Ukraine must have a collective security agreement with all its neighbors(president.gov.ua)

17 pointsby vinnyglennonvor 4 Jahren7 comments

president.gov.ua

Ukraine must have a collective security agreement with all its neighbors

https://www.president.gov.ua/en/news/ukrayina-povinna-mati-kolektivnij-dogovir-bezpeki-zi-vsima-s-73433

7 comments

ilyagrvor 4 Jahren

I'm confused about what this is supposed to achieve. The Budapest treaty already exists. It doesn't include most of Ukraine's neighbors, but Russia certainly signed it.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Budapest_Memorandum_on_Secur...

Why would a new treaty be any better?

UPDATE: Reading the speech, I guess part of the point might be that a new agreement would also prohibit attacks from Ukraine into Russia. ?

I guess this will either become clearer with time or will never be mentioned again.

warpspinvor 4 Jahren

I think "collective security" here means it is supposed to be a legally binding treaty which requires automatic military assistance. A mini NATO for Ukraine including Russia, with Ukraine itself being outside NATO. Not the worst idea I so far heard.

throw-ru-938vor 4 Jahren

The US, UK and Russia all claim the Budapest Memorandum is not legally binding. So in that respect, a new treaty would indeed be better (although I can see a legally binding treaty being broken by Putin as well).

petrevor 4 Jahren

Agreements without military backing are worth their weight in paper. We've all seen how the Budapest Memorandum was honoured by Russia.

throwaway81523vor 4 Jahren

Yep. That doesn't sound likely to fly again.

https://theintercept.com/2022/02/27/ukraine-nuclear-weapons-...

Ramarinvor 4 Jahren

Ukraine should at least start respecting the Minsk agreements and stop its aggression against Donetsk and Luhansk

meiralealvor 4 Jahren

"agression" against its own territory? Russians should stop lying to themselves and accept that Donestk and Luhansk is Ukraine, not Russia.