Martin Scorsese: I Said Marvel Movies Aren’t Cinema. Let Me Explain. (2019)(nytimes.com)
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Martin Scorsese: I Said Marvel Movies Aren’t Cinema. Let Me Explain. (2019)
https://www.nytimes.com/2019/11/04/opinion/martin-scorsese-marvel.html
https://www.nytimes.com/2019/11/04/opinion/martin-scorsese-marvel.html
But here's a comment based upon the pretense of the title at least.
Cinema, is in the eye of the beholder.
For someone who knows the usual trope of superhero comics and such, yes, there is nothing at risk. We (the comic book readers, etc) know very well that 99.999% of the time, the 'good' wins, and the 'bad' loses. Maybe not always right away. Maybe not even after some time has passed. But they always end up winning somehow. Always.
That 00.001% though that we know is likely to not happen, is still more than enough plausible capability for the 'bad' to win. Especially in the eyes of those who don't know any better, because they don't have the experience with the dried up and old tropes of superhero media.
In my opinion, it's this very thing that makes the anti-hero in other media so popular with so many people who are tired of the same old tropes being reused again and again.
Meanwhile, the average person will lap up anything Marvel tosses at them.
But note how I don't mention DC here? Why is that?
Because DC actually tries to add some level of complexity to their stories beyond "bad guy did thing, so now good people assemble, and take away bad guys toys."
And it's pretty often that it's a 'guy' who is bad in these no less. It's only with stuff like Wanda Vision that we see for once a female actually being given the cast of being the 'bad person' in Marvel stuff; and even then it can be argued she's going through some serious shit involving grief, depression and mania.
Did I describe that properly? I didn't even watch it.
Anyways. Marvel can be cinema. It just isn't for those who know better that it's mostly just a mental wankjob for the more or less morally simple people out there.
Meanwhile we have other things being made by (IMHO) much better companies that often gets people confused and so they don't like it. All because they try to not be simple enough a toddler can understand it.
So I agree with the premise, but only because of the human condition.
(P.S. This isn't to say all Marvel = bad. Just that they kind of have reached the bottom of their current barrel, and need to find a new one in some respects. They do release some pretty decent movies to sit back and relax with; but they aren't exactly "big think" kind of movies.)
Edit: Because the internet has a way of providing when you least expect it; here's a great example of how DC manages to make things 'more complex' in a way that is actually enjoyable.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u2kqS-nboQI