazing policy as including "mental discomfort", which, according to the author's commentary is part of "the gradual yet radical transformation of the Massachusetts Institute of Technology from one of the most robust academic centers of free speech and free thought in the world, to just another politically correct wannabe gulag."
That said, the text doesn't include any actual incidence of complaints of these restrictions being applied. If there were, I'd think they'd be included. Of course, that doesn't mean there haven't been such occurrences. Such data would add weight to such allegations.
If we start to see stifling of legitimate, civil speech, then I think we have cause for concern. I'm encouraged that the statement specifically includes
We uphold the principles of the scientific method, of fact- and reason-based objective inquiry. Science is not a special interest; it is not optional. Science is a foundational ingredient in how we as a society analyze, understand, and solve the most difficult challenges that we face.
Looking (albeit briefly) online, I found one indication that free speech might be under threat at MIT:
http://projects.wgbhnews.org/muzzle-awards-2015/mit/
This describes a broadening of the MIT anti-hazing policy as including "mental discomfort", which, according to the author's commentary is part of "the gradual yet radical transformation of the Massachusetts Institute of Technology from one of the most robust academic centers of free speech and free thought in the world, to just another politically correct wannabe gulag."
That said, the text doesn't include any actual incidence of complaints of these restrictions being applied. If there were, I'd think they'd be included. Of course, that doesn't mean there haven't been such occurrences. Such data would add weight to such allegations.
Aka MIT values political correctness over free speech. Great. Reminds me of my university, they had a "free speech zone" to sidestep the reality that saying the wrong thing on other parts of campus could get you expelled.
Many have labeled trump as a near fascist and one of the hallmarks of such a regime is suppression of free speech and thought. In banning unpopular speech MIT has become closer to the very thing it's trying to distance itself from
Many have labeled trump as a near fascist and one of the hallmarks of such a regime is suppression of free speech and thought. In banning unpopular speech MIT has become closer to the very thing it's trying to distance itself from
>The President-elect has appointed individuals to positions of power who have endorsed racism, misogyny and religious bigotry
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>For any member of our community who may feel fear or oppression, our doors are open and we are ready to help. We pledge to work with all members of the community – students, faculty, staff, postdoctoral researchers, and administrators – to defend these principles today and in the times ahead.
Now, these things sound nice on paper, but they run completely contrary to my experience in dealing with universities in my community. If you aren't pay tuition, they won't tell you the time of day.
That's completely fair, but let's call a spade a spade.