Hong Kong Protests: The most striking illustrations from the movement so far(digitalartsonline.co.uk)
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Hong Kong Protests: The most striking illustrations from the movement so far
https://www.digitalartsonline.co.uk/features/illustration/hong-kong-protests-most-striking-illustrations-from-movement-so-far/
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If you support Hong Kong's struggle for democracy, please don't turn your back on Puerto Rico's.
The US has denied Puerto Ricans democratic rights for almost 120 years now.
The US has denied Puerto Ricans democratic rights for almost 120 years now.
Hong Kong good, Brexit bad, catalan independence bad. I haven't seen much consistency on the right to self determination from the HN meta opinion.
That is such a blatant oversimplification.
Brexit is bad because it’s a shitshow that was never seriously believed would happen let alone be properly planned. It will leave the UK in an objectively worse position in terms of power, economy and politics.
Catalan independence is bad because it won’t improve anything, it’s a pride of culture movement that will likely negatively affect the population. The EU stated that it wouldn’t accept a Catalan state as a member, so the economy and movement would be heavily restricted.
HK independence is good because the Chinese government and state apparatus is evil. Having your home and culture consumed and extinguished is not something anyone would wish for. Maintaining independence is objectively better than being controlled by China.
Brexit is bad because it’s a shitshow that was never seriously believed would happen let alone be properly planned. It will leave the UK in an objectively worse position in terms of power, economy and politics.
Catalan independence is bad because it won’t improve anything, it’s a pride of culture movement that will likely negatively affect the population. The EU stated that it wouldn’t accept a Catalan state as a member, so the economy and movement would be heavily restricted.
HK independence is good because the Chinese government and state apparatus is evil. Having your home and culture consumed and extinguished is not something anyone would wish for. Maintaining independence is objectively better than being controlled by China.
So only those oppressed by brutal dictatorships deserve self determination? Economically the damage done by independence would make brexit look like an irrelevant blip, they're dependent on water and electricity from China.
> So only those oppressed by brutal dictatorships deserve self determination?
No, everyone deserves it. It's just that people not under brutal dictatorships observably more often already have it.
No, everyone deserves it. It's just that people not under brutal dictatorships observably more often already have it.
> No, everyone deserves it
This is not what I usually see reflected in the comments here and the wider media narrative. If we criticize one country for being a dictatorship and criticize another for giving people a vote and following through on that vote it's certainly worth looking at how we came to those opinions.
This is not what I usually see reflected in the comments here and the wider media narrative. If we criticize one country for being a dictatorship and criticize another for giving people a vote and following through on that vote it's certainly worth looking at how we came to those opinions.
If you're referring to Brexit, I don't think it's meaningfully comparable. A significant enough fraction of people were deluded into voting for it or did so on a lark, legitimately believing it was never going to pass, that it just can't be taken as credible.
A vote that is substantially cast on the basis of disinformation or lulz is not a legitimate vote, and despite occasionally overwhelming public outcry to the effect that they want one, the people haven't been given the chance to recast it.
A clown, indicating every intent of not following the vote of the Parliament he leads, into an action which the polity he and that Parliament represent seem, largely enough, not to want that a new referendum is the only not-insane choice, is an existential danger to democracy. There is nothing to reconcile between these not-exemplary-of-anything-but-themselves cases.
A vote that is substantially cast on the basis of disinformation or lulz is not a legitimate vote, and despite occasionally overwhelming public outcry to the effect that they want one, the people haven't been given the chance to recast it.
A clown, indicating every intent of not following the vote of the Parliament he leads, into an action which the polity he and that Parliament represent seem, largely enough, not to want that a new referendum is the only not-insane choice, is an existential danger to democracy. There is nothing to reconcile between these not-exemplary-of-anything-but-themselves cases.
>the Chinese government and state apparatus is evil
The propaganda is strong with this one.
The propaganda is strong with this one.
It looks like you've been using HN primarily for political and national battle. We ban accounts that do that because it's not what this site is for. Would you please review https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html and use HN as intended?
> Brexit is bad because it’s a shitshow that was never seriously believed would happen let alone be properly planned. It will leave the UK in an objectively worse position in terms of power, economy and politics.
You're not wrong I suppose, but I don't quite understand why it's not considered possible for a nation to have sovereign independence and still function reasonably well. I'm sure being a member of the EU offers some advantages with respect to standards and efficiency, but I don't get why a nation can't remain independent and interact with other nations (complying with any necessary standards), at a cost of say 5%-10% to their economy due to the disadvantages of not being fully integrated.
You're not wrong I suppose, but I don't quite understand why it's not considered possible for a nation to have sovereign independence and still function reasonably well. I'm sure being a member of the EU offers some advantages with respect to standards and efficiency, but I don't get why a nation can't remain independent and interact with other nations (complying with any necessary standards), at a cost of say 5%-10% to their economy due to the disadvantages of not being fully integrated.
It definitely would have been interesting to see what a properly planned and executed Brexit would have looked like.
But the referendum to leave was essentially pitched as “we will maintain all of the benefits, have more money, and get rid of those immigrants”. It probably would not have gotten nearly as much support if it were pitched honestly as “we will lose 10% of our economy, lose free movement to our nearest neighbors, and will lose tremendous leverage in international negotiations”
But the referendum to leave was essentially pitched as “we will maintain all of the benefits, have more money, and get rid of those immigrants”. It probably would not have gotten nearly as much support if it were pitched honestly as “we will lose 10% of our economy, lose free movement to our nearest neighbors, and will lose tremendous leverage in international negotiations”
I agree, but if you observe the nature of conversation on the matter, even intelligent people seem to hold the belief that it is literally not possible (without destroying themselves) for countries to exist independently and trade/cooperate with each other, even though that is essentially the very model we've operated on for essentially all of modern history. There is way too much delusional thinking going on.
> Catalan independence is bad because it won’t improve anything, it’s a pride of culture movement that will likely negatively affect the population.
It seems to me you're describing the exact situation in Hong Kong right now.
It seems to me you're describing the exact situation in Hong Kong right now.
Catalan would lose free movement in the EU by leaving Spain.
HK would lose movement to the world by being absorbed by China.
If Spain were an authoritarian regime like China the Catalan would have been extinguished, punished and redistributed to other parts of Spain, while they and their family were observed for insubordination for the rest of their lives.
HK would lose movement to the world by being absorbed by China.
If Spain were an authoritarian regime like China the Catalan would have been extinguished, punished and redistributed to other parts of Spain, while they and their family were observed for insubordination for the rest of their lives.
The first one was drawn by HK cartoonist Ar To
https://www.facebook.com/Artohk/photos/a.337271833020631/239...
The caption reads: ️Full of love, pure love for Hong Kong #GodBlessHongKong #GodBlessStudents
The caption reads: ️Full of love, pure love for Hong Kong #GodBlessHongKong #GodBlessStudents
Another thread with more visual art related to the movement: https://twitter.com/hardmaru/status/1163340286983979009
Sorry, this page looks too much like those clickbait sites which make you click Next for each morsel of information and relentlessly bombard you with ads along the way.
It's a real shame the canvas doesn't do justice to the artists' illustrations.
It's a real shame the canvas doesn't do justice to the artists' illustrations.
Serious vote brigading going on in HN - hope the admins look into it.
EDIT: visit lihkg.com and search "ycombinator"
EDIT: visit lihkg.com and search "ycombinator"
Shill for China much?
interesting to see that artistic style they have made the guy with the hammer attacking the protesters in is a very obvious and unflattering stylist "Chinese" man.
Shows they really see this as an "Us vs Them" situation...
Shows they really see this as an "Us vs Them" situation...
I don’t think that is a from western stereotype, more like a from Chinese one, so calling it “Chinese man” might not translate very well, bumpkin thug would be more appropriate.
He means the guy with a hammer looks like a Hong Kong-er's stereotype of a mainlander.
Yes, I would agree with that.
Because this is... vintage Chinese-style painting. Everyone will appear Chinese-like.
Ignoring the fact that 95% of Hong Kong people are ethnically Chinese...
no, not ignoring it.
Its a deliberate racial characterization in an unfavorable style, despite the fact they're either the same racially or very very similar.
Not saying I like or agree with it, just that its socially interesting.
Its a deliberate racial characterization in an unfavorable style, despite the fact they're either the same racially or very very similar.
Not saying I like or agree with it, just that its socially interesting.
The second week of the protests involved them hunting down middle aged women who had the temerity to dance in a public park, because said middle aged women were mainland Chinese. This is a localist, nativist protest through and through.
They were softcore sex workers soliciting in the middle of public parks. It's nothing to do with their country of origin.
Were they convicted in a court of law? Where's the legally binding proof?
It's not strictly illegal but it's antisocial behaviour and the government didn't do anything when local residents raised their concerns.
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This is a great example of protest art as propaganda.
This piece actually refers to a specific incident where the protestors attacked uncooperative bystanders (presumably fellow HK'ers) on a train at Prince Edward Station, one of whom used a hammer to defend himself:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7IpfKRRbiEQ
Later the police were called by the subway authorities, and went ahead to arrest the now cowed protestors:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c-wKmycZ_DA
The news only reported on the second video. You can also see how "Resist Girl" manages to turn reality into a completely distorted narrative.
This piece actually refers to a specific incident where the protestors attacked uncooperative bystanders (presumably fellow HK'ers) on a train at Prince Edward Station, one of whom used a hammer to defend himself:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7IpfKRRbiEQ
Later the police were called by the subway authorities, and went ahead to arrest the now cowed protestors:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c-wKmycZ_DA
The news only reported on the second video. You can also see how "Resist Girl" manages to turn reality into a completely distorted narrative.
Oh, why there is no picture showing how they destroy public facilities and attack polices
Sadly we're still waiting for any remarkable art piece from the pro-Govt side...
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Same reason why there are no pictures showing how they attack people who are speaking Mandarin: because certain news editors and online journalists have decided a narrative and feel those pictures detract from it.
now show me the yellow vests, or don't you wonder why Western media completely ignore the fact French yellow vests have been protesting their gov for 47 Saturdays in a row? and are still getting shot in the face by Macron's actual fascist police?
This account is only a few minutes old and seems to be deliberately spreading unsubstantiated and misleading or false information.
y'all know the protests are being funded by the U.S. to siphon Hong Kong's economy away from mainland China, right? it's "war by any means" nowadays, and the war of wars has already begun
3rd world war: U.S. against China, winner take all (the planets)
3rd world war: U.S. against China, winner take all (the planets)
Do you have any source for this claim? If anything, the current U.S. administration has been sympathetic to Xi and the Chinese government over this matter.
The USA started World War 3 almost two decades ago.
Just because it hasn't hit any Western shores doesn't mean civilization isn't being utterly destroyed by those with the military means to do so.
Just because it hasn't hit any Western shores doesn't mean civilization isn't being utterly destroyed by those with the military means to do so.
We only found out about extent of the death camps after the military defeat of the Nazis. They were set to erase all traces.
So at this point, you don't even fully know what you're doing your whataboutism with.
So at this point, you don't even fully know what you're doing your whataboutism with.
Its not whataboutism, because only Americans are ignorant of the nature of their heinous wars. Some of us are on the lines with the refugees and the orphans, and have heard more than enough details to the point where I only wish it were agitprop and cheap talk on a non-refugee-persons' website.
If you care to look, you can see the truth in the eyes of the children who have lost their parents or brothers or sisters, or arms and/or legs. They're out there, but of course, if you are living the high life in the good ol' USA, you'd have to take a long flight to see, for yourself, the truth.
If you care to look, you can see the truth in the eyes of the children who have lost their parents or brothers or sisters, or arms and/or legs. They're out there, but of course, if you are living the high life in the good ol' USA, you'd have to take a long flight to see, for yourself, the truth.
> because only Americans are ignorant of the nature of their heinous wars
Not everybody here even is American, I for one am not.
Of course it's whataboutism. When I say "hey, did you know drinking bleach is bad?" and you talk about how alcohol kills more people, that's whataboutism, regardless of how true what you distract with is.
> Some of us are on the lines with the refugees and the orphans
I also helped refugees, I just don't need to parade that around, in order to justify my whataboutism, because I don't engage in whataboutism.
Not everybody here even is American, I for one am not.
Of course it's whataboutism. When I say "hey, did you know drinking bleach is bad?" and you talk about how alcohol kills more people, that's whataboutism, regardless of how true what you distract with is.
> Some of us are on the lines with the refugees and the orphans
I also helped refugees, I just don't need to parade that around, in order to justify my whataboutism, because I don't engage in whataboutism.
Hong Kong is just more of the same American/Coalition imperialism taking place in order to gain further control over Western resources.
https://i.redd.it/w8q24l4r10l31.jpg
This along with Hong Kongers singing "Do You Hear the People Sing" really make it another great revolution just like the French Revolution.