GirlsDoPorn victims win rights to their videos(bbc.com)
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GirlsDoPorn victims win rights to their videos
https://www.bbc.com/news/technology-59699234
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How long until enough OnlyFans models regret putting themselves online and that company is sued into oblivion? I'm curious to see where society believes the line of personal responsibility lies.
> admitting that as part of a premeditated scheme, Garcia recruited victims to appear in sex videos for the websites by promising them that these videos would never be posted online, that the videos would never be released in the United States, and that no one who knew the women would ever find out about the videos.
> Throughout the scheme, Garcia knew these representations were false
> Garcia and Pratt created Craigslist advertisements, along with fake websites and email addresses consistent with the websites to cause their victims to believe that they were applying to work asclothed models.
> When victims expressed hesitation, Garcia directed other young women to contact the victims and falsely reassure them that the videos would not be posted online and that none of the victims’ friends, families, colleagues or classmates would find out.
> Garcia knew that most of the young women they were recruiting would have never agreed to appear in a video if they knew that videos of their explicit sexual activity would be posted on the internet and marketed to their friends and family.
> If one of the victims agreed to act in the pornographic video, Garcia and his co-conspirators promptly booked flights to San Diego within a day or two to limit the chances that the victim would change her mind.
> After the victim arrived at the hotel or short-term rental unit, Garcia would continue to falsely assure them that the videos would not be posted online and that no one who knew the victims would see
> Garcia and others would at times coerce victims into completing the videos once they were underway. Garcia and other co-conspirators threatened to sue the victims, cancel flights home, and post the videos online, if the victims did not complete the sex videos.
> The sex for the video shoots was rough and caused many victims pain, and in some cases bleeding. Some victims asked to stop filming. In response, Garcia and others told the victims that they had to continue and finish the videos. Victims were also often paid significantly less than originally promised
So, after all that, do you really think GDP and OnlyFans are comparable?
> Throughout the scheme, Garcia knew these representations were false
> Garcia and Pratt created Craigslist advertisements, along with fake websites and email addresses consistent with the websites to cause their victims to believe that they were applying to work asclothed models.
> When victims expressed hesitation, Garcia directed other young women to contact the victims and falsely reassure them that the videos would not be posted online and that none of the victims’ friends, families, colleagues or classmates would find out.
> Garcia knew that most of the young women they were recruiting would have never agreed to appear in a video if they knew that videos of their explicit sexual activity would be posted on the internet and marketed to their friends and family.
> If one of the victims agreed to act in the pornographic video, Garcia and his co-conspirators promptly booked flights to San Diego within a day or two to limit the chances that the victim would change her mind.
> After the victim arrived at the hotel or short-term rental unit, Garcia would continue to falsely assure them that the videos would not be posted online and that no one who knew the victims would see
> Garcia and others would at times coerce victims into completing the videos once they were underway. Garcia and other co-conspirators threatened to sue the victims, cancel flights home, and post the videos online, if the victims did not complete the sex videos.
> The sex for the video shoots was rough and caused many victims pain, and in some cases bleeding. Some victims asked to stop filming. In response, Garcia and others told the victims that they had to continue and finish the videos. Victims were also often paid significantly less than originally promised
So, after all that, do you really think GDP and OnlyFans are comparable?
Yes because the target for both businesses is young and optionless women. Those details help people sympathize with the women, and it seems like OF models are operating with more autonomy but I suspect many models will regret posting online in the long run. These businesses tend to implode once enough of the models go public with their regret.
All I can say is - wow.
Many OF women do have many other options - but they make a ton on onlyfans and it’s a lot less work. Most fully understand the trade offs and are fine with it.
This case is radically different, involving massive fraud and deceit, among other crimes.
But keep pretending women are clueless and have no agency of their own I guess?
Many OF women do have many other options - but they make a ton on onlyfans and it’s a lot less work. Most fully understand the trade offs and are fine with it.
This case is radically different, involving massive fraud and deceit, among other crimes.
But keep pretending women are clueless and have no agency of their own I guess?
I don't appreciate your passive aggression. I don't think women are clueless or have no agency but I am aware that young people often make mistakes that they later regret. It's a normal part of growing up but posting your nudes online is a particularly difficult one since it's hard to take back. There are many potential ramifications to your social life, your professional life, and your psychic life.
I don't think that posting your nudes online for money is a sustainable way to live, so I think the people who do it will ultimately feel negative about it in the end.
I don't think that posting your nudes online for money is a sustainable way to live, so I think the people who do it will ultimately feel negative about it in the end.
I’m pretty sure passive aggressive is pretending to be supportive but not - which I’m pretty sure I wasn’t.
Saying everyone who participates in OF is in the same boat as women who were actively blackmailed by clear lies and fraudulent claims, and that everyone who does it has no idea of the ramifications and is being exploited in the same way is treating them like children with no idea of the ramifications of their actions.
Which is denying they can make rational choices and trade offs, and have agency in making their decisions and accepting their consequences.
If a man went into manual labor or the trades rather than going to college, would you make the same statement? And compare them to someone blackmailed or forced into physical labor as a slave?
Because those are much closer comparisons than most would admit. Both have similar long term social, and physical consequences (different in details but not consequences).
Manual labor doesn’t pay well though.
Saying everyone who participates in OF is in the same boat as women who were actively blackmailed by clear lies and fraudulent claims, and that everyone who does it has no idea of the ramifications and is being exploited in the same way is treating them like children with no idea of the ramifications of their actions.
Which is denying they can make rational choices and trade offs, and have agency in making their decisions and accepting their consequences.
If a man went into manual labor or the trades rather than going to college, would you make the same statement? And compare them to someone blackmailed or forced into physical labor as a slave?
Because those are much closer comparisons than most would admit. Both have similar long term social, and physical consequences (different in details but not consequences).
Manual labor doesn’t pay well though.
> am aware that young people often make mistakes that they later regret.
True but that would be the case for most things including YT, FB, and much much more. I guess (I haven't look into it) that OF has a legal setup that's pretty clear about responsibility. After all, those woman are adults.
> I don't think that posting your nudes online for money is a sustainable way to live
Well, it is VERY profitable. And I even wish I could do that instead of running the rat race.
True but that would be the case for most things including YT, FB, and much much more. I guess (I haven't look into it) that OF has a legal setup that's pretty clear about responsibility. After all, those woman are adults.
> I don't think that posting your nudes online for money is a sustainable way to live
Well, it is VERY profitable. And I even wish I could do that instead of running the rat race.
> I even wish I could do that instead of running the rat race.
Don't let your dreams be dreams.
Don't let your dreams be dreams.
This case is not about people doing porn and regretting it. It is about fraud, blackmail, exploitation, and even rape. The “people need to think twice before posting nudes” whinging has nothing to do with the crime committed here.
Doesn't really change much afaik. GDP was already banned on mainstream sites. Niche sites still have some of them but I reckon they don't care about DMCAs etc anyway.
The videos themselves will live eternally though, they're very popular on torrent sites and collections TBs in size are well seeded (and very sought after, looking at my download:upload ratio).
The videos themselves will live eternally though, they're very popular on torrent sites and collections TBs in size are well seeded (and very sought after, looking at my download:upload ratio).
> looking at my download:upload ratio
I don't think there is a way that is compatible with HN's guidelines to tell you what I think of that but let me try the most constructive angle: you are actively hurting these women and it would probably be a good idea to stop doing that.
I don't think there is a way that is compatible with HN's guidelines to tell you what I think of that but let me try the most constructive angle: you are actively hurting these women and it would probably be a good idea to stop doing that.
> The videos themselves will live eternally though, they're very popular on torrent sites and collections TBs in size are well seeded (and very sought after, looking at my download:upload ratio).
the same could be said for CSAM (which is exactly what some of the videos you're spreading arguably constitute)
the same could be said for CSAM (which is exactly what some of the videos you're spreading arguably constitute)
These women can now sell the videos themselves and profit from them.
Anything that can be pirated will be... I don't see how that is relevant.
Anything that can be pirated will be... I don't see how that is relevant.
I don't see there being a difference between the videos being on DVDs sold vs online. Does that warrant 20 years in prison or did he force these women to make the videos?