Ask HN: How to get good at social media?
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In the offline world, much of what "trends" is stuff that hacks people's reward system.
E.g., high-fructose corn syrup, french fries, nicotine, slot machines.
It's bad for us long term, but satisfies our evolved physiological needs in the short term.
Most of the trending content on social media is the same, and much of modern news and commerce has adapted to it.
From what you've said, you're trying to win at the same game, against people/companies who are far more experienced, skilled, resourced and cynical than you.
The answer: don't play that game.
Find a small niche of people you can satisfy with earnestly good quality content.
Think really small - like, 5-10 people, who you can get to know personally and whose interests you can address really really well.
Then grow gradually.
It will seem painfully slow at first, but with a consistent effort over a long enough period of time, you can achieve exponential growth and eventually build a huge audience that really cares about what you have to offer.
One of the best people to follow for guidance on how to do this is Seth Godin. Follow his daily blogs/emails, and read his books, particularly Linchpin, Permission Marketing, Purple Cow and The Dip.
Simon Sinek is another person worth paying attention to.
E.g., high-fructose corn syrup, french fries, nicotine, slot machines.
It's bad for us long term, but satisfies our evolved physiological needs in the short term.
Most of the trending content on social media is the same, and much of modern news and commerce has adapted to it.
From what you've said, you're trying to win at the same game, against people/companies who are far more experienced, skilled, resourced and cynical than you.
The answer: don't play that game.
Find a small niche of people you can satisfy with earnestly good quality content.
Think really small - like, 5-10 people, who you can get to know personally and whose interests you can address really really well.
Then grow gradually.
It will seem painfully slow at first, but with a consistent effort over a long enough period of time, you can achieve exponential growth and eventually build a huge audience that really cares about what you have to offer.
One of the best people to follow for guidance on how to do this is Seth Godin. Follow his daily blogs/emails, and read his books, particularly Linchpin, Permission Marketing, Purple Cow and The Dip.
Simon Sinek is another person worth paying attention to.
> It will seem painfully slow at first, but with a consistent effort over a long enough period of time, you can achieve exponential growth
This is the part most people don't get. A great example is Jonny Giger. He's a skateboarder most people have never heard of. He's pro, has his own youtube channel which now has around 380K followers. He rides for a company most people have never heard of called Revive.
He basically hacked the entire industry. His first pro video part was just released a few months ago. He's been creating his videos for EIGHT YEARS to grow his audience, and do it his own way. Because of the revenue he makes on his channel, he literally has no need for big corporate sponsors, or to constantly put on insane video parts or do well in contests to stay relevant like most pro's have to do these days.
He puts up regular content about learning tricks and revisiting old tricks that haven't been done in a long time. He has a whole series where he's just trying to learn some of Rodney Mullen's hardest tricks. In my mind, he's a legit pro and is a really skilled skater. The cool thing is he's done it completely on his own, instead of taking the normal route. Yes, it can be done, but it didn't happen over night did it? No, it didn't. It was dogged persistence on his part and sticking with something I'm sure people told him was impossible, or wasn't going to happen.
As insular as the skateboard industry is, I'm glad there are guys out there like Jonny getting it done on their own terms.
This is the part most people don't get. A great example is Jonny Giger. He's a skateboarder most people have never heard of. He's pro, has his own youtube channel which now has around 380K followers. He rides for a company most people have never heard of called Revive.
He basically hacked the entire industry. His first pro video part was just released a few months ago. He's been creating his videos for EIGHT YEARS to grow his audience, and do it his own way. Because of the revenue he makes on his channel, he literally has no need for big corporate sponsors, or to constantly put on insane video parts or do well in contests to stay relevant like most pro's have to do these days.
He puts up regular content about learning tricks and revisiting old tricks that haven't been done in a long time. He has a whole series where he's just trying to learn some of Rodney Mullen's hardest tricks. In my mind, he's a legit pro and is a really skilled skater. The cool thing is he's done it completely on his own, instead of taking the normal route. Yes, it can be done, but it didn't happen over night did it? No, it didn't. It was dogged persistence on his part and sticking with something I'm sure people told him was impossible, or wasn't going to happen.
As insular as the skateboard industry is, I'm glad there are guys out there like Jonny getting it done on their own terms.
+1 for Jonny Giger mention. That guy is awesome.
> Find a small niche of people you can satisfy with earnestly good quality content.
To do that, you need to find what's the online place(s) where they meet (forums, FB groups, subreddit, blogs...) or even create one yourself
To do that, you need to find what's the online place(s) where they meet (forums, FB groups, subreddit, blogs...) or even create one yourself
If you are targeting 5-10 people (as suggested) you can easily create this space yourself.
But stay away from anything Sam Ovens. Jokes aside, it’s actually worth watching the free email list webinar. Watch until the end for a masterclass on the art of the hard sell. He spends 90% of the video tearing the customer apart and making them weak and responsive. It will likely make you feel even worse about sales but it’s probably effective.
Joshua/WOPR: A strange game. The only winning move is not to play. How about a nice game of chess?
Practice?
Seriously though, isn't this like everything? Stop trying to shortcut it and actually put in the work. The people that grew massively overnight are outliers. The other 99.9999% put in time and effort to cultivate the following they wanted.
What sort of audience do you want? What do they want to see? Put your ego aside, answer those questions, then create genuinely engaging content that ticks that box and isn't a rehash of every other account in the same niche. If you can't offer something different, why would I follow you instead of them?
Seriously though, isn't this like everything? Stop trying to shortcut it and actually put in the work. The people that grew massively overnight are outliers. The other 99.9999% put in time and effort to cultivate the following they wanted.
What sort of audience do you want? What do they want to see? Put your ego aside, answer those questions, then create genuinely engaging content that ticks that box and isn't a rehash of every other account in the same niche. If you can't offer something different, why would I follow you instead of them?
Yeah I get it. Found something to remove toxicity from my feed.
And sorry I can't give you an upvote because that would ruin the number. :)
Edit: someone ruined the number :(
And sorry I can't give you an upvote because that would ruin the number. :)
Edit: someone ruined the number :(
He's is basicaly telling you to have a niche.
Once you have that, you can now use a trickle down process that exposes you to the audience via local celebrities of the niche.
That's how things "blow up".
Once you have that, you can now use a trickle down process that exposes you to the audience via local celebrities of the niche.
That's how things "blow up".
Yeah, exactly.
Make a pair of canvas basketball boots covered in pictures of unicorns and sell them to the 200 people that are desperately in love with unicorns and have always wanted a pair of canvas basketball boots covered in them. Much easier (/cheaper!) than making a bad copy of a pair of Nike Jordan and trying to sell them to everyone already buying Jordan's.
In other words, start a small, high-engagement Instagram account that photoshops baseball caps and jerseys onto cats, then do something similar again and again, then start leveraging your audience into the more generic offerings after... You liked this, then try this as well.
Make a pair of canvas basketball boots covered in pictures of unicorns and sell them to the 200 people that are desperately in love with unicorns and have always wanted a pair of canvas basketball boots covered in them. Much easier (/cheaper!) than making a bad copy of a pair of Nike Jordan and trying to sell them to everyone already buying Jordan's.
In other words, start a small, high-engagement Instagram account that photoshops baseball caps and jerseys onto cats, then do something similar again and again, then start leveraging your audience into the more generic offerings after... You liked this, then try this as well.
I don't see numbers- one of us is the "control" ...
Same. I don't see vote counts, there's no downvote buttons, and no "report" or "flag" link anywhere on HN for me.
To flag, I think you can click the "X hours ago" - that's actually a link, and flagging will be an option if you look carefully. I know they were experimenting a long time ago (apparently still are) with making upvote counts invisible. It's been a long time. The idea of 7000 upvotes on a comment is an order of magnitude for what I've ever heard of.
These and other treats will arrive as you get higher karma levels.
A few things to consider:
Why do you want to get good at social media? You mention spamming tags and subscribing to things that they don't care about.
What is the outcome you want from this?
Getting a lot of likes/RTs? Getting a lot of followers?
If that's the outcome you want, then it sounds more like you want some form of community where you can feel appreciated or encouraged. Social Media is a vacuum of constant churn, and you won't find fulfillment there.
There are exceptions, but I strongly recommend thinking about what things you like to do and try to find your community in real life where the reward is so much higher.
Join a tabletop game club, take French cooking classes, go to some Yoga meetups.
I know now is not an opportune time to go out and meet people, but it's a hell of a lot healthier for your mind and body to be around real people when the time comes. Don't waste your time on social media right now. Build yourself up, learn something new, create something cool. If you get one of those things done, share it on social media if you want, and maybe you'll find some cool people who share your passions or interests.
Why do you want to get good at social media? You mention spamming tags and subscribing to things that they don't care about.
What is the outcome you want from this?
Getting a lot of likes/RTs? Getting a lot of followers?
If that's the outcome you want, then it sounds more like you want some form of community where you can feel appreciated or encouraged. Social Media is a vacuum of constant churn, and you won't find fulfillment there.
There are exceptions, but I strongly recommend thinking about what things you like to do and try to find your community in real life where the reward is so much higher.
Join a tabletop game club, take French cooking classes, go to some Yoga meetups.
I know now is not an opportune time to go out and meet people, but it's a hell of a lot healthier for your mind and body to be around real people when the time comes. Don't waste your time on social media right now. Build yourself up, learn something new, create something cool. If you get one of those things done, share it on social media if you want, and maybe you'll find some cool people who share your passions or interests.
People love to say stuff like this, but the truth is these things aren't mutually exclusive. Having a big network can help lead to opportunities to connect IRL. That (should be) the point of social media, or a big part of it.
Where it's really useful is in connecting together casual acquaintances, in a way that wasn't really possible before. If I meet someone IRL, I can friend them on Facebook, interact, see similar interests, and meet-up. Before, this was much harder. I couldn't see that this one person I had a great conversation a month ago with is really looking for people to play board games. It's easier to know that an old friend actually doesn't live that far from you now.
Obviously, there are issues with this (eg. MLM), and it doesn't always happen. However, Facebook at least, is clearly a useful tool. So I don't know what people are talking about when they say "don't social media, socialize IRL". Not necessarily what you were saying, and you were addressing specific statements from OP, but I thought this needed to be pointed out.
Where it's really useful is in connecting together casual acquaintances, in a way that wasn't really possible before. If I meet someone IRL, I can friend them on Facebook, interact, see similar interests, and meet-up. Before, this was much harder. I couldn't see that this one person I had a great conversation a month ago with is really looking for people to play board games. It's easier to know that an old friend actually doesn't live that far from you now.
Obviously, there are issues with this (eg. MLM), and it doesn't always happen. However, Facebook at least, is clearly a useful tool. So I don't know what people are talking about when they say "don't social media, socialize IRL". Not necessarily what you were saying, and you were addressing specific statements from OP, but I thought this needed to be pointed out.
No. I wouldn't use any popular social media if I could. It's for promotion of a project.
To expand on the problem, I have only once or twice susbcribed to an email listing. I consider all the other spam, irrelevant and Will never check them unless forced (some sites do even when you pay them) and other missed to opt out. I don't like seeing people spamming follow me or subscribe to me everywhere either. I know the functionality is there and I would if I want to. I don't care about most of what brands post? I don't want to see a corporate puppy in my feed. I don't want to know that you have a discount running and retweeting this will give a hypothetical chance of winning a giveaway if I have no need for the product. I don't consider businesses intrusive tracking and analytics everywhere ethical. I don't want to participate in signalling that businesses do. Most businesses need to make money and pretending they care more beyond is ughh. Most social media UX sucks. It's unintuitive to use and horrible (see twitter). I have the google paradox, if you can easily find it on google why do I need to share it to you? This is wrong pattern of thinking but this does make me tired mentally when posting something.
Obviously, the problem is entirely me
I keep trying but deep down, I don't even want to support the platform by engaging on them.
It just feels bad to have an ulterior motive behind posting a cute puppy pic.
To expand on the problem, I have only once or twice susbcribed to an email listing. I consider all the other spam, irrelevant and Will never check them unless forced (some sites do even when you pay them) and other missed to opt out. I don't like seeing people spamming follow me or subscribe to me everywhere either. I know the functionality is there and I would if I want to. I don't care about most of what brands post? I don't want to see a corporate puppy in my feed. I don't want to know that you have a discount running and retweeting this will give a hypothetical chance of winning a giveaway if I have no need for the product. I don't consider businesses intrusive tracking and analytics everywhere ethical. I don't want to participate in signalling that businesses do. Most businesses need to make money and pretending they care more beyond is ughh. Most social media UX sucks. It's unintuitive to use and horrible (see twitter). I have the google paradox, if you can easily find it on google why do I need to share it to you? This is wrong pattern of thinking but this does make me tired mentally when posting something.
Obviously, the problem is entirely me
I keep trying but deep down, I don't even want to support the platform by engaging on them.
It just feels bad to have an ulterior motive behind posting a cute puppy pic.
> It just feels bad to have an ulterior motive behind posting a cute puppy pic
Is your project about puppies? If not then don't spam it!
It's low value marketing and you feel bad because you are deliberately trying to trick people. Maybe try to get your product in front of people who actually want it.
Is your project about puppies? If not then don't spam it!
It's low value marketing and you feel bad because you are deliberately trying to trick people. Maybe try to get your product in front of people who actually want it.
Is your project something targeted at a general populace? How large the following do you need for it to succeed?
As other commenters mentioned, all the puppies, celebrities, politicians, and everything else you see in the "social media" are precisely the things that work on the vast majority of people. Things that pull on the strings which seem to be directly attached to our most primal instincts.
We all have those instincts, and we're all vulnerable to their exploitation. I think that the majority of people either are not aware or don't really care about being manipulated, as long as they get their fun in the end. If you're going to need the widespread support of tens of thousands or more, then you have no other way than to provide them what they - consciously or not - (came to) expect.
In the infinite diversity of human characters, though, some people are aware of the hidden (in plain sight...) dangers and manipulation techniques and do not want to be targeted by them. They're a tiny minority (again, in my experience), but thanks to the Internet, you can find a number of them. I get the feeling that you're a part of that "crowd" and that you'd be happier targeting just them. Try to think it through. How many people do you really need in your network for the project to succeed? Can you get away with just the ones you share a mindset with? If so, don't bother searching for them in the mainstream. The time you'd spend feeling bad and hesitating to post another puppy can be better spent by looking outside of the puppy-infested hate-laden cesspool of popular opinion.
This may sound elitist, but it's really not. Being in the minority and preferring to stay within that minority is a perfectly natural thing to do. You don't really have to do any coming out if you don't need it. Stay where you feel comfortable, or at least start from there. It could take you more time to accomplish whatever it is you want, but you'll be much happier along the way.
My advice if you actually really need widespread support and fast: hire a firm which will do this for you. As many others said in this thread, they are pros at this game, and you're not going to get results better than them by yourself, even if you ruin your mental health many times over.
As other commenters mentioned, all the puppies, celebrities, politicians, and everything else you see in the "social media" are precisely the things that work on the vast majority of people. Things that pull on the strings which seem to be directly attached to our most primal instincts.
We all have those instincts, and we're all vulnerable to their exploitation. I think that the majority of people either are not aware or don't really care about being manipulated, as long as they get their fun in the end. If you're going to need the widespread support of tens of thousands or more, then you have no other way than to provide them what they - consciously or not - (came to) expect.
In the infinite diversity of human characters, though, some people are aware of the hidden (in plain sight...) dangers and manipulation techniques and do not want to be targeted by them. They're a tiny minority (again, in my experience), but thanks to the Internet, you can find a number of them. I get the feeling that you're a part of that "crowd" and that you'd be happier targeting just them. Try to think it through. How many people do you really need in your network for the project to succeed? Can you get away with just the ones you share a mindset with? If so, don't bother searching for them in the mainstream. The time you'd spend feeling bad and hesitating to post another puppy can be better spent by looking outside of the puppy-infested hate-laden cesspool of popular opinion.
This may sound elitist, but it's really not. Being in the minority and preferring to stay within that minority is a perfectly natural thing to do. You don't really have to do any coming out if you don't need it. Stay where you feel comfortable, or at least start from there. It could take you more time to accomplish whatever it is you want, but you'll be much happier along the way.
My advice if you actually really need widespread support and fast: hire a firm which will do this for you. As many others said in this thread, they are pros at this game, and you're not going to get results better than them by yourself, even if you ruin your mental health many times over.
I'm not saying "use Facebook", because that doesn't seem responsible these days. However, you can use it and tune out the puppy picks, and just use chat, events, and maybe picture sharing; ie. what Facebook should be for from the perspective of end-users.
I get the vibes that thrwaway69 does it professionally. Maybe some social media manager job? In that case a tabletop game club will not be helpful.
Pretty sure OP is trying to grow a community/following about a relevant subject so his marketing is effective.
> Why is it always hate, hate and hate
Anger is the most easily evoked emotional state behind sexual arousal, because it is tied to basic survival instincts. US "wild west" culture over its history has ended up making it very OK to be angry at something. This is exploited by people seeking attention.
> Why is it always politics
Politicians and their opposition pay people to to stay visible in the media and run stories about them. Facebook is also mostly used by older people who tend to be the ones to consume opinion-based cable news shows.
> celebrity expressing their "concerns"
Celebrities pay people to stay in the media and run stories about them.
> cute puppies
I think it was in the Naked Ape that I read that the "aww..." reactions produced by cuteness is evolutionarily intended to ensure people like their babies (who need non-angry-at-them parents to survive). This is exploited by people seeking attention.
If social media promotion is your job, you have to detach from it emotionally, and remember that no one is being forced to use social media, or to like anything, or repost anything. It's all on them.
Anger is the most easily evoked emotional state behind sexual arousal, because it is tied to basic survival instincts. US "wild west" culture over its history has ended up making it very OK to be angry at something. This is exploited by people seeking attention.
> Why is it always politics
Politicians and their opposition pay people to to stay visible in the media and run stories about them. Facebook is also mostly used by older people who tend to be the ones to consume opinion-based cable news shows.
> celebrity expressing their "concerns"
Celebrities pay people to stay in the media and run stories about them.
> cute puppies
I think it was in the Naked Ape that I read that the "aww..." reactions produced by cuteness is evolutionarily intended to ensure people like their babies (who need non-angry-at-them parents to survive). This is exploited by people seeking attention.
If social media promotion is your job, you have to detach from it emotionally, and remember that no one is being forced to use social media, or to like anything, or repost anything. It's all on them.
I don't buy the sentiment that social media isn't "worth it".
I've made friends, started projects, had job offers, acquisition offers -- all through Twitter. Twitter opens up huge opportunities for meeting people who share your interests.
The single best resource I've seen on this is David Perell and Matthew Kobach's (recent) lecture on "How to Crush it on Twitter" [1].
They say:
- People treat social media interactions like real-life interactions: if you're selfish irl folks won't want to listen to you, so why would social media be any different? Be generous with good ideas
- Pick a niche and only tweet about that niche. This obviously has to be something you actually care about. Your niche is probably smaller than you think
- Practice and review: Post for 30 days and at the end of the month, review the likes/RTs and draw a green circle over what worked and a red circle over what didn't. Post more of what worked and you'll notice you're getting better over time.
It's an excellent watch if you are looking to deliberately grow your Twitter following and are willing to practice
[1]: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P5d6zm3YbqM&feature=youtu.be
I've made friends, started projects, had job offers, acquisition offers -- all through Twitter. Twitter opens up huge opportunities for meeting people who share your interests.
The single best resource I've seen on this is David Perell and Matthew Kobach's (recent) lecture on "How to Crush it on Twitter" [1].
They say:
- People treat social media interactions like real-life interactions: if you're selfish irl folks won't want to listen to you, so why would social media be any different? Be generous with good ideas
- Pick a niche and only tweet about that niche. This obviously has to be something you actually care about. Your niche is probably smaller than you think
- Practice and review: Post for 30 days and at the end of the month, review the likes/RTs and draw a green circle over what worked and a red circle over what didn't. Post more of what worked and you'll notice you're getting better over time.
It's an excellent watch if you are looking to deliberately grow your Twitter following and are willing to practice
[1]: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P5d6zm3YbqM&feature=youtu.be
You cannot be "good" at social media in the abstract. You have to be providing the kind of entertainment people want. Yes, hate is a kind of entertainment, although an extremely unsavoury one.
Trying to piggy-back a top trend when you're unrelated is also doomed. It's just spam. As you've noticed, trying to get people who don't care to sign up to something that you evidently don't care about either is futile and demoralising.
You have to have a niche. You have to be relevant to people, not topics. Oh, and the advice is radically different depending on platform; I'm mostly HN/Twitter. Few of us is pretty enough for Instagram.
Trying to piggy-back a top trend when you're unrelated is also doomed. It's just spam. As you've noticed, trying to get people who don't care to sign up to something that you evidently don't care about either is futile and demoralising.
You have to have a niche. You have to be relevant to people, not topics. Oh, and the advice is radically different depending on platform; I'm mostly HN/Twitter. Few of us is pretty enough for Instagram.
Absolutely. TBH, Instagram is not a suitable platform to do this. It's not so much lined-up as Twitter. I mean you can play around with the fancy lined-up on Instagram when one visited your profile but it doesn't deliver the main purpose of using social media for engagement. IMO.
Trying to keep track of what's trending tires me out.
Are you suggesting that posting about things that are trending is what you would consider to be "good at social media"? That's not what post people would call it.
Look at what are generally considered good social media accounts - they don't follow trends. Some times they might happen to post about something that's trending, but most often the good accounts are ones that have an authentic voice about a topic they find interesting, and they don't deviate all that much. Occasionally a good account might also have a mix of a topic they care about and 'everyday life stuff' because people are human after all. No one who's really good at social media is posting about lots of disparate topics that happen to be trending at a given time.
Are you suggesting that posting about things that are trending is what you would consider to be "good at social media"? That's not what post people would call it.
Look at what are generally considered good social media accounts - they don't follow trends. Some times they might happen to post about something that's trending, but most often the good accounts are ones that have an authentic voice about a topic they find interesting, and they don't deviate all that much. Occasionally a good account might also have a mix of a topic they care about and 'everyday life stuff' because people are human after all. No one who's really good at social media is posting about lots of disparate topics that happen to be trending at a given time.
You're copying the wrong behaviour. The marketing staff at XCorp engage in all kinds of marketing that you likelh don't want;the behaviour you are describing is either a deliberate brand awareness campaign, or an accidental pursuit of likes/follows ignoring engagement (often an easy way to boost your appraisal).
For small companies and projects:
Focus on your niche. If it isn't relevant, don't send it. Determine a relevance bar and stick to it (when you get settled you can try playing with this if you care)
Set a limit to how much you send, and over which channels. Set a target as well. Don't lower quality to meet target.
Set up triggers for relevant events (your competitors trending, HN/core forum discussions on your topic) and have a small list of things to do when they happen.
For small companies and projects:
Focus on your niche. If it isn't relevant, don't send it. Determine a relevance bar and stick to it (when you get settled you can try playing with this if you care)
Set a limit to how much you send, and over which channels. Set a target as well. Don't lower quality to meet target.
Set up triggers for relevant events (your competitors trending, HN/core forum discussions on your topic) and have a small list of things to do when they happen.
Since I'm doing other things now I'll tell you the secrets:
Basically its all anti-patterns, the things people SAY are not the things popular people are DOING. And the unorganic stuff like "buying followers/email lists" isn't the unorganic stuff that you should be paying attention to.
Long story short: don't buy people to add to the list, buy the account
On Instagram, you just buy a popular account and rebrand it. Pricing is followers multiplied by engagement. You'll figure it out. 3% higher engagement is much better than higher followers. But you can get in the door with partners with higher followers.
You break even on the account by doing paid features for like a month.
The rebrand will cause a bunch of followers to leave, so THATS when you use bots like instagress to get the attention of other real humans to offset the decline. you are never actually growing the account, teenagers in Albania and India are growing the accounts. Don't fall for the time wasting ideas, unless your time isn't valuable. You buy their already grown accounts.
Use those accounts to hack hashtags for several years. I'm not sure thats a term but here is how you do it: you take the account private, and thats when YOU pay for promotions on other people's accounts to drive real humans to your account.
When your account is private, instagram queues up follower requests 100 at a time, and when you switch back to public only 100 followers or so are added at once I think. There is some limit. The point is that you always maintain a currency of new followers that you can accept in bulk at any time.
So THEN when you post a picture with almost any hashtag (based on popularity of that tag), you can accept a TON of followers that you've been queuing for an indefinite time period - also amplified by paid promotion again - and everyone likes/engages with it quickly, pushing it to the TOP section of a popular hashtag.
Rinse, repeat.
Regarding promotions again, you also want to be in a liking ring in Instagram DMs with other popular accounts. You post your picture in those rings and they like your photo, and vice versa. I'm not sure how much this works since the friend's activity feed is gone, but it can still move your photo up on other people's normal feeds if you share followers.
Its a decent place to START your funnel these days.
Basically its all anti-patterns, the things people SAY are not the things popular people are DOING. And the unorganic stuff like "buying followers/email lists" isn't the unorganic stuff that you should be paying attention to.
Long story short: don't buy people to add to the list, buy the account
On Instagram, you just buy a popular account and rebrand it. Pricing is followers multiplied by engagement. You'll figure it out. 3% higher engagement is much better than higher followers. But you can get in the door with partners with higher followers.
You break even on the account by doing paid features for like a month.
The rebrand will cause a bunch of followers to leave, so THATS when you use bots like instagress to get the attention of other real humans to offset the decline. you are never actually growing the account, teenagers in Albania and India are growing the accounts. Don't fall for the time wasting ideas, unless your time isn't valuable. You buy their already grown accounts.
Use those accounts to hack hashtags for several years. I'm not sure thats a term but here is how you do it: you take the account private, and thats when YOU pay for promotions on other people's accounts to drive real humans to your account.
When your account is private, instagram queues up follower requests 100 at a time, and when you switch back to public only 100 followers or so are added at once I think. There is some limit. The point is that you always maintain a currency of new followers that you can accept in bulk at any time.
So THEN when you post a picture with almost any hashtag (based on popularity of that tag), you can accept a TON of followers that you've been queuing for an indefinite time period - also amplified by paid promotion again - and everyone likes/engages with it quickly, pushing it to the TOP section of a popular hashtag.
Rinse, repeat.
Regarding promotions again, you also want to be in a liking ring in Instagram DMs with other popular accounts. You post your picture in those rings and they like your photo, and vice versa. I'm not sure how much this works since the friend's activity feed is gone, but it can still move your photo up on other people's normal feeds if you share followers.
Its a decent place to START your funnel these days.
If I find a good deal on an account with more followers and higher engagement, I'll just buy that and then rebrand that to my main account, and turn the old account into a "fanpage" of the same brand, or consider using it for a similar venture in the same sector (or a hard rebrand I won't use, because if you never post you won't lose followers, but you can still get in the door with people - or just slide into DMs with Tinder girls because they actually talk to you if you have alot of followers, you don't even need to swipe right on Tinder. It really functions very similarly to currency. I have 100% brought beautiful women to my apartment, in programmer filled San Francisco, who have never seen me before, by sliding into DMs with a popular account that I purchased and broke even on, after I saw their profile on Tinder and didn't even bother swiping right.
Instagram accounts pay for themselves you'd be surprised.
Oh well the secret's out, my actual opinion is that purchasing accounts is riddled with fraud and Facebook should broker them and take a cut because it is a whole economy)
Instagram accounts pay for themselves you'd be surprised.
Oh well the secret's out, my actual opinion is that purchasing accounts is riddled with fraud and Facebook should broker them and take a cut because it is a whole economy)
I've found Twitter to be the only one really worthwhile. The key is finding thoughtful, interesting people whose opinions you care about, and then ruthlessly weeding out anything political. No matter how much I might like someone, the moment they make a political post they're gone. Political discussion can be great, but social media is simply not the place for it. You'll find that there are plenty of people who feel the same and avoid it entirely, so eventually you can build up a really cool list of interesting folks to follow and learn from.
What you need to do to promote yourself and still sleep well at night is come up with good content, and bring it up when relevant. You can easily become an outrage or clickbait factory, but that’s no fun; likewise, spamming SEO, trying to get people to do things that they don’t want to do, like subscribe to your content, pay you, or even pay attention to you is difficult if they have no reason to do so. You don’t have to “optimize”, either: not everyone ends up being hugely popular, but you can still be known for something you’re proud of.
Don't post everything mindlessly by following the latest trends. Instead, focus on a niche you're good at, a topic that interests you and you have the experience, and you will get dedicated followers who want to follow that topic.
> I feel absolutely shit when I am trying to be relevant
Sounds like you should stop. Obsessing over social media isn't healthy and unless (perhaps even if) you're doing it professionally I very much doubt it's going to bring you value proportional to it's (negative) emotional and psychological impact.
Sounds like you should stop. Obsessing over social media isn't healthy and unless (perhaps even if) you're doing it professionally I very much doubt it's going to bring you value proportional to it's (negative) emotional and psychological impact.
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"Good" in what sense, to what end? Why are you on social media in the first place?
"Trending" is virtually always utter dreck. Advice on Reddit is to unsubscribe all default subs, on G+ it was to block or avoid "What's Hot" (a/k/a "What Snot"), and to avoid at all costs appearing on it.
My goals are, mostly, finding intelligent conversation, awareness of relevant information, and bouncing my own ideas off others, for further development and refinement. I agree strongly with this comment by @tomhoward (https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=22933833), especially about finding a small core group. Best discussion group I'd managed in recent years had about 50 subscribers, core actives about 15, but excellent discussion. It's since been dissolved and the platform it was hosted on shut down, but was good while it lasted.
The one secret hack I've found, on any platform which suports it, is "block f---wits":
https://mastodon.cloud/@dredmorbius/102504802435025145
Effectively it's a S/N boost mechanism by curtailing noise sources. It's remarkably effective.
For HN, that's not possible, but moderator intervention and user flags tend to be highly effective.
"Trending" is virtually always utter dreck. Advice on Reddit is to unsubscribe all default subs, on G+ it was to block or avoid "What's Hot" (a/k/a "What Snot"), and to avoid at all costs appearing on it.
My goals are, mostly, finding intelligent conversation, awareness of relevant information, and bouncing my own ideas off others, for further development and refinement. I agree strongly with this comment by @tomhoward (https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=22933833), especially about finding a small core group. Best discussion group I'd managed in recent years had about 50 subscribers, core actives about 15, but excellent discussion. It's since been dissolved and the platform it was hosted on shut down, but was good while it lasted.
The one secret hack I've found, on any platform which suports it, is "block f---wits":
https://mastodon.cloud/@dredmorbius/102504802435025145
Effectively it's a S/N boost mechanism by curtailing noise sources. It's remarkably effective.
For HN, that's not possible, but moderator intervention and user flags tend to be highly effective.
What's the end goal for which you feel you need to get good at social media?
The thing to consider about "social media" is it's a term that's taken out of the pages of 1984, like the Ministry of Peace. It's social in the way that social experiments or popularity contests are "social", not as in hanging out with friends and feeling good.
There are many, many people whose entire job is to get good at jumping through these hoops, and even then most of them fail. So the best thing you can do for yourself is decide you're not a monkey or a lab rat.
I'm guessing you have in mind something you'd like to promote, even if it's just yourself and your thoughts. And I second the suggestion to build a tiny audience at first. Even if it's just 5 people who absolutely love what you do - that's a start.
The way to get these people is to step out of dystopia-land and recall how it works in real life, and mimicking that in whatever social network you feel is most relevant to your objectives. For me, that social network is LinkedIn. [I left any others I was on.]
I've written an entire detailed article on how to take this approach, which is different to the traditional "gain a following", but ends up building actual relationships. You might find stuff in it relevant to your needs.
https://medium.com/skill-strong/how-to-network-on-linkedin-w...
The thing to consider about "social media" is it's a term that's taken out of the pages of 1984, like the Ministry of Peace. It's social in the way that social experiments or popularity contests are "social", not as in hanging out with friends and feeling good.
There are many, many people whose entire job is to get good at jumping through these hoops, and even then most of them fail. So the best thing you can do for yourself is decide you're not a monkey or a lab rat.
I'm guessing you have in mind something you'd like to promote, even if it's just yourself and your thoughts. And I second the suggestion to build a tiny audience at first. Even if it's just 5 people who absolutely love what you do - that's a start.
The way to get these people is to step out of dystopia-land and recall how it works in real life, and mimicking that in whatever social network you feel is most relevant to your objectives. For me, that social network is LinkedIn. [I left any others I was on.]
I've written an entire detailed article on how to take this approach, which is different to the traditional "gain a following", but ends up building actual relationships. You might find stuff in it relevant to your needs.
https://medium.com/skill-strong/how-to-network-on-linkedin-w...
I have no affiliation, just a happy customer, but the Holloway Guide to Twitter is a great, lengthy resource for Twitter at least, probably applicable across platforms for the most part: https://www.holloway.com/g/using-twitter
I help run a small all-volunteer non-profit that advocates for trail access for mountain bikes (CRAMBA - https://cramba.org), along with trail maintenance, design, building, etc. I've found the best way to get a good response on social media for promoting our topics is to have them be relevant to the audience.
Literally, posts and things that are stuff people are interested in (new trails, COVID-19 closure info, trail conditions, asking what they did on the trails this past weekend) get very good engagement and they get info out there. Stuff that's only peripherally related trying to gain likes and followers and whatnot just seem... meh.
So, the short answer to what works for us? Not trying to game things and providing actual, nice content. It also keeps our audience very focused.
Literally, posts and things that are stuff people are interested in (new trails, COVID-19 closure info, trail conditions, asking what they did on the trails this past weekend) get very good engagement and they get info out there. Stuff that's only peripherally related trying to gain likes and followers and whatnot just seem... meh.
So, the short answer to what works for us? Not trying to game things and providing actual, nice content. It also keeps our audience very focused.
I think one tweet that stood out to me not sure who it was by is that each social media platform requires a different set of skills to be good at it.
So I think the best step is to pick one social media platform and study people who have successfully gained traction on that specific platform.
So I think the best step is to pick one social media platform and study people who have successfully gained traction on that specific platform.
> Trying to keep track of what's trending tires me out
From your post, it sounds like you are tying to spam everything with irrelevant content just to try to trap people into getting something they don't want.
Maybe you feel bad because that's a bad way to behave?
Social media is what you make it. If you are promoting a product you like in areas where it is relevant then maybe you'd feel better?
Others have suggested finding a niche and working that, which is a great approach.
Otherwise, if you product isn't about cute puppies why do you care if others are posting them? I use Twitter, Facebook and Instagram pretty heavily and I go days without seeing any puppies.
From your post, it sounds like you are tying to spam everything with irrelevant content just to try to trap people into getting something they don't want.
Maybe you feel bad because that's a bad way to behave?
Social media is what you make it. If you are promoting a product you like in areas where it is relevant then maybe you'd feel better?
Others have suggested finding a niche and working that, which is a great approach.
Otherwise, if you product isn't about cute puppies why do you care if others are posting them? I use Twitter, Facebook and Instagram pretty heavily and I go days without seeing any puppies.
It really depends on what you're trying to do with Social Media.
I tried for years to get a small business' Twitter account to take off with no success.
But I also created a personal Twitter account for political musings and it had 10 times more followers than the business account in a few months, and literally hundreds of times more engagement.
I don't think anyone is actually "good at social media" as it's constantly changing. I just think you have to take the right approach to whatever you're trying to do, and also be lucky.
I tried for years to get a small business' Twitter account to take off with no success.
But I also created a personal Twitter account for political musings and it had 10 times more followers than the business account in a few months, and literally hundreds of times more engagement.
I don't think anyone is actually "good at social media" as it's constantly changing. I just think you have to take the right approach to whatever you're trying to do, and also be lucky.
It's not that different from other social endeavors. If you don't have existing social connections, meaning people don't know who you are, it's tough. If you're already "famous" you could be posting third-rate content and get decent engagement. Even if you get a few posts to go viral it doesn't help you in the big scheme of things if you cannot convert it into a relationship.
At the end of the day it's all people on the other side. Think how to get them to like YOU, not your posts.
At the end of the day it's all people on the other side. Think how to get them to like YOU, not your posts.
People only have so much attention to allocate. It’s exponentially harder to become a star on social media platforms as the number of users grows. Look for the next platform that appeals to your audience & begin building while there is a vacuum to be filled.
Advertisements and referrals will magnify your reach. If you have money, buy ads. If you are famous on another platform or have access to other famous people, promote your channel via referrals. If you have a website with high search rank, link to your posts.
Advertisements and referrals will magnify your reach. If you have money, buy ads. If you are famous on another platform or have access to other famous people, promote your channel via referrals. If you have a website with high search rank, link to your posts.
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The only winning move is not to play.
We tend to find that our team are most interesting when they write about what they are interested in. After all, people who tend to create content to reach trending audiences often aren't writing with the same love and passion, and so what the offer is less unique.
Get really into the details of what you love and you'll tend to find and connect with others who do the same and build your community that way.
What's your product ? What added value is it offering to your prospects compared to other's product ? Who are your prospects ?
I'd suggest getting your hand on a marketing 101 book or online courses, take the shortcut here by learning from others and stop trying out things at random.
And depending on your business: be prepared to shell out money in ads. Be very careful. If you don't know how then it's the time yet.
I'd suggest getting your hand on a marketing 101 book or online courses, take the shortcut here by learning from others and stop trying out things at random.
And depending on your business: be prepared to shell out money in ads. Be very careful. If you don't know how then it's the time yet.
What are your goals? It’s hard to give you actionable advice without knowing what you are trying to achieve.
It sounds like you’re just copying others; that is not a good way to be good at most things that aren’t commodities (which social media is not).
Copying the techniques that you see on trending pages, without copying the (unseen) techniques that got people on trending pages will, predictably, not land you on trending pages.
It sounds like you’re just copying others; that is not a good way to be good at most things that aren’t commodities (which social media is not).
Copying the techniques that you see on trending pages, without copying the (unseen) techniques that got people on trending pages will, predictably, not land you on trending pages.
don't get good at social media, get good at finding sponsors and scouts.
with this I mean, get good at finding 100 persons that either: - would pay 1 euro a month for whatever you're doing next - would happily forward infos about whstever you're doing next to that friends of theirs who is really into the same niche (who usually would love to pay 1 euro/month)
with this I mean, get good at finding 100 persons that either: - would pay 1 euro a month for whatever you're doing next - would happily forward infos about whstever you're doing next to that friends of theirs who is really into the same niche (who usually would love to pay 1 euro/month)
> Why is it always hate, hate and hate.
I firmly believe that being mean (spreading hate) takes much less effort than being nice. It's like curse words. It is so much easier to drop an F-Bomb than it is to a word that's more descriptive. People just gravitate towards the low effort fruit, even if it isn't nearly as delicious.
I firmly believe that being mean (spreading hate) takes much less effort than being nice. It's like curse words. It is so much easier to drop an F-Bomb than it is to a word that's more descriptive. People just gravitate towards the low effort fruit, even if it isn't nearly as delicious.
Personally I've found the way to "win" at social media is to not engage.
I left Facebook over a decade ago - as it happens because of the people not the platform - and I find myself not using Twitter at all (I'll occasionally go read a linked tweet, but its not like I need an account to do that) for months now.
I left Facebook over a decade ago - as it happens because of the people not the platform - and I find myself not using Twitter at all (I'll occasionally go read a linked tweet, but its not like I need an account to do that) for months now.
Why do you care?
I'm going to take the opposite view here, and advise you that if see Social Media as full of hate (which it is in my view), then Social Media is not for you. I recommend you leave it to those who enjoy that sort of toxic interaction, and focus on something you actually enjoy.
I'm going to take the opposite view here, and advise you that if see Social Media as full of hate (which it is in my view), then Social Media is not for you. I recommend you leave it to those who enjoy that sort of toxic interaction, and focus on something you actually enjoy.
Being good at social media is not worth much by itself. What is the actual goal? Selling something?
It seems unclear whether you approach it from a professional or an individual basis. You mention spamming the trending tags which sounds like a blackhat marketing tactic. Do you want to promote your product or to become more involved at a personal level?
Work towards a niche.
Then announce it to the world. Although getting "followers" or "retweets" as a vindication of your online presence is not a metric that should be pursued. Its futile.
Then announce it to the world. Although getting "followers" or "retweets" as a vindication of your online presence is not a metric that should be pursued. Its futile.
You need to find your inner voice first, and your best fit? Each medium has its own population and style. Start from the one you like the most and be yourself.
There's no need to play that game and it's far more rewarding to define and play your own game with a smaller audience. I had cut myself off of social media and blogging but got back into it recently because I felt there would be an audience I could benefit: https://blog.kowsheek.com/should-i-start-a-blog/
Stop using it and get Actual Work done
Hate, feelings vs facts, false compassion, relatability and all that is part of the current bit of nature we are experiencing. Studying art, culture, religion and psychology has a lot of answers for how people behave. Ultimately a lot of the pop art and advertising is just plastering a film over what people want at the moment and pointing people in a direction from that.
Hate is running out of steam as we speak, in a few years it will all be money, humanism, unity, kindness, ect. Then it will be taste, the tall mother, class, sisterly love ect. The cycles of what the nature in people want can be tracked over days, months, years, decades, centuries, ect. People have been doing this stuff for millennia.
Hate, jealousy, ect are signals that something of value exists and is worth hating. Getting your product hated for silly reasons is a great boost, sell to both the haters and lovers. People won't tolerate inaccessible and distant rich or classy figures at the moment, all the cash and attention is in relatability. All the old symbols of competence and class have mostly collapsed (except for the old mainstays) so there's few ways to visibly distance yourself socially from others anyway.
It's all a big ecosystem that rumbles on, for all the 'individual brilliance of an artist/advertiser/designer' they are all using the same tools to do the same stuff, including the understanding of human psychology. Once you learn all the tools it becomes constraining what gets attention and what you can actually live off, it can only really be one thing, one story at the end of the day and everybody's competing for it.
Hate is running out of steam as we speak, in a few years it will all be money, humanism, unity, kindness, ect. Then it will be taste, the tall mother, class, sisterly love ect. The cycles of what the nature in people want can be tracked over days, months, years, decades, centuries, ect. People have been doing this stuff for millennia.
Hate, jealousy, ect are signals that something of value exists and is worth hating. Getting your product hated for silly reasons is a great boost, sell to both the haters and lovers. People won't tolerate inaccessible and distant rich or classy figures at the moment, all the cash and attention is in relatability. All the old symbols of competence and class have mostly collapsed (except for the old mainstays) so there's few ways to visibly distance yourself socially from others anyway.
It's all a big ecosystem that rumbles on, for all the 'individual brilliance of an artist/advertiser/designer' they are all using the same tools to do the same stuff, including the understanding of human psychology. Once you learn all the tools it becomes constraining what gets attention and what you can actually live off, it can only really be one thing, one story at the end of the day and everybody's competing for it.
oh, the whole proccess of seo is an experiment. there is no accurate formula for success, however, there are some tips and tricks.
what social media you are talking about? reddit, facebook, youtube, twitter?
what social media you are talking about? reddit, facebook, youtube, twitter?
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A strange game. The only winning move is not to play.
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Don't. Just don't.
Social media has proven to be a least common denominator gutter that worships outrage and chumbox spam. Either have bots make the snausage by filling the world with crap for money, or be at peace without approval in relative obscurity with worthwhile content and less money. There's not much middle-ground because it's half-stepping to not go all-in and focus one way or the other. Personally, IDGAF and would do the latter if I was forced to but don't really care what random, cyberdisinhibited people think because it's usually time-wasting noise.
Social media has proven to be a least common denominator gutter that worships outrage and chumbox spam. Either have bots make the snausage by filling the world with crap for money, or be at peace without approval in relative obscurity with worthwhile content and less money. There's not much middle-ground because it's half-stepping to not go all-in and focus one way or the other. Personally, IDGAF and would do the latter if I was forced to but don't really care what random, cyberdisinhibited people think because it's usually time-wasting noise.
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Yes targeting fewer people easily show you better results in the online industry.
How do you handle this?
Trying to keep track of what's trending tires me out. Why is it always hate, hate and hate. Why is it always politics or some celebrity expressing their "concerns" or cute puppies.