Tech Bootcamps in Palestine(visitpalestine.tech)
visitpalestine.tech
Tech Bootcamps in Palestine
https://www.visitpalestine.tech/bootcamp
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Honest question : there are a few engineers in SV that are jews. Are they allowed to come in ? (and is it safe for them to do so ?)
Yeah its perfectly acceptable and safe to do so, as you can read in the FAQ. Palestinians (I am one) have nothing against Jews
"Avoid wearing outward signs of support for Israel (and, if possible, symbols of Judaism) inside Palestinian areas as you may be mistaken for a Settler intending harm"
So you are saying it's not safe for a Jew to come. As wearing a kippah can lead to altercations.
So you are saying it's not safe for a Jew to come. As wearing a kippah can lead to altercations.
Well they also say
“Avoid wearing outward signs of support for Palestinians (kaffiyah, slogan t-shirts, etc.) and/or Islam in Settler-controlled areas in the West Bank”
Takes 2 to tango right?
“Avoid wearing outward signs of support for Palestinians (kaffiyah, slogan t-shirts, etc.) and/or Islam in Settler-controlled areas in the West Bank”
Takes 2 to tango right?
Whataboutism doesn't really change the answer to the question...
Edit: considered not responding more, but since this seems like a possible safety issue: having spent many years living in the region (and with family who still live there), if you're an openly practicing Jew you should not spend extended amounts of time in the West Bank or Gaza unless you're willing to risk your life for your cause. A day trip is probably fine.
Edit: considered not responding more, but since this seems like a possible safety issue: having spent many years living in the region (and with family who still live there), if you're an openly practicing Jew you should not spend extended amounts of time in the West Bank or Gaza unless you're willing to risk your life for your cause. A day trip is probably fine.
> Whataboutism doesn't really change the answer to the question...
I'll take that.
I think it was a bit of an uneccessary thing to point out when the website tries to be neutral about the issue and just tries to do something good. Don't get me wrong, if I am ever in the middle east, I'm not stepping out of Israel.
I'll take that.
I think it was a bit of an uneccessary thing to point out when the website tries to be neutral about the issue and just tries to do something good. Don't get me wrong, if I am ever in the middle east, I'm not stepping out of Israel.
> if I am ever in the middle east, I'm not stepping out of Israel.
Can you elaborate on this?
Can you elaborate on this?
As much as wearing a kyffeia in any jewish neighborood can lead to some friendly 5vs1 improptu meetup in a dark alley with some of the local "security" (Rome ghetto would be an excellent example).
i'm not sure where you've been in israel but i've stayed in tel aviv and jerusalem a few times, and there are muslims absolutely everywhere from all ages and looks... Maybe kyffeia is something different because it carries an image of violence, and not just political fight ?
Much like wearing a nikab should be fine in most if the US , but carrying an al quaeda flag in new york wouldn't probably be a good idea..
And here in France the pro-Palestinians groups are accused of increasing antisemitism... I remember that one group of Israeli student going to various universities to have discussions with French students was prevented to enter one niversity near Paris by a group of pro-Palestinian students (but those studends were not from Palestine themselves).
And the situation is not help by French associations, like the CRIF, that label support of Palestine as antisemitism.
And the situation is not help by French associations, like the CRIF, that label support of Palestine as antisemitism.
I believe that you don't have anything against jews. not sure you can just generalize across the board though. And this applies jews -> palestinians and palestinians -> jews.
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As long as you can hide it. If you're openly Jewish, nobody will vouch for your physical safety though.
It's pretty safe! happy to answer any question you have
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I traveled to Gaza to mentor with Gaza Sky Geeks in December. While I was there Trump decided to recognize Jerusalem as the capital of Israel and the leader of Hamas decided to respond by declaring a 'Day of Rage'. My writeup of that experience here: https://medium.com/@gillianim/what-its-like-in-gaza-on-a-day...
The TL;DR is that the majority of Palestinians are trying to live normal lives and don't care much about international political chess. As a foreigner I felt completely safe. Many Jewish people have mentored at Gaza Sky Geeks and had no issue. I traveled through the Erez checkpoint and didn't have my passport stamped, though I'm pretty sure some malware got installed on my computer when they took it away for 'screening'. Logistically, I had to apply for permits about two months in advance, and you never know whether you'll get in or not; but all in all my experience at all checkpoints and entrance/exit to Israel was straightforward. It was an incredible experience all around and I was so impressed with the Palestinian people in Gaza that I met. Happy to answer any questions for people thinking of going!
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i haven't been to palestine (yet) but one of my closest friends is palestinian from west bank (and i've been following the occupation closely since i met him 10 years ago). it is astonishing to me that they're running this in gaza as well as west bank. i wish them well and wish i could support the effort somehow.
Logistcally getting in/out of Gaza is far more difficult than the West Bank. A western passport means you get get to places like Ramallah by simply driving there, some checkpoints you barely need to slow down, others they stop you and check your passports, but even late at night at Qalandiya, a British Passport works wonders (Different story if you're from the west bank of course)
Gaza on the other hand requires a ton of permits to get in
Gaza on the other hand requires a ton of permits to get in
from what i've heard from my friend (who has both passports) the waits at checkpoints in the west bank are potentially interminable. now he does have both passports so that might be why
Depends so much on the checkpoint, time, method and mood. If you're a white family driving back from Bethlehem to Jerusalem at 8pm with a foreign passport, you'll barely notice it. If you're an Arab looking young male walking through qualandria at 8am with a West Bank ID card, you're screwed.
Gaza is a different ball game, it's always quiet, almost eerie at Erez, but it will still take over an hour to get out from being dropped off. Getting in is a little quicker.
Gaza is a different ball game, it's always quiet, almost eerie at Erez, but it will still take over an hour to get out from being dropped off. Getting in is a little quicker.
from the link: https://www.visitpalestine.tech/get-involved-details/
lots of options here. Cheers!
lots of options here. Cheers!
Great find!!!
The "occupation". There are 1.8+ billion muslims in the world. Who is occupying whom.
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I went to Gaza in the summer of 2016 and did a mini-AMA here on HN [0]. In short, it was a tremendously rewarding experience and I'd highly recommend it. The Gazans I met were driven, friendly, and very curious about what life in the states was like.
Happy to answer any questions not addressed on the site.
[0] - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=11858963
Happy to answer any questions not addressed on the site.
[0] - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=11858963
Heh, I remember that thread as if it were posted yesterday! A great article and discussion honestly.
gotta be careful, might get bombed by the israeli's
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what is not substantive about raising awareness regarding the genocide that is underway in Palestine? Trying to silence this makes you complicit in the abuses occurring there.
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It's not that I don't think the question matters or that I don't care or don't want to reply properly—especially to such a horrible accusation as justifying genocide. It's that I literally—in the general case—can't. Even 5 of me couldn't.
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I visited Palestine last year and met a few university students. They were so hungry to learn but lacked the resources. Great initiative.
Awesome!
Visited Palestine in 2016 - such humble people and sad to see how they are treated. This is an awesome initiative and would be awesome to help out with.
I applied. Who knows, maybe my job will let me take a month off :)
Unfortunately the only reasons these "bootcamps" exist is to creater cheaper workforce for tech companies. They don't provide good education, just specialization in the areas that the tech companies decided they want.
While I agree to an extent, I think it does a disservice to those that want to be involved in tech and can't take 3/4 years to get a degree to get past HR for an interview.
I've worked with a few bootcamp grads in the past. Some have been absolutely woeful, and others have been some of the most skilled developers I've ever worked with. While the bootcamp itself might be a way to get cheaper workers in, I'd argue that if it's producing good developers then it's a necessary evil.
Also, experience will always be valued by good employers, and an injection of inexperience into the workforce often means rising salaries/rates for senior developers.
I've worked with a few bootcamp grads in the past. Some have been absolutely woeful, and others have been some of the most skilled developers I've ever worked with. While the bootcamp itself might be a way to get cheaper workers in, I'd argue that if it's producing good developers then it's a necessary evil.
Also, experience will always be valued by good employers, and an injection of inexperience into the workforce often means rising salaries/rates for senior developers.
Don't you think that being a hub for foreign companies would be an excellent way for Palestine to be recognized (and possibly protected) by the rest of the world?
I guess it's over 7-8 decades now that there land was taken away by people from other nationalities, so its high time that its recognized, otherwise International law/human rights are not served well in 21st century..
Isn't it a good step towards a greater good ? If tech companies start to hire from ME, regardless of country, those people can make an impact for their own homelands.
Depends what you mean by greater good. Offshoring is pretty good for Western managers. No appreciable benefits for Western shareholders or customers, and big negatives for Western workers.
What about the offshore workers? They might benefit for a short time until an even cheaper location opens up, that’s all. Once the jobs are mobile, they will keep moving.
Far better to create indigenous industries.
What about the offshore workers? They might benefit for a short time until an even cheaper location opens up, that’s all. Once the jobs are mobile, they will keep moving.
Far better to create indigenous industries.
Is that wrong? Learning topics like computer science, which lack the ability to be generalized to other aspects of life, if and when there is not enough demand for it is worthless (in the sense that it has no value).
However, if companies desire a specific set of skills related to, but not exactly computer science (programming), it makes a lot of sense to create school focused on that particular subject — especially if they're willing to sponsor it. Further, it adds value to society as a whole, as by creating the goods/services people want cheaper, standard of living goes up.
However, if companies desire a specific set of skills related to, but not exactly computer science (programming), it makes a lot of sense to create school focused on that particular subject — especially if they're willing to sponsor it. Further, it adds value to society as a whole, as by creating the goods/services people want cheaper, standard of living goes up.
This is a cool initiative.
I've always been a bit bummed that as software engineers, there tend to be less overseas volunteering opportunities than other forms of engineering.
I'll be honest and admit that I just want to go to cool places and do work there. There's always lots of roles for civil and mechanical engineers, as well as doctors, but there's never much need for software engineers in the jungles of Cambodia or the beaches of the Solomon Islands.
I've always been a bit bummed that as software engineers, there tend to be less overseas volunteering opportunities than other forms of engineering.
I'll be honest and admit that I just want to go to cool places and do work there. There's always lots of roles for civil and mechanical engineers, as well as doctors, but there's never much need for software engineers in the jungles of Cambodia or the beaches of the Solomon Islands.
You don't need an expensive coding bootcamp. I honestly think you'll get more value from something like https://edabit.com or http//codewars.com
I don't think this is what the website is about, is it? Give it another read.
Edit: ahh I see it was casual spamming of your own site.
Edit: ahh I see it was casual spamming of your own site.
As someone who lives in the region I am delighted to see initiatives like this. I wish in the future companies and personals will create bonds across the harsh borders.
Bnds accross the border are a good thing for sure, but I don't see how this will change anything today, and the only way forward to a Palestinian non-extreme democracy which is a precondition for peace, is through local resistance.
Engaging Palestinians in international collaborative projects which treat them like normal human beings and are aimed at doing something other than reinforcing their antipathy towards Israel is a helpful step towards non-extreme democracy
Is Gaza still controlled by Hamas?
Very much so, yes. They’re not completely unaware of the need for PR though, so you’re unlikely to be hassled. Unlikely, but I for one wouldn’t take the chance. I realize that sentiment around this issue is massively polarized, but the reality is complex. Nobody likes to talk about what persona non grata Palestinians are in other Arab nations, and the degree to which their current circumstances are the result of that. The reasoning for that policy of containment by Arab nations ranges from political expediency, through racism, into genuine fear. It’s worth understanding the rationale for the whole spectrum before making a trip to Gaza.
It’s not as simple as people on either extreme of the issue would have you believe.
It’s not as simple as people on either extreme of the issue would have you believe.