Not a Coke ad; Rats fed with soda for 2 months got more stupid(futurism.com)
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Not a Coke ad; Rats fed with soda for 2 months got more stupid
https://futurism.com/neoscope/rats-sugary-soda-stupider
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Nobody wants you to do anything. People are just interested in data that can help them make better decisions.
By all means gorge on whatever. I don't care in the slightest. I care about my health.
By all means gorge on whatever. I don't care in the slightest. I care about my health.
Your comment started out strong but lost the sauce at disparaging vegetable oils. There are essential fatty acids that we need in our diet because we don't have the enzymes to produce specific locations of double bonds, some vegetable and seed oils are a great way to supplement those while keeping a lean and precise diet.
> A closer look at the rattos' brains confirmed that the soda groups had all sustained varying degrees of damage to the frontal cortex, which controls vital mental functions like attention, memory, and judgement, as well as the hippocampus, which plays a major role in both memory and learning.
It was just a tiny bit weird to read this, as someone who has been drinking a lot more soda, but also doing personality-changing frontal cortex exercises for the last 5 years.
(But I guess they also use the word "sugary" a lot here and I've been drinking the zero-sugar stuff, which hopefully is also zero-frontal-cortex-damage stuff.)
BTW they say some brain trauma can be repaired or will even naturally heal on its own; is this kind of damage also in that category?
It was just a tiny bit weird to read this, as someone who has been drinking a lot more soda, but also doing personality-changing frontal cortex exercises for the last 5 years.
(But I guess they also use the word "sugary" a lot here and I've been drinking the zero-sugar stuff, which hopefully is also zero-frontal-cortex-damage stuff.)
BTW they say some brain trauma can be repaired or will even naturally heal on its own; is this kind of damage also in that category?
> ..personality-changing frontal cortex exercises
Care to give some pointers to this? Sounds mighty interesting.
Care to give some pointers to this? Sounds mighty interesting.
That's a big topic actually. For one, I did an EEG and a bunch of tasks with a personality researcher, while attending a conference on personality dynamics. In some follow-ups discussing my results, he gave me some suggestions based on what he saw in the data and how it compared to his previous research cases and general research on the brain.
To me, the value was in how subjective it was. I wouldn't suggest any particular exercises unless you know something about how you use your own frontal cortex, or even how you don't use it so much.
It's also possible that frontal cortex work sounds subjectively interesting but is in effect the wrong approach given one's own background in functionally overusing or overvaluing it, which I've seen happen.
To give an example from my experience, personally I generally fit the "sees things coming" thinking style, which indicates both a preference and an attribute, and for which there are lots of descriptors in the personality world. I would usually tend to then "watch those things arriving," as say step 2.
Following the meetup and subsequent study though, in a lot of different ways I've taught myself to put a "do something about it" in between those two, in ways I never thought were really useful or even doable before. This is just an example of the type of conscious redirection that can be done. Fighting one's own current levels of perception is definitely on the table too. People generally feel pressure to fight to preserve their preferred ways of doing things.
However there are also subconscious changes that happen along the way. For example I learned that I was becoming a new (to me) type of subjective thinker. While great in some ways, putting perception and execution so closely together meant that yet another type of quackery was now on the table. It's weird and scary to have a new idea that people will automatically doubt because it's new, but then also automatically fear because it's so actionable.
So, these different problems would come up. But since I was studying the frontal cortex stuff in the first place, at least I could do something about it...
Oh and PS, changing your personality arbitrarily can be dangerous and lead to psychological damage; please take care in this, since your current personality is also an energy and mood management system.
To me, the value was in how subjective it was. I wouldn't suggest any particular exercises unless you know something about how you use your own frontal cortex, or even how you don't use it so much.
It's also possible that frontal cortex work sounds subjectively interesting but is in effect the wrong approach given one's own background in functionally overusing or overvaluing it, which I've seen happen.
To give an example from my experience, personally I generally fit the "sees things coming" thinking style, which indicates both a preference and an attribute, and for which there are lots of descriptors in the personality world. I would usually tend to then "watch those things arriving," as say step 2.
Following the meetup and subsequent study though, in a lot of different ways I've taught myself to put a "do something about it" in between those two, in ways I never thought were really useful or even doable before. This is just an example of the type of conscious redirection that can be done. Fighting one's own current levels of perception is definitely on the table too. People generally feel pressure to fight to preserve their preferred ways of doing things.
However there are also subconscious changes that happen along the way. For example I learned that I was becoming a new (to me) type of subjective thinker. While great in some ways, putting perception and execution so closely together meant that yet another type of quackery was now on the table. It's weird and scary to have a new idea that people will automatically doubt because it's new, but then also automatically fear because it's so actionable.
So, these different problems would come up. But since I was studying the frontal cortex stuff in the first place, at least I could do something about it...
Oh and PS, changing your personality arbitrarily can be dangerous and lead to psychological damage; please take care in this, since your current personality is also an energy and mood management system.
There is no mention how much the rats drank, other than "drank soft drink and/or water ad libitum during 67 days". Did the rats chose coke 100% of the time? 90%? 50%? 1%? Also doesn't mention which specific drink was used, which can be important (specifically, if it contains artificial sweeteners, and which).
I can't view the full text though as it's not on sci-hub and not about to pay $28 to read a single article, so the answers may be in there. But it's not in the article or summary of the paper.
I can't view the full text though as it's not on sci-hub and not about to pay $28 to read a single article, so the answers may be in there. But it's not in the article or summary of the paper.
How do they disambiguate sugary drink from caffeinated drink?
A Coke/Pepsi is a whole lot more than just sugar+water.
A Coke/Pepsi is a whole lot more than just sugar+water.
There's no mention of a mechanism. Very fuzzy science going by the article's description.
I don't see anyone shilling against coffee which is literally a drug like alcohol and tobacco however.
Same people who want me to avoid sugar also want me to not use butter and instead use v*getable oils for cooking so I'm not sure why their opinion matters.
From all these meme studies, the only thing that I've learned is that you can take an obese landwhale, feed them whatever you dislike, and observe the complications totally caused by the thing you gave them and not the fact that they cannot physically move without a motorized 4 wheeled scooter which in fact has nothing to do with the type of food you eat.
My issue with this non-study is that it doesn't look like they forced sugar-drinking rats to work harder than rats that didn't gain those extra calories, nor did they mention any weight changes whatsoever. Why do I care? Because it has been proven that obesity can in fact cause brain damage. From cholesterol clogging your arteries and killing braincells that way to other random inflammations, this is the main way to turn into a vegetable. As if I need to tell you that obesity and retardation is literally inseparable. Of course, there are studies that "prove" that obesity doesn't lead to lower intelligence, but I wonder how did they test this considering your intelligence has to be low to become obese in the first place.