Gazans tell BBC of torture in Israeli detention(bbc.co.uk)
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Gazans tell BBC of torture in Israeli detention
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cn7vje365rno
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I think both sides have been using torture... only one side gets to appear on the BBC
suraci(3)
It appears that the IDF killed medics in ambulances with emergency lights on and high vis clothing, then lied about it. So nothing should surprise us at this point.
"BBC Verify analyses video showing Israel's killing of Gaza medics" https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/videos/cj9e22dezeno
"BBC Verify analyses video showing Israel's killing of Gaza medics" https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/videos/cj9e22dezeno
HN discussion: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=43599864 (86 comments)
No worries, US is gonna give them 4 billion in aid instead of 10 billion as punishment.
myth_drannon(2)
I have to tread lightly on this subject of course--
While I agree with calls for Hamas to "return the hostages," I feel exactly the same towards the thousands of Palestinians kept in Israeli prisons, often innocent, often without charge, often underage, often beaten, tortured, or sexually abused.
While I agree with calls for Hamas to "return the hostages," I feel exactly the same towards the thousands of Palestinians kept in Israeli prisons, often innocent, often without charge, often underage, often beaten, tortured, or sexually abused.
There are large protests of the fragile Israeli coalition government, by Jewish Israeli citizens, in Israel, every day. Specifically over this unpopular war. They flared up in size after the most recent cease fire ended.
It means that the global unpopularity of this war by non-Jewish non-Israeli people was always worth validating.
The culture of deflection in response to non-jewish people criticizing the exact same things that Jewish Israeli citizens are is just a meme worth ignoring. The general idea is that there is a belief that non-jewish people worldwide are thinly hiding a goal of eradication. A lot of Jewish and Israeli people are taught that from a young age, so its not easy for them to tell when people are only criticizing the exact same government policies that they are, with the same level of nuance.
It means that the global unpopularity of this war by non-Jewish non-Israeli people was always worth validating.
The culture of deflection in response to non-jewish people criticizing the exact same things that Jewish Israeli citizens are is just a meme worth ignoring. The general idea is that there is a belief that non-jewish people worldwide are thinly hiding a goal of eradication. A lot of Jewish and Israeli people are taught that from a young age, so its not easy for them to tell when people are only criticizing the exact same government policies that they are, with the same level of nuance.
Would you be able to explain how
> A lot of Jewish and Israeli people are taught [that non-jewish people worldwide are thinly hiding a goal of eradication] from a young age
this works? I'm not Jewish or Israeli, and would like to understand whether it's taught through religion or culture. And what "eradication" means in this context.
> A lot of Jewish and Israeli people are taught [that non-jewish people worldwide are thinly hiding a goal of eradication] from a young age
this works? I'm not Jewish or Israeli, and would like to understand whether it's taught through religion or culture. And what "eradication" means in this context.
There is a supporting history. Over the last millennium, Jewish people’s presence has aggravated their host country or they’ve been scapegoated many times. Resulting in a need for their swift exodus.
It is very recent that the West was favorable to Jewish people at all, on a country by country basis. With the most inroads occurring after some sects of Christianity latched on to the recreation of Israel as being part of their own prophecy.
So there is an understanding that even this is thin acceptance and symbiotic where both groups are pawns to the other without much care for understanding each other.
But there are people that question the government policies of Israel without questioning its right to be a government at all.
I can see why it’s ambiguous to distinguish, and the best defense is to invalidate opinion. Its just disingenuous when the stated opinions they are invalidating are the same opinions they and others hold within Israel and some Jewish communities: The military campaign is unpopular. The coalition government has no coherent way to meet its goals. Every choice the IDF makes isn’t “Hamas’ fault”.
It is very recent that the West was favorable to Jewish people at all, on a country by country basis. With the most inroads occurring after some sects of Christianity latched on to the recreation of Israel as being part of their own prophecy.
So there is an understanding that even this is thin acceptance and symbiotic where both groups are pawns to the other without much care for understanding each other.
But there are people that question the government policies of Israel without questioning its right to be a government at all.
I can see why it’s ambiguous to distinguish, and the best defense is to invalidate opinion. Its just disingenuous when the stated opinions they are invalidating are the same opinions they and others hold within Israel and some Jewish communities: The military campaign is unpopular. The coalition government has no coherent way to meet its goals. Every choice the IDF makes isn’t “Hamas’ fault”.
jfengel(1)
It's a genocide it's not a war
weatherlite(1)
Got any evidence for any of these allegations?
I'm not parent commenter, but TFA is primary reporting containing exactly the evidence you are asking about.
> men [...] held under Israel's Unlawful Combatants Law, a measure by which people suspected of posing a security risk can be detained for an unspecified period without charge, as Israel set out to recover the hostages and dismantle the proscribed terror group
which may or may not be distinct what parent comment refers to by Palestinian prisoners:
https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cn7vje365rno
The BBC article cites further related reporting:
https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cx2yylgze4ro
https://www.ohchr.org/sites/default/files/documents/hrbodies...
> men [...] held under Israel's Unlawful Combatants Law, a measure by which people suspected of posing a security risk can be detained for an unspecified period without charge, as Israel set out to recover the hostages and dismantle the proscribed terror group
which may or may not be distinct what parent comment refers to by Palestinian prisoners:
https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cn7vje365rno
The BBC article cites further related reporting:
https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cx2yylgze4ro
https://www.ohchr.org/sites/default/files/documents/hrbodies...
have you got any evidence to the contrary?
Israel has long used torture against Palestinian civilians. Some examples.
"Israel/OPT: Horrifying cases of torture and degrading treatment of Palestinian detainees amid spike in arbitrary arrests": https://www.amnesty.org/en/latest/news/2023/11/israel-opt-ho...
"Israel: Palestinian Healthcare Workers Tortured": https://www.hrw.org/news/2024/08/26/israel-palestinian-healt...
"Israel’s escalating use of torture against Palestinians in custody a preventable crime against humanity: UN experts": https://www.ohchr.org/en/press-releases/2024/08/israels-esca...
"Israel/OPT: Horrifying cases of torture and degrading treatment of Palestinian detainees amid spike in arbitrary arrests": https://www.amnesty.org/en/latest/news/2023/11/israel-opt-ho...
"Israel: Palestinian Healthcare Workers Tortured": https://www.hrw.org/news/2024/08/26/israel-palestinian-healt...
"Israel’s escalating use of torture against Palestinians in custody a preventable crime against humanity: UN experts": https://www.ohchr.org/en/press-releases/2024/08/israels-esca...