Ask HN: Best way to increase typing speed?
I’m looking for some resources/tips on how to best increase my typing speed.
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Context here matters. Why are you trying to increase your typing speed?
Do you hunt and peck, and you want to type faster? Do you feel you "don't type very fast," compared to some kind of standard? Are you competing in typing competitions?
If you hunt and peck, your best course of action is to break your habit and learn to type on homerow keys.
If you feel you don't type fast enough using homerow keys, your best bet is just to type more. Perhaps think out a sentence, then test yourself for how fast you can type it versus just typing things off the cuff. I find that when I know what I want to type (e.g. I know a sentence I want to say), I can type blazingly fast, versus typing words as they come out of my brain, which is much slower.
Do you hunt and peck, and you want to type faster? Do you feel you "don't type very fast," compared to some kind of standard? Are you competing in typing competitions?
If you hunt and peck, your best course of action is to break your habit and learn to type on homerow keys.
If you feel you don't type fast enough using homerow keys, your best bet is just to type more. Perhaps think out a sentence, then test yourself for how fast you can type it versus just typing things off the cuff. I find that when I know what I want to type (e.g. I know a sentence I want to say), I can type blazingly fast, versus typing words as they come out of my brain, which is much slower.
I agree on the context issue as I have been surviving on my simple typing skills for drafting business reports and writing codes. One trick that I use to speed up is by using muscle memory, in the sense that I will estimate exact position and distance that my fingers have to move. I am comfortable using Thinkpad keyboard, however I would be at lost if I have to use other laptops.
As for speed of typing vs mind, I use simple words that requires less characters to express my initial idea. I will gradually revise my sentences to elaborate or simplify it. Perhaps it is my workaround to overcome my shortcoming. Coming up with something to write or code is my bottleneck.
I learned about traditional typing skill using mechanical typewriter. However, I am more at ease with my 1-1 finger movement (1 index finger plus thumb on each hand) on my laptop.
As for speed of typing vs mind, I use simple words that requires less characters to express my initial idea. I will gradually revise my sentences to elaborate or simplify it. Perhaps it is my workaround to overcome my shortcoming. Coming up with something to write or code is my bottleneck.
I learned about traditional typing skill using mechanical typewriter. However, I am more at ease with my 1-1 finger movement (1 index finger plus thumb on each hand) on my laptop.
I used Typing club's Typing Jungle[1] for several months every morning for 15-30 minutes to go from slow hunt and peck to touch-typing at 60-70 WPM. They have almost 700 lessons of increasing difficulty.
Keep in mind that those lessons are for typing normal texts, not code (not enough lessons incorporating special symbols). It worked well for me since I don't care about speed that much when typing code. Being able to type prose much faster is more important to me.
I have typing.io[2] bookmarked for practicing typing code. I never really got into it since I feel like I get enough practice when writing my own code.
[1] https://www.typingclub.com
[2] https://typing.io
Keep in mind that those lessons are for typing normal texts, not code (not enough lessons incorporating special symbols). It worked well for me since I don't care about speed that much when typing code. Being able to type prose much faster is more important to me.
I have typing.io[2] bookmarked for practicing typing code. I never really got into it since I feel like I get enough practice when writing my own code.
[1] https://www.typingclub.com
[2] https://typing.io
Thumbs up for typing club. I put my kids on it. I took a typing course when I was 15 and TC most closely resembles that instruction.
Typing club is excellent. With my kids out of school for the foreseeable future, this will be great to keep them busy – thank you!
I can only tell how we were taught 10 finger typing, some 30 years ago:
Don't aim for speed! Aim for typing without errors and - more importantly - a constant rhythm. Music helps. Start extremely slow and spell out each word letter by letter in your mind.
You should find many exercises out there for how to get started with all fingers. But the key is really to slow things down. It's very much like learning an instrument.
If you keep practicing this say 10-20 minutes per day you'll soon see progress. Speed then comes very naturally and without much effort.
Don't aim for speed! Aim for typing without errors and - more importantly - a constant rhythm. Music helps. Start extremely slow and spell out each word letter by letter in your mind.
You should find many exercises out there for how to get started with all fingers. But the key is really to slow things down. It's very much like learning an instrument.
If you keep practicing this say 10-20 minutes per day you'll soon see progress. Speed then comes very naturally and without much effort.
I agree with the part about aiming for accuracy instead of speed. But I disagree with the constant rhythm thing. Maintaining a constant rhythm will slow you down, as there are always words or letter combinations which are slower to type. Thus, if you strive to maintain a constant rhythm, you have to adjust your rhythm to the slower parts, which means it will slow you down for the faster parts.
I disagree. That's exactly the point: If you practice to achieve a constant typing rate (and start slow!) there will be no hard combinations anymore.
In fact it's exactly because of these "hard combinations" why your overall speed is slow, because you can't keep the high pace of the rest. So you have to master them first.
It's pretty much the same if you e.g. learn guitar: If you play a scale of notes you want to play it nice and smooth and not suddenly slow down at the hard part. If you can't play it smooth you're practicing to fast, so slow down until you mastered it.
In fact it's exactly because of these "hard combinations" why your overall speed is slow, because you can't keep the high pace of the rest. So you have to master them first.
It's pretty much the same if you e.g. learn guitar: If you play a scale of notes you want to play it nice and smooth and not suddenly slow down at the hard part. If you can't play it smooth you're practicing to fast, so slow down until you mastered it.
But regardless of how much you practice, not all key combinations can physically be performed at the same speed, because some keys are easier to reach than others. So again, either you adjust all your typing to a constant rhythm and waste speed potential on the faster combinations, or you just accept variable speeds.
The comparison with musical instruments doesn't make that much sense because in music, the constant rhythm is required to stay in time. This requirement doesn't exist in typing.
The comparison with musical instruments doesn't make that much sense because in music, the constant rhythm is required to stay in time. This requirement doesn't exist in typing.
Being more rhythmic will help if you frequently interchagne letter combinations that are faster to type. Or if you type on a typewriter it helps prevent jamming the typebars together.
This is definitely the key point, I think. Accuracy begets velocity.
I got a lot better and faster at typing when I switched to a das keyboard without key labels. It forced me to learn and not rely on looking down at the keys.
10/10 would recommend.. also it stops noobs from using your box.
10/10 would recommend.. also it stops noobs from using your box.
I did the same thing, however I thought I knew the keys! Took a few weeks but now I'm typing far faster.
I think I could manage this with alpha-numeric characters. How do you fare with programming symbols and such?
I did the same, but the only thing that happened was that I couldn't type symbols (quick, type a $ without looking at the keyboard). I exchanged it with one with keycaps afterwards.
Eventually you do learn where they all are. That did take noticeably longer than anything else.
Did you get faster than before in the end?
Probably. I've never measured them specifically. But since I can 'just' type them without looking or frequent mistakes, I'm probably faster since I never have to stop and look.
I've been using a glyphless keyboard for about 2 weeks now (accidentally) and I have definitely gone up in accuracy. Now I can hit $&% in the second try
Das was great, but starting with the 4 they changed manufacturers to china and have lame quality for the price. (I say this as someone who has a 12 year old das in front of me that I'm using to type this) I do totally recommend a blank keyboard, though! Just check out wasd or kb paradise or something
Here's a up to date buying guide, find one that lets you get blank or has a standard layout you can swap with a set of caps you like https://www.reddit.com/r/MechanicalKeyboards/wiki/buying_gui...
Here's a up to date buying guide, find one that lets you get blank or has a standard layout you can swap with a set of caps you like https://www.reddit.com/r/MechanicalKeyboards/wiki/buying_gui...
The budget option would be to cover all of your keycaps with masking tape. Fun for an afternoon.
Just put a towel or whatever over the keyboard / hands while practising.
That way, when you're using the mouse and just need to press "#" you can glance at the keyboard to do so.
That way, when you're using the mouse and just need to press "#" you can glance at the keyboard to do so.
I learned basic touch typing from Mavis beacon. It would show you how to place your hands on the keyboard as you type which the bare minimum feature I consider when searching for typing software to recommend. Right now, It doesn't work properly on windows 10 because it is too old.
There is also https://www.typingclub.com/ which is also a good site but it is riddled by ads (removable by paying of course) and requires you to create an account.
I wish if there was an open-source alternative which is either a terminal or web-based version that also shows how to place hands on the keyboard.
There is also https://www.typingclub.com/ which is also a good site but it is riddled by ads (removable by paying of course) and requires you to create an account.
I wish if there was an open-source alternative which is either a terminal or web-based version that also shows how to place hands on the keyboard.
As usual, that will depend a lot on your current typing technique and speed.
I learned touch typing on an electric typewriter at school decades ago so I don't really remember how it is to not know how to do it.
This is what I did to learn typing Dvorak well AFTER I left school:
- I used laminated piece of paper with the layout of the keyboard wedged between monitor and desk. This allowed me to see the keyboard layout without looking at the keyboard.
- I used programs to learn Dvorak
- I used metronome to learn to type constant stream of characters. Pressing shift registers as a single beat. This is not strictly necessary for typing speed but I really like the feel of producing characters this way. My colleagues say the sound is fantastic as if a machine was typing.
- I use only high quality mechanical keyboards with US international layout. I don't waste time on keyboards that have uneven action and don't register presses same way every time.
I learned touch typing on an electric typewriter at school decades ago so I don't really remember how it is to not know how to do it.
This is what I did to learn typing Dvorak well AFTER I left school:
- I used laminated piece of paper with the layout of the keyboard wedged between monitor and desk. This allowed me to see the keyboard layout without looking at the keyboard.
- I used programs to learn Dvorak
- I used metronome to learn to type constant stream of characters. Pressing shift registers as a single beat. This is not strictly necessary for typing speed but I really like the feel of producing characters this way. My colleagues say the sound is fantastic as if a machine was typing.
- I use only high quality mechanical keyboards with US international layout. I don't waste time on keyboards that have uneven action and don't register presses same way every time.
This is great for people who want to improve their speed but also already know how to touch type.
In the past three months, I've used these typing game websites and increased my average typing speed from around 80 WPM to 100 WPM.
Some other typing games are 10fastfingers [0] and typerush [1].
If you don't already know how to touch type (i.e. you currently use two fingers to chicken peck), it's best to break that habit by learning to touch type.
[0]: https://10fastfingers.com/
[1]: https://www.typerush.com/
In the past three months, I've used these typing game websites and increased my average typing speed from around 80 WPM to 100 WPM.
Some other typing games are 10fastfingers [0] and typerush [1].
If you don't already know how to touch type (i.e. you currently use two fingers to chicken peck), it's best to break that habit by learning to touch type.
[0]: https://10fastfingers.com/
[1]: https://www.typerush.com/
First, you need good mechanical keyboard. Some people will advocate for specific models or switches, but you need to choose one by yourself by typing on it.
Second, you need to learn touch typing. There are some tips:
a) buy keyboard with blank keycaps;
b) if you can't buy such keyboard (you really should), try to pull out keycaps and randomly change their order;
c) put blanked or some non-transparent sheet over your hands.
Third, change keypress repeat interval rate and delay in your system. It will force you to hit keys quicker. If you're using linux, good starter is to run 'xset r rate 200 60'. It means 'start repeating key if it's pressed for more that 200ms and repeat it 60 times per second'. Then gradually decrease first number and increase second.
Some people will tell, that typing speed doesn't matter much, but that's not true. When you get into the flow, you're stopping thinking verbally and starting to think in entire code blocks. It's crucial to not be hindered by keyboard in that case.
And remember, it should be uncomfortable at first. Otherwise, there will be no progress.
Second, you need to learn touch typing. There are some tips:
a) buy keyboard with blank keycaps;
b) if you can't buy such keyboard (you really should), try to pull out keycaps and randomly change their order;
c) put blanked or some non-transparent sheet over your hands.
Third, change keypress repeat interval rate and delay in your system. It will force you to hit keys quicker. If you're using linux, good starter is to run 'xset r rate 200 60'. It means 'start repeating key if it's pressed for more that 200ms and repeat it 60 times per second'. Then gradually decrease first number and increase second.
Some people will tell, that typing speed doesn't matter much, but that's not true. When you get into the flow, you're stopping thinking verbally and starting to think in entire code blocks. It's crucial to not be hindered by keyboard in that case.
And remember, it should be uncomfortable at first. Otherwise, there will be no progress.
I'd agree with going with blank keycaps or similar. I learned to touch type in Jr HS, so my typing wasn't terrible. But I definitely had some bad habits. One that I particularly wanted to unlearn was I always looked at keys when typing numbers and somewhat less the corresponding symbols. Plus a few other small ones.
My beloved thinkpad keyboard died one day, and I decided to finally try a fancy-schmancy mechanical keyboard. I spent a long time working on a laptop as my primary box, and didn't want to carry another keyboard, so I just stuck with ThinkPad.
I spent a couple weeks feeling like I couldn't type, to varying, diminishing degrees. But I really focused on doing the right thing rather than the fast thing.
Now I'm super happy I did spend that time on it. I love my mechanical keyboard, but it wasn't necessary to improve my typing. Though there are a number of benefits I do see because of it's ability to be programmed. I have a bunch of custom settings on it just for my workflows.
My beloved thinkpad keyboard died one day, and I decided to finally try a fancy-schmancy mechanical keyboard. I spent a long time working on a laptop as my primary box, and didn't want to carry another keyboard, so I just stuck with ThinkPad.
I spent a couple weeks feeling like I couldn't type, to varying, diminishing degrees. But I really focused on doing the right thing rather than the fast thing.
Now I'm super happy I did spend that time on it. I love my mechanical keyboard, but it wasn't necessary to improve my typing. Though there are a number of benefits I do see because of it's ability to be programmed. I have a bunch of custom settings on it just for my workflows.
"First, you need good mechanical keyboard."
No, you don't.
"a) buy keyboard with blank keycaps;"
No need. Just don't look at the keys while typing.
"b) if you can't buy such keyboard (you really should), try to pull out keycaps and randomly change their order;"
No need. Just don't look at the keys while typing.
"c) put blanked or some non-transparent sheet over your hands."
No need. Just don't look at the keys while typing.
For real, there is no need to complicate things. Just start out slow and you'll gradually increase your typing speed as you go as long as you're touch typing.
No, you don't.
"a) buy keyboard with blank keycaps;"
No need. Just don't look at the keys while typing.
"b) if you can't buy such keyboard (you really should), try to pull out keycaps and randomly change their order;"
No need. Just don't look at the keys while typing.
"c) put blanked or some non-transparent sheet over your hands."
No need. Just don't look at the keys while typing.
For real, there is no need to complicate things. Just start out slow and you'll gradually increase your typing speed as you go as long as you're touch typing.
For me this really helped my typing speed. Like more then doubled.
https://www.gnu.org/software/gtypist/
It's a cli but once you get into it it's really a great experience. It will take you all the way from where to put your fingers onto typing so fast your like someone out of Hackers
It's a cli but once you get into it it's really a great experience. It will take you all the way from where to put your fingers onto typing so fast your like someone out of Hackers
For the record I regularly hit speeds of >140wpm on 10fastfingers https://10fastfingers.com/user/1725123/ and typeracer https://data.typeracer.com/pit/profile?user=richivinsky
I switched to Dvorak about 15 years ago, and while I’m not going to advocate switching, I would like to provide one point of view.
I switched in high school for all the reasons people switch the Dvorak. Before switching, my QWERTY avg was around 60. Switching allowed me to relearn touch typing with a clean slate.
Now, 15 years later, I still regularly use QWERTY and Dvorak. But the contexts are different. I use QWERTY on my phone when typing with my thumbs, and Dvorak on my keyboard.
Recently I did an experiment with myself where I replaced all the keys on my keyboard with blank keycaps. Then I tried playing typeracer with a QWERTY layout. As expected, I consistently scored around ~40wpm.
However, if I allowed myself to look at the BLANK keycaps, it’s like a switch triggered in my brain and I was able to consistently type around ~60wpm. It’s like the visual input unlocked something in my brain.
When I type Dvorak, I use proper form, and don’t rely on the visual signals. I believe that because of this, my fingers have had to learn more deeply the shapes of the words as I type them.
One thing which I do is to type words up to about 7 characters as a single fluid motion. For longer words, I subconsciously chunk them into smaller parts, and type each of those parts in a single motion.
So my suggestions is to block all visual signals in whatever layout you use, and allow your fingers to develop a deep intuition about the shapes of words. Typing with proper form will definitely help, but the fastest typists in the world typically don’t use proper form. They just have really good accuracy.
Finally, I don’t think the physical keyboard matters that much. I would not recommend dropping >$150 on a fancy keyboard in order to practice typing faster. I use a fancy keyboard because I like fancy keyboards and how they feel, but that has very little impact on my typing speeds. I can be equally competitive with most off the shelf membrane and scissor switch keyboards.
I switched to Dvorak about 15 years ago, and while I’m not going to advocate switching, I would like to provide one point of view.
I switched in high school for all the reasons people switch the Dvorak. Before switching, my QWERTY avg was around 60. Switching allowed me to relearn touch typing with a clean slate.
Now, 15 years later, I still regularly use QWERTY and Dvorak. But the contexts are different. I use QWERTY on my phone when typing with my thumbs, and Dvorak on my keyboard.
Recently I did an experiment with myself where I replaced all the keys on my keyboard with blank keycaps. Then I tried playing typeracer with a QWERTY layout. As expected, I consistently scored around ~40wpm.
However, if I allowed myself to look at the BLANK keycaps, it’s like a switch triggered in my brain and I was able to consistently type around ~60wpm. It’s like the visual input unlocked something in my brain.
When I type Dvorak, I use proper form, and don’t rely on the visual signals. I believe that because of this, my fingers have had to learn more deeply the shapes of the words as I type them.
One thing which I do is to type words up to about 7 characters as a single fluid motion. For longer words, I subconsciously chunk them into smaller parts, and type each of those parts in a single motion.
So my suggestions is to block all visual signals in whatever layout you use, and allow your fingers to develop a deep intuition about the shapes of words. Typing with proper form will definitely help, but the fastest typists in the world typically don’t use proper form. They just have really good accuracy.
Finally, I don’t think the physical keyboard matters that much. I would not recommend dropping >$150 on a fancy keyboard in order to practice typing faster. I use a fancy keyboard because I like fancy keyboards and how they feel, but that has very little impact on my typing speeds. I can be equally competitive with most off the shelf membrane and scissor switch keyboards.
In what way(s) do they deviate from proper form?
It’s hard to say really, each person does things differently. Some people consider their pinkies too weak and only use the stronger three fingers.
I saw one video of a guy with a bone problem who was actually able use his thumbs to hit speeds in excess of 190.
Sometimes people will type properly but shift the home position depending on the word. I’ve even seen some people use 5 fingers on their left hand and one finger on their right hand.... quite astounding really.
One thing all of them have in common, which is excellent accuracy.
I saw one video of a guy with a bone problem who was actually able use his thumbs to hit speeds in excess of 190.
Sometimes people will type properly but shift the home position depending on the word. I’ve even seen some people use 5 fingers on their left hand and one finger on their right hand.... quite astounding really.
One thing all of them have in common, which is excellent accuracy.
Trying to use your smallest finger to get all of the programming-relevant punctuation isn't going to make you happy as a programmer. I tend to just shift my hand over and alternate my ring and pinky fingers for the -=[]\;'./ keys.
That's a good point. I know I definitely do that for the -= keys... but then again, my proper form breaks down for the top row of the keyboard. That's my biggest weakness by far. For ,./;'[]\ I would argue that you should be able to use the proper finger just fine.
Also, fun fact, Dvorak has one major flaw if you are a CLI addict like I am. The command "ls -l" is typed entirely with the right pinky finger. If you want to know what it feels like on a qwerty keyboard, then simulate it by typing "p; 'p"
I struggled with this combination a lot, but eventually I drilled it into my fingers, and now I can type it totally naturally.
Also, fun fact, Dvorak has one major flaw if you are a CLI addict like I am. The command "ls -l" is typed entirely with the right pinky finger. If you want to know what it feels like on a qwerty keyboard, then simulate it by typing "p; 'p"
I struggled with this combination a lot, but eventually I drilled it into my fingers, and now I can type it totally naturally.
Here's a jaw-dropping video of Hunter Shaffer typing >200wpm for 60 seconds despite not using "proper" technique: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1GrOhwPryAs
The best thing I did was go from decent typing by knowing learned patterns (but having to look at the keyboard most of the time), to learning home key typing.
I did this in year 9 at school and my typing speed went down for about a month whilst re-learning.
The idea is you rest your fingers on asdf jkl; and to type a letter, raise the appropriate finger up or down.
Typing programs will teach you quickly by practicing the home keys then adding letters one by one like ‘e’ and ‘i’.
The biggest improvement comes because you don’t need to look at the keyboard. Your efficiency in overall computing tasks increases, then your typing speed rapidly overtakes your old style.
After a while you learn patterns of words so you aren’t always moving a finger off the home key and back like a robot. This is when you get really fast.
Always return to the home keys by feeling for the little bumps on the ‘f’ and ‘j’ keys.
I used to lay in bed at night practicing typing simple words with my brain. I’m sure this helped considerably.
It’s the best thing I ever self learned. Well worth the month of slower typing as my entire adult life typing has been a breeze.
I did this in year 9 at school and my typing speed went down for about a month whilst re-learning.
The idea is you rest your fingers on asdf jkl; and to type a letter, raise the appropriate finger up or down.
Typing programs will teach you quickly by practicing the home keys then adding letters one by one like ‘e’ and ‘i’.
The biggest improvement comes because you don’t need to look at the keyboard. Your efficiency in overall computing tasks increases, then your typing speed rapidly overtakes your old style.
After a while you learn patterns of words so you aren’t always moving a finger off the home key and back like a robot. This is when you get really fast.
Always return to the home keys by feeling for the little bumps on the ‘f’ and ‘j’ keys.
I used to lay in bed at night practicing typing simple words with my brain. I’m sure this helped considerably.
It’s the best thing I ever self learned. Well worth the month of slower typing as my entire adult life typing has been a breeze.
It depends how fast you want to get. You need both skills and good keyboard. You can't type FAST with an average keyboard that doesn't register keys as fast as you can type.
With standard Qwerty touch-typing fingers position, you can build up to 85-95wpm easily. You need a lot of practice to build the muscle memory. You can learn basics in Typingclub.com and then you need a lot more practice in communities like typeracer.com.
If you want to get faster than that, you have to use advanced methods that competitive typist use which is fundamentally very similar to standard touch typing positions but slight difference to make it more efficient.
Different keyboard layouts have the same story. But you could also switch to Dvorak. It does theoretically give you speed boost while it puts less stress on your fingers.
If you don't want to become a competitive typist, better to not go above ~65wpm. You can really hurt your fingers without having proper exercises. You probably don't need more than that in regular jobs either.
With standard Qwerty touch-typing fingers position, you can build up to 85-95wpm easily. You need a lot of practice to build the muscle memory. You can learn basics in Typingclub.com and then you need a lot more practice in communities like typeracer.com.
If you want to get faster than that, you have to use advanced methods that competitive typist use which is fundamentally very similar to standard touch typing positions but slight difference to make it more efficient.
Different keyboard layouts have the same story. But you could also switch to Dvorak. It does theoretically give you speed boost while it puts less stress on your fingers.
If you don't want to become a competitive typist, better to not go above ~65wpm. You can really hurt your fingers without having proper exercises. You probably don't need more than that in regular jobs either.
Going above 65 WPM will not cause injuries.
Yeah. I type 65-75 wpm. No injuries. However, I only type that speed for short bouts. Emails, notes, planning documents. Typically, I am not typing. When coding, my limit is not my typing speed; it is my thinking through the problem and how to design and test the solution.
Switching to colemak didn't make me any faster at typing compared to hunt and peck, but it did make it much more comfortable
Switch to an ortholinear keyboard like [the Preonic from OLKB][1]
These designs reduce motion (speed) and are uniformly laid out (accuracy) which is crucial because typing faster alone is not enough
[1]: https://drop.com/buy/preonic-mechanical-keyboard
These designs reduce motion (speed) and are uniformly laid out (accuracy) which is crucial because typing faster alone is not enough
[1]: https://drop.com/buy/preonic-mechanical-keyboard
I switched and went from 110 wpm to 60, and have been stuck there for the past four months. Would not recommend if speed is your goal.
Ortholinear isn't necessarily better. I have a Plank collecting dust in my drawer. These designs are not anatomically better shaped than the standard staggered keyboard.
I have a Planck EZ. Thought it would make me faster since num pads are linear and I'm super fast on those. However, it's the switching between staggered and linear really dragged me down.
An ortholinear split keyboard is better (it's easier to rotate either half without the normal key stagger getting awkward), but I don't see any reason to buy a Plank.
I have two Ergodashes [1], one for home and one for the office.
It's also not going to increase typing speed. Learning to touch-type can do that, but 99% of the gain from changing the physical keyboard layout (ortholinear / split etc) or logical keyboard layout (Dvorak, Coleman etc) are for typing comfort.
[1] https://github.com/omkbd/ErgoDash
I have two Ergodashes [1], one for home and one for the office.
It's also not going to increase typing speed. Learning to touch-type can do that, but 99% of the gain from changing the physical keyboard layout (ortholinear / split etc) or logical keyboard layout (Dvorak, Coleman etc) are for typing comfort.
[1] https://github.com/omkbd/ErgoDash
Of course, a split keyboard with offset columns is something else. The parent comment specifically mentioned Preonic and OLKB. As for the Plank, the claim is that it reduces finger movements, but in reality it is just cramped and puts your writs and fingers in an awkward position. The only thing I liked about it is the layers, but then getting used to that just threw me off when using the standard layout.
Between my old made-up typing style (left hand hit over half the board, hit x with thumb, few other weird bits), learning homerow, learning to type on ortholinear keyboards, and learning dvorak, I've found it works well to use one of those sites that has you type various letters to get used to them, then once you're comfortable, move to something like 10fastfingers to grind speed. Practice daily. It's pretty fun for me, which makes it easier. I hit 160wpm (peak not average, pulled it off only twice) at my best before learning homerow. Never quite made it back. I'm also a bit slower with dvorak now, but maybe I can get up again someday. I'm around 115-120wpm these days which is pretty passable, but I do miss the absolute joy of typing as fast as I could and really pushing my limits.
Practice practice practice.
More obviously, you can't type faster than you can think. Take the effort to prepare your thoughts. Develop a flow for your stream of consciousness. Typing on the fly requires a kind of cadence and rhythm that only comes with developing a proper form.
Honestly best advice is just get a keyboard you're comfortable with. I'm quite fond of my WASD keyboard. The sticky keys on my MacBook Pro just don't cut it.
I learned through doing runs of Mario Teaches Typing so fast that the computer struggled to render frames.
My typing speed's gone down, substantially over the years. I think that's a good thing. I think slower. I pause before I speak. I try to say more with less words. I've also picked up a weird habit of using only my index finger for my right hand but my WPM is still around 100.
More obviously, you can't type faster than you can think. Take the effort to prepare your thoughts. Develop a flow for your stream of consciousness. Typing on the fly requires a kind of cadence and rhythm that only comes with developing a proper form.
Honestly best advice is just get a keyboard you're comfortable with. I'm quite fond of my WASD keyboard. The sticky keys on my MacBook Pro just don't cut it.
I learned through doing runs of Mario Teaches Typing so fast that the computer struggled to render frames.
My typing speed's gone down, substantially over the years. I think that's a good thing. I think slower. I pause before I speak. I try to say more with less words. I've also picked up a weird habit of using only my index finger for my right hand but my WPM is still around 100.
> Practice practice practice.
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> Honestly best advice is just get a keyboard you're comfortable with.
Exactly that. My typing improved extremely by typing a lot, although I'm not sure if it's necessary to know every single keyboard character by heart. And of course the keyboard must be comfortable. I think everybody has different preferences though. Personally I used to like ergonomic keyboards but at the moment I'm really comfortable with the Apple butterfly keyboard ;-)
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> Honestly best advice is just get a keyboard you're comfortable with.
Exactly that. My typing improved extremely by typing a lot, although I'm not sure if it's necessary to know every single keyboard character by heart. And of course the keyboard must be comfortable. I think everybody has different preferences though. Personally I used to like ergonomic keyboards but at the moment I'm really comfortable with the Apple butterfly keyboard ;-)
Bear in mind if you're a programmer that touted learning resources that don't include symbol keys are of limited use. There are many speedy human-language typists who have to peer at the keyboard every time they encounter a tilde or Fn key.
I'd also add: only make this a priority if you don't already touch type. If you do, your speed will be adequate, and you'll gain more by adding higher-level tools to your arsenal (refactoring, structural editing, etc). It's sad that in 2020 we're still largely 'editing text' when programming, but careful use of IntelliJ or emacs (amongst others) can often lift the mechanics up a conceptual notch or three.
I'd also add: only make this a priority if you don't already touch type. If you do, your speed will be adequate, and you'll gain more by adding higher-level tools to your arsenal (refactoring, structural editing, etc). It's sad that in 2020 we're still largely 'editing text' when programming, but careful use of IntelliJ or emacs (amongst others) can often lift the mechanics up a conceptual notch or three.
Proper touch typing technique. Go slow at first and just practice and practice to build up speed. Like practicing the guitar, slow focused practice will pay dividends later. Good web site for touch typing is typingclub.com.
One of the things that helped me the most was moving to the Dvorak keyboard. Dvorak lets me type at a higher speed, with less mistakes, and most important of all: with no hand cramping.
As for public/other computers that I don't get to configure: I found that I never really lost any speed on Qwerty. Whether that's the norm or I got lucky, I am not sure. Also, I find Dvorak to be available on most systems where the user can configure their input settings. Windows, Mac, and most Linux has Dvorak support built-in that are as easy to add as if you were adding another locale's keyboard layout.
As for public/other computers that I don't get to configure: I found that I never really lost any speed on Qwerty. Whether that's the norm or I got lucky, I am not sure. Also, I find Dvorak to be available on most systems where the user can configure their input settings. Windows, Mac, and most Linux has Dvorak support built-in that are as easy to add as if you were adding another locale's keyboard layout.
I switched to Colemak and definitely noticed far less movement in my fingers when typing. When learning, switching back to Qwerty after spending time on Colemak I felt like my fingers were big flags waving around in the wind.
However, now several years after switching, I'm still not faster than I was before I switched from Qwerty. (On typeracer.com going between 100 and 120wpm.) I'm also distinctly crippled now when trying to type on someone else's Qwerty keyboard.
Still probably a good move from an RSI standpoint; just be aware before you go into it.
However, now several years after switching, I'm still not faster than I was before I switched from Qwerty. (On typeracer.com going between 100 and 120wpm.) I'm also distinctly crippled now when trying to type on someone else's Qwerty keyboard.
Still probably a good move from an RSI standpoint; just be aware before you go into it.
Play a game where typing is required to communicate. Never took any formal typing courses just started playing a lot of EverQuest back in the day. There wasn't voice chat at the time and the gameplay requires a lot of quick communication with your team. Can easily touch type 100+ wpm (according to typeracer.com) now. It's very motivating to be able to type well when you must to communicate and you have something you really really want to communicate via typing (such as communicating with your team via typing in a fast pace game)
This should be the top post.
IMO, voice chat ubiquity and smartphones has made zoomers crappy typists, compared to millennials.
IMO, voice chat ubiquity and smartphones has made zoomers crappy typists, compared to millennials.
The biggest gain for me came from using a split keyboard. I had some bad habits where my dominant hand was crossing the keyboard to hit keys that my non-dominant one should have been hitting, and this was impacting my speed. By using a split keyboard, it forced my hands in to the correct posture and didn't allow one hand to dominate because the other side of the keyboard was too far away.
I was tracking my progress on typera.net, which is quite dated, but seems to have a nice balance of challenging words and phrases.
I was tracking my progress on typera.net, which is quite dated, but seems to have a nice balance of challenging words and phrases.
I've been going over this thread wanting to comment on damn near everything, I think I'll make a blog post.
In short, you nailed it. But forgot to mention abusing the power that QMK gives you for reducing reach/key stretch.
In short, you nailed it. But forgot to mention abusing the power that QMK gives you for reducing reach/key stretch.
Concerted practice. It doesn't matter what you do, as long as you practice purposefully consistently.
As mentioned typeracer.com is great, there's also 10fastfingers.com as well.
Are you a touch typist?
As mentioned typeracer.com is great, there's also 10fastfingers.com as well.
Are you a touch typist?
To add to this, make sure you do a varety of sites and source texts.
Try transcribing articles as you read them.
Try transcribing articles as you read them.
Learn to touch type. Don't look at the keyboard, just read what you are typing. Some touch typing tutors are good for the exercises. Just like learning the scales on a piano.
I do a lot of sysadmin work so I stick with QWERTY layout because it is everywhere. I did try Dvorak and split keyboards, didn't find any speed gain. Probably due to the fact that I learnt to touch type QWERTY on typewriters without white-out.
I do a lot of sysadmin work so I stick with QWERTY layout because it is everywhere. I did try Dvorak and split keyboards, didn't find any speed gain. Probably due to the fact that I learnt to touch type QWERTY on typewriters without white-out.
A lot of high effort responses here (practice, training, new keyboards, etc).
Everyone I know learned to type very fast by pc gaming MMOs. WoW or other games force you to ‘practice’ a few hours a day, get extremely in tune with your keyboard, type the same few sentences thousands of times, and type short sentences extremely quickly. Short term a wow addiction is bad for your life, but you do gain exceptional keyboard skills.
Everyone I know learned to type very fast by pc gaming MMOs. WoW or other games force you to ‘practice’ a few hours a day, get extremely in tune with your keyboard, type the same few sentences thousands of times, and type short sentences extremely quickly. Short term a wow addiction is bad for your life, but you do gain exceptional keyboard skills.
It's not as much of a forcing factor as it used to be, a lot of the MMOs now have systems that mean you barely have to talk at all. I think you would probably have to join a guild which has active chatter on Discord to find the communication from a few years ago.
This. Gemstone III and Dragonrealms and countless other MUDs when I was younger got me around 90wpm at near 100% accuracy. It is shocking how fast you improve when you are in combat against multiple critters and need to micromanage your attacks.
Incidentally, scripting for Dragonrealms was one of my first memories of really hacking together somewhat complex logic for travel and skill training.
Incidentally, scripting for Dragonrealms was one of my first memories of really hacking together somewhat complex logic for travel and skill training.
Are there any competitive typers here? I touch type around 105 WPM, peaking sometimes at 140. I'd like to get faster into the range of 200-300 as I see other people typing at on leaderboards, but I don't know what I should do. Should I switch away from QWERTY? Should I use a different type of keyboard? Should I be doing any mental tricks or is it just raw practice?
See my response here: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=22610590
You should be using steno or some kind of briefing system. I hang out in the plover discord and bunch of the people there are over 150 on a slow day.
Just need to ditch character based input, it's not easy though.
Just need to ditch character based input, it's not easy though.
I played through Epistory (find it on Steam) a couple of times and my typing speed improved. I didn't really have to try that hard and playing the game is pretty enjoyable. The same studio has another one that's a similar style (Nanotale). I haven't played it, but if it's anywhere near the quality of Epistory, it will have been money well spent.
I recently switched key layouts and learned to properly touch type at the same time using keybr.com and a game called Typing of the Dead
The Typing of the Dead (tutorial mode) is how I learnt touch typing.
Also, you can selectively scramble the keycaps of your keyboard : way cheaper than getting a Das, but as efficient!
Also, you can selectively scramble the keycaps of your keyboard : way cheaper than getting a Das, but as efficient!
I wrote a post about it in 2013: http://petrustheron.com/posts/how-to-type-fast.html
Key takeaway is to focus on accuracy, then speed. When you hit 95% accuracy, push on speed. Remap Caps Lock to Backspace.
Key takeaway is to focus on accuracy, then speed. When you hit 95% accuracy, push on speed. Remap Caps Lock to Backspace.
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http://www.speedcoder.net/ is a good resource for improving programming type speed. You practice on actual source code for a variety of languages.
There are some fun type racing games online that I love playing at hackathons. I bet if you played them for a few minutes, where you’re typing text as quickly as possible to race others online, you’d improve your speed!
I learned using this program: https://solo.nabiraem.ru/en/
I remapped many keys, use space as a function key, all programmed in hammerspoon.
As a consequence, I had to learn to touch-type.
As of now, I am slower than before, but there is hope ;)
As a consequence, I had to learn to touch-type.
As of now, I am slower than before, but there is hope ;)
My opinion is that past a certain threshold, it really doesn't matter. Knowing what to write is almost always more of a challenge than actually writing it. In most cases you will get better returns by finding ways to distill your thoughts more efficiently.
How exactly you do that... I'm not sure. But I think it's true.
How exactly you do that... I'm not sure. But I think it's true.
Hmm, faster? Not for me. I think I can introduce bugs fast enough. It would be better to slow down and think more. :-)
keybr seems to be the best resource for me. It tracks what you're doing wrong and gives you buttons around that. There's less fluff and gamification. You can also practice punctuation, whuch is where many programmers have trouble.
https://typing.io was made specifically for programmers. It has helped me increase my accuracy and speed.
I tried that, but unlike keybr, it doesn't focus enough on my weaknesses. The programmer context also makes me uneasy because it messes with my autocomplete muscle memory.
Use a mech keyboard.
Probably some misses are because poor registering and not because you.
Probably some misses are because poor registering and not because you.
If you're ok to use an app on Ubuntu, I'd recommend klavaro
Mavis Beacon Teaches Typing?
Play a MUD?
Play a MUD?
I've played MUDs for decades. Spamming "k monster", "st", and "i" doesn't really make you faster at typing anything other than those letters. I'd still miss frequently on ; {} () and [], as well as capital letters. It'll train your skill writing macros more than typing.
The MU stands for multi-user. Maybe talk to the other people more?
Pay attention to form first, don't get carpal tunnel
Colemak and Ktouch worked pretty well for me.
Mapping backspace to right command and swapping ';' and RET have been a complete game changer for me.
Most people don't think about the cost the extra 300 ms it takes to hit the regular backspace key, but given the frequency that you use it, it really adds up. Ditto for RET. Try it. And read this XKCD comic: https://xkcd.com/1205/
Most people don't think about the cost the extra 300 ms it takes to hit the regular backspace key, but given the frequency that you use it, it really adds up. Ditto for RET. Try it. And read this XKCD comic: https://xkcd.com/1205/
https://xkcd.com/1806/ is more relevant for you :-)
But more seriously, if you're using an external keyboard you could look into buying one with thumb keys.
I have alt, backspace, control, enter and space at my thumbtips:
http://www.keyboard-layout-editor.com/#/gists/501437fce9123e...
But more seriously, if you're using an external keyboard you could look into buying one with thumb keys.
I have alt, backspace, control, enter and space at my thumbtips:
http://www.keyboard-layout-editor.com/#/gists/501437fce9123e...
typeracer.com has done wonders for my typing speed.
1) If you can't already ten figure touch type, then learn that. (Plenty of resources already recommended in other comments.)
2) Use an ergonomic split keyboard of some sort so your posture is much more relaxed and you're not hunched up trying to type on a straight keyboard.
Those two things will get you a long way. You can worry about other productivity improvements after that, but honestly I think they will be incremental once you've done the above.
Other fast gimme. Remap the capslock key to something useful but usually more awkward to reach. I've remapped it to ctrl, but considering switching to esc as I'm a vim user. Mind you, I've also got a FS3-P USB Triple Foot Switch Pedal under the desk with one of them mapped to esc, so not so urgent there. I wouldn't go remapping too much else otherwise it'll trip you up too much whenever you're at someone else's keyboard.
I learnt to touch-type in 1986 on a mechanical typewriter in school. I knew I was going to work with computers and so knew touch typing would be a valuable skill. I was the only male in the class as everyone else perceived it as a class for women looking to go into secretarial work.
I am absolutely amazed that touch typing is no longer taught in school in this age of ubiquitous computing.
As far as split keyboards, I love my MS Natural Ergonomics 4000. If I could get one with the number pad cut off (less reach for the mouse) it would be perfect. They do tend to last and last which is good as they're getting harder to find when one finally breaks. I've tried the MS Sculpt but I find the mushy esc key a real drawback (again, vim user). Overall just not especially nice to type on. I also do use the function keys and the extra media keys on the 4000 a fair bit, so missed them on the sculpt.
One of the advantages of vim is you can do almost all the editing without having to move your hands from the keyboard. You don't event have to move to the arrow keys as you can use hjkl for movement. Once learnt, it can be very efficient.
If I hand the time and energy, I would consider learning the Colemak layout. Given vi is hardwired into my brain by now I suspect it would make Dvorak too awkward.
Funny story. Once you can touch-type, you learn to unconsciously position your hands properly by feeling for the little marks on the J and F keys. When I worked in Japan, they didn't have these marks and I was forever drifting my hands over they keyboard until getting annoyed and having to look down to put my hands on the right row. You don't realise how many times a day you rely on that.
It wasn't until one of the locals pointed out to me that the curve of the J and F keys was deeper than the other keys on their keyboard that that particular stressor was solved. I learned to feel for that instead.
2) Use an ergonomic split keyboard of some sort so your posture is much more relaxed and you're not hunched up trying to type on a straight keyboard.
Those two things will get you a long way. You can worry about other productivity improvements after that, but honestly I think they will be incremental once you've done the above.
Other fast gimme. Remap the capslock key to something useful but usually more awkward to reach. I've remapped it to ctrl, but considering switching to esc as I'm a vim user. Mind you, I've also got a FS3-P USB Triple Foot Switch Pedal under the desk with one of them mapped to esc, so not so urgent there. I wouldn't go remapping too much else otherwise it'll trip you up too much whenever you're at someone else's keyboard.
I learnt to touch-type in 1986 on a mechanical typewriter in school. I knew I was going to work with computers and so knew touch typing would be a valuable skill. I was the only male in the class as everyone else perceived it as a class for women looking to go into secretarial work.
I am absolutely amazed that touch typing is no longer taught in school in this age of ubiquitous computing.
As far as split keyboards, I love my MS Natural Ergonomics 4000. If I could get one with the number pad cut off (less reach for the mouse) it would be perfect. They do tend to last and last which is good as they're getting harder to find when one finally breaks. I've tried the MS Sculpt but I find the mushy esc key a real drawback (again, vim user). Overall just not especially nice to type on. I also do use the function keys and the extra media keys on the 4000 a fair bit, so missed them on the sculpt.
One of the advantages of vim is you can do almost all the editing without having to move your hands from the keyboard. You don't event have to move to the arrow keys as you can use hjkl for movement. Once learnt, it can be very efficient.
If I hand the time and energy, I would consider learning the Colemak layout. Given vi is hardwired into my brain by now I suspect it would make Dvorak too awkward.
Funny story. Once you can touch-type, you learn to unconsciously position your hands properly by feeling for the little marks on the J and F keys. When I worked in Japan, they didn't have these marks and I was forever drifting my hands over they keyboard until getting annoyed and having to look down to put my hands on the right row. You don't realise how many times a day you rely on that.
It wasn't until one of the locals pointed out to me that the curve of the J and F keys was deeper than the other keys on their keyboard that that particular stressor was solved. I learned to feel for that instead.