Why Tech Inevitability is Self-Defeating(deviantabstraction.com)
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Why Tech Inevitability is Self-Defeating
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Thank you for the comment and engaging with my thinking.
You're using hindsight to define inevitability, which is exactly the circular reasoning my essay critiques. "It happened widely, therefore it was inevitable" isn't a useful framework, it's survivorship bias.
Using your IC example: they became cheap because of massive government investment in the space program and military procurement, not natural law. The Apollo Guidance Computer alone drove early IC demand. Different policy choices = different outcome.
Personal computing almost died multiple times. Xerox PARC had it all in 1973 but management killed it. IBM thought the market was ~5 computers total. The Homebrew Computer Club was nearly shut down for copyright infringement. Any of these inflection points going differently changes history.
Your "no moat" observation is telling - you're really describing business strategy (technologies that spread can't be monopolized) not philosophical inevitability. But even that's questionable: TCP/IP could have lost to OSI, the Web to Gopher or AOL's walled garden.
The counterfactual test: if these were truly inevitable, we'd see simultaneous independent invention everywhere. Instead we see: singular inventors, path dependence, and technologies that almost weren't (or actually weren't: where's our supersonic passenger travel?).
Calling only successes "inevitable" while ignoring what didn't happen or was actively prevented (nuclear proliferation, human cloning, various chemicals/drugs) demonstrates the selection bias in this thinking.
You're using hindsight to define inevitability, which is exactly the circular reasoning my essay critiques. "It happened widely, therefore it was inevitable" isn't a useful framework, it's survivorship bias.
Using your IC example: they became cheap because of massive government investment in the space program and military procurement, not natural law. The Apollo Guidance Computer alone drove early IC demand. Different policy choices = different outcome.
Personal computing almost died multiple times. Xerox PARC had it all in 1973 but management killed it. IBM thought the market was ~5 computers total. The Homebrew Computer Club was nearly shut down for copyright infringement. Any of these inflection points going differently changes history.
Your "no moat" observation is telling - you're really describing business strategy (technologies that spread can't be monopolized) not philosophical inevitability. But even that's questionable: TCP/IP could have lost to OSI, the Web to Gopher or AOL's walled garden.
The counterfactual test: if these were truly inevitable, we'd see simultaneous independent invention everywhere. Instead we see: singular inventors, path dependence, and technologies that almost weren't (or actually weren't: where's our supersonic passenger travel?).
Calling only successes "inevitable" while ignoring what didn't happen or was actively prevented (nuclear proliferation, human cloning, various chemicals/drugs) demonstrates the selection bias in this thinking.
>Using your IC example: they became cheap because of massive government investment in the space program and military procurement, not natural law.
There is an underlying natural law to IC's being cheap without any government involvement because printing out circuits with chemicals and light like a photocopier is inherently cheaper than the alternatives of vacuum tubes or discrete components mounted on a board. (For non-trivial circuits where the count/complexity of components exceed the capital cost of lithography etc equipment.)
The privately funded researchers of Texas Instruments and Fairchild Semiconductor already knew integrated circuits would be more cost-effective before the inventions were finally solved. Eliminating the rising labor costs of wiring up old-style discrete components was the motivation to invent integrated circuits.
Therefore, it's not realistic to ponder an alternate history where a government bureaucrat in charge of military spending would have ignored the intrinsic physical properties of ICs and kept choosing vacuum tubes for 1970s F-15 and F-16 fighter jets because he believed "ICs are not inevitable because I have agency to make them not inevitable". Every other rational military on the globe would have chosen ICs which would make American equipment uncompetitive.
What government military contracts did was take intrinsically cheaper technology and fund more iterations to help make it even cheaper.
There is an underlying natural law to IC's being cheap without any government involvement because printing out circuits with chemicals and light like a photocopier is inherently cheaper than the alternatives of vacuum tubes or discrete components mounted on a board. (For non-trivial circuits where the count/complexity of components exceed the capital cost of lithography etc equipment.)
The privately funded researchers of Texas Instruments and Fairchild Semiconductor already knew integrated circuits would be more cost-effective before the inventions were finally solved. Eliminating the rising labor costs of wiring up old-style discrete components was the motivation to invent integrated circuits.
Therefore, it's not realistic to ponder an alternate history where a government bureaucrat in charge of military spending would have ignored the intrinsic physical properties of ICs and kept choosing vacuum tubes for 1970s F-15 and F-16 fighter jets because he believed "ICs are not inevitable because I have agency to make them not inevitable". Every other rational military on the globe would have chosen ICs which would make American equipment uncompetitive.
What government military contracts did was take intrinsically cheaper technology and fund more iterations to help make it even cheaper.
I agree that physical and economic constraints matter, but the point I’m making is that cost curves themselves are contingent on human choices. ICs didn’t suddenly become cheap on their own; they became cheap because governments and corporations poured billions into scaling them. That’s not denying the underlying advantage, but showing how rhetoric of inevitability erases the political and economic decisions that actually drive those curves.
> ICs didn’t suddenly become cheap on their own; they became cheap because governments and corporations poured billions into scaling them.
That isn't insightful at all.
High returns on high scales of investment are MORE attractive. More "inevitable", even for mundane technologies.
The unbound economics of returns on intelligence without human limitations, and the downsides of being left behind (everything from lost employment to existential military threats), are the most convincing argument for technological investment ever.
The only thing not "inevitable" is how the returns will be distributed. With no end to the competition needed to stay relevant.
"Intelligence" is quite literally "THE" technology of technologies.
This is the most massive step in the form and capabilities of life on Earth, happening in real time, not a marginal improvement in user interfaces. Nothing living will be able to sit this out.
That isn't insightful at all.
High returns on high scales of investment are MORE attractive. More "inevitable", even for mundane technologies.
The unbound economics of returns on intelligence without human limitations, and the downsides of being left behind (everything from lost employment to existential military threats), are the most convincing argument for technological investment ever.
The only thing not "inevitable" is how the returns will be distributed. With no end to the competition needed to stay relevant.
"Intelligence" is quite literally "THE" technology of technologies.
This is the most massive step in the form and capabilities of life on Earth, happening in real time, not a marginal improvement in user interfaces. Nothing living will be able to sit this out.
> Personal computing almost died multiple times. Xerox PARC had it all in 1973 but management killed it. IBM thought the market was ~5 computers total. The Homebrew Computer Club was nearly shut down for copyright infringement. Any of these inflection points going differently changes history.
Yes, history would be different, but that doesn't mean ICs and PCs weren't inevitable. As technology improves the capital required to innovate drops. At some point hobbyists can start making ICs at home. I think something like this happened with 3D printing.
> The counterfactual test: if these were truly inevitable, we'd see simultaneous independent invention everywhere. Instead we see: singular inventors, path dependence, and technologies that almost weren't (or actually weren't: where's our supersonic passenger travel?).
I disagree. Inevitability means that something will manifest at some point on a long enough timeline, not that it will necessarily manifest nearly concurrently on that timeline. Concurrent invention happens a lot and is a strong argument for inevitability, but isn't strictly necessary for inevitability.
For example, death is inevitable, even if we solve aging; we know you won't involuntarily die of old age in such a world, but you will die of something else, even if it's the heat death of the universe.
Yes, history would be different, but that doesn't mean ICs and PCs weren't inevitable. As technology improves the capital required to innovate drops. At some point hobbyists can start making ICs at home. I think something like this happened with 3D printing.
> The counterfactual test: if these were truly inevitable, we'd see simultaneous independent invention everywhere. Instead we see: singular inventors, path dependence, and technologies that almost weren't (or actually weren't: where's our supersonic passenger travel?).
I disagree. Inevitability means that something will manifest at some point on a long enough timeline, not that it will necessarily manifest nearly concurrently on that timeline. Concurrent invention happens a lot and is a strong argument for inevitability, but isn't strictly necessary for inevitability.
For example, death is inevitable, even if we solve aging; we know you won't involuntarily die of old age in such a world, but you will die of something else, even if it's the heat death of the universe.
An interesting counterpoint to the inevitability of ICs: Consider East Germany's semiconductor industry. They had state backing and proof of viability but they still couldn't generate a competitive product.
Making things is _hard_, and embodied expertise is critical.
Making things is _hard_, and embodied expertise is critical.
Great example. Thanks a lot! Can I add it my essay?
Sure! I'd recommend you use a more reliable reference than some dude online vaguely recalling a something he read four+ years ago :)
I think the concepts are inevitable, not so much the specific implementations. PCs were an inevitable stop on the fairly standard adoption path from many workers to one machine (Mainframes), 1:1 (PCs), many machines to one worker (I have at least 10 computers within arms reach right now). IBM/Windows/Apple weren't inevitable, they were just manifestations of that. ICs weren't inevitable, but commoditized computer parts were. TCP wasn't inevitable, but a lingua franca for networks was. LLMs weren't inevitable, but AI is.
To your overall point though, and to the contrary of the type of thinking you're critiquing, the timing of these things is not inevitable. Computers didn't have to happen in the 50s, they could easily have waited 50 or 100 years if we didn't have things like wars or other technological breakthroughs that enabled them. For AI we might be stuck on incremental improvements on LLMs for a generation, or they might be obsolete in 5 years. They will be replaced by something better at some point, but confusing (intentionally or not) inevitable with soon is where the hype proves itself hollow.
To your overall point though, and to the contrary of the type of thinking you're critiquing, the timing of these things is not inevitable. Computers didn't have to happen in the 50s, they could easily have waited 50 or 100 years if we didn't have things like wars or other technological breakthroughs that enabled them. For AI we might be stuck on incremental improvements on LLMs for a generation, or they might be obsolete in 5 years. They will be replaced by something better at some point, but confusing (intentionally or not) inevitable with soon is where the hype proves itself hollow.
> Computers didn't have to happen in the 50s, they could easily have waited 50 or 100 years if we didn't have things like wars or other technological breakthroughs that enabled them.
Not really. While all the Government-funded stuff was going on, International Business Machines was slowly advancing their business machines. There was a long path from the IBM 601 (1931, mechanical multiplication, plugboard programmed), the IBM 602 (1946, mechanical division), the IBM 602A ("a 602 that worked"), the IBM 603 (1946, multiplication and division with vacuum tubes, but still plugboard programmed), the IBM 604 (1948, with 1,250 tubes), and finally the IBM 650 (1954, true stored program, tube logic, drum main memory, Knuth's first computer.) The government-funded machines were more advanced but very low volume. All of the 600 series machines were mass-produced and had long operating careers making businesses go.
Transistors had to progress more before IBM business computers became transistorized. The IBM 1401. (1959, all transistor, 12,000 built) launched business computing in a big way. From then on, the business side, rather than the government side, drove the technology. All that would have happened without WWII. WWII held up the IBM 603 electronic multiplier by several years; IBM was trying out electronic arithmetic in the late 1930s.
Not really. While all the Government-funded stuff was going on, International Business Machines was slowly advancing their business machines. There was a long path from the IBM 601 (1931, mechanical multiplication, plugboard programmed), the IBM 602 (1946, mechanical division), the IBM 602A ("a 602 that worked"), the IBM 603 (1946, multiplication and division with vacuum tubes, but still plugboard programmed), the IBM 604 (1948, with 1,250 tubes), and finally the IBM 650 (1954, true stored program, tube logic, drum main memory, Knuth's first computer.) The government-funded machines were more advanced but very low volume. All of the 600 series machines were mass-produced and had long operating careers making businesses go.
Transistors had to progress more before IBM business computers became transistorized. The IBM 1401. (1959, all transistor, 12,000 built) launched business computing in a big way. From then on, the business side, rather than the government side, drove the technology. All that would have happened without WWII. WWII held up the IBM 603 electronic multiplier by several years; IBM was trying out electronic arithmetic in the late 1930s.
That distinction is really useful. My critique is aimed at how often “inevitability talk” blurs those two levels together. It’s one thing to say “networks need a lingua franca,” it’s another to say “TCP/IP was inevitable.” When people collapse the concept into the specific implementation, that’s when the rhetoric becomes persuasive but misleading.
You examples with human cloning and some chemicals/drugs plus potentially nuclear energy being first favored then disfavored (now seems to be getting back to favors) are telling; it shows that outside the pure properties of technology itself, a lot depends on a given society/civilization value systems and who gets to decide what's important and allowed and what's not
> The counterfactual test: if these were truly inevitable, we'd see simultaneous independent invention everywhere
I don't think there is any reason to think that " a technology was inevitable" implies that the technology would be invented simultaneously in multiple places
I don't think there is any reason to think that " a technology was inevitable" implies that the technology would be invented simultaneously in multiple places
- Nuclear weapons - not inevitable. Uranium separation is so hard that somebody had to spend billions to get it to work at all. It wasn't clear that fission could be made to work.
Looking at the issue in this way moves it from rhetoric to reality.
> Internal combustion engine - inevitable
This fails to account for competing technologies. If batteries were good enough at the time when we sought to build cars we might've skipped ICE entirely and gone all in on electric cars.
At any point in time there are multiple possible outcomes. The one that ends up being dominant seems so in retrospect because it has been refined and we can follow all the events leading up to it. But we don't see all the paths that failed selection because they weren't competitive enough at that point in time compared to the alternative.
This fails to account for competing technologies. If batteries were good enough at the time when we sought to build cars we might've skipped ICE entirely and gone all in on electric cars.
At any point in time there are multiple possible outcomes. The one that ends up being dominant seems so in retrospect because it has been refined and we can follow all the events leading up to it. But we don't see all the paths that failed selection because they weren't competitive enough at that point in time compared to the alternative.
You seem to link cars and ICEs, while ICEs predated cars by a century.
Ok sure but electric cars predated ice cars. That's what I was thinking of. We could've skipped ice cars entirely if other enabler technologies were mature enough at the time.
So the ice car wasn't inevitable. It was the car that we could build at that time given the technology we had. So it was only inevitable given the context. Change the context, change the outcome.
So the ice car wasn't inevitable. It was the car that we could build at that time given the technology we had. So it was only inevitable given the context. Change the context, change the outcome.
I would only note that having fuel available was not inevitable and we just happen to be lucky that we have lots of plant matter that got changed into easily accessible oil. This is one of the reasons why humanity is kind of cooked if there is a major war or collapse of civilization. That easy energy is gone
After reading “The Making Of The Atomic Bomb” I came away with the impression that development of nuclear bombs was 100% inevitable after 1938 when the German scientists proved splitting uranium isotope could sustain a chain reaction. All of the top physicists in the world instantly knew this could be used to create a super weapon. Every power in WWII had a nuclear program but only 1 had the resources to execute on it. Being the only country with a nuke is basically a checkmate on the world order and game theory demands it be created once it was known it was possible
What's your definition of a moat?
There's a reason Norway makes a lot of money from oil while Greenland doesn't. I'm not sure why the word moat doesn't apply here?
Sure, with enough money you can overcome any moat but to me that's the whole argument behind a moat. We have something right now that a competitor would need to spend a lot to reach and during that time we can just get ahead of them.
If you have an existing iron mine and coal, to me you have a moat over generic competitor in creating steel because you already have suppliers for your steel mill lined up. Although some may argue that those are actually anchors and that you could import both of them for cheaper and then supply your mill that way.
There's a reason Norway makes a lot of money from oil while Greenland doesn't. I'm not sure why the word moat doesn't apply here?
Sure, with enough money you can overcome any moat but to me that's the whole argument behind a moat. We have something right now that a competitor would need to spend a lot to reach and during that time we can just get ahead of them.
If you have an existing iron mine and coal, to me you have a moat over generic competitor in creating steel because you already have suppliers for your steel mill lined up. Although some may argue that those are actually anchors and that you could import both of them for cheaper and then supply your mill that way.
>Note that none of the inevitable technologies have a "moat".
Ironically, despite not having a moat, the inevitable technologies have been however far more lucrative.
With a few more examples I can make the point stronger.
Inevitable: printing press, vaccines, refrigeration, social media Not inevitable: reusable rockets, CRISPR, GPS, high speed rail
Ironically, despite not having a moat, the inevitable technologies have been however far more lucrative.
With a few more examples I can make the point stronger.
Inevitable: printing press, vaccines, refrigeration, social media Not inevitable: reusable rockets, CRISPR, GPS, high speed rail
> You’ll say, “They got lucky, it had to happen, if not them someone else.
Well. If you look at the previous examples of sudden technological breakthroughs, it's kind of amazing how many things were suddenly invented almost simultaneously yet independently.
But then, of course, some things just straight up failed to be invented e.g. Chinese-style wheelbarrow in the West.
Well. If you look at the previous examples of sudden technological breakthroughs, it's kind of amazing how many things were suddenly invented almost simultaneously yet independently.
But then, of course, some things just straight up failed to be invented e.g. Chinese-style wheelbarrow in the West.
But then, of course, some things just straight up failed to be invented e.g. Chinese-style wheelbarrow in the West.
Thanks for this remark. This was really interesting: "How to Downsize a Transport Network: The Chinese Wheelbarrow"
https://solar.lowtechmagazine.com/2011/12/how-to-downsize-a-...
Thanks for this remark. This was really interesting: "How to Downsize a Transport Network: The Chinese Wheelbarrow"
https://solar.lowtechmagazine.com/2011/12/how-to-downsize-a-...
Excellent link! Thank you.
Yes. The probability of people inventing something seems to vary widely from "everybody can sustain that problem for centuries until somebody has a good idea" to "the moment people know the requirements, everybody will invent this".
And it's very unlikely that we can know where any invention falls on that distribution before it's made. We may not even be certain about some after they are made.
Anybody talking about tech inevitability or some universal version of the Great Men theory (in support or rejection) is wrong.
And it's very unlikely that we can know where any invention falls on that distribution before it's made. We may not even be certain about some after they are made.
Anybody talking about tech inevitability or some universal version of the Great Men theory (in support or rejection) is wrong.
This is shallow. Game theory and coordination is the answer. Otherwise it's the same depth level as "if only the soldiers just stopped shooting at each other, the war would end".
Thanks for engaging. I think you meant it's obvious rather than shallow? If so, yes I agree but a lot of my friends disagree so I wrote this as rigorously as possible to explain why this is obvious.
That being said, regarding game theory and coordination: Wars DO end when people change the game's parameters. WWI's Christmas Truce happened despite every incentive against it. Catalonia chose not to pursue independence despite having voted for it. The Montreal Protocol solved ozone depletion despite classic tragedy of the commons dynamics.
My point isn't that coordination is easy - it's that treating it as impossible becomes self-fulfilling. When tech leaders invoke inevitability via game theory, they're choosing to accept those constraints rather than working to change them.
That being said, regarding game theory and coordination: Wars DO end when people change the game's parameters. WWI's Christmas Truce happened despite every incentive against it. Catalonia chose not to pursue independence despite having voted for it. The Montreal Protocol solved ozone depletion despite classic tragedy of the commons dynamics.
My point isn't that coordination is easy - it's that treating it as impossible becomes self-fulfilling. When tech leaders invoke inevitability via game theory, they're choosing to accept those constraints rather than working to change them.
> My point isn't that coordination is easy - it's that treating it as impossible becomes self-fulfilling.
While I see what you are getting at, and I think its super important we come up with philosophical frameworks to push back on the central idea in question (ie, the moral hazard of "its gonna happen anyway so why not pour a little more into the river").... I think your writing/responses miss the central point.
As I see it, the fundamental issue with this essay, and your responses, is you keep conflating impossible with probability zero. People are saying "this is inevitable" to mean this has probability 1 of occurring, with basic game theory reasoning (its a giant iterative prisoners dilemna), and your response "but it's possible". Yes, with measure zero.
Telling us that such a path surely exists isn't useful. If you want to push back on "inevitability" you need to find a credible path with probability > 0 (which is not the same as impossible).
While I see what you are getting at, and I think its super important we come up with philosophical frameworks to push back on the central idea in question (ie, the moral hazard of "its gonna happen anyway so why not pour a little more into the river").... I think your writing/responses miss the central point.
As I see it, the fundamental issue with this essay, and your responses, is you keep conflating impossible with probability zero. People are saying "this is inevitable" to mean this has probability 1 of occurring, with basic game theory reasoning (its a giant iterative prisoners dilemna), and your response "but it's possible". Yes, with measure zero.
Telling us that such a path surely exists isn't useful. If you want to push back on "inevitability" you need to find a credible path with probability > 0 (which is not the same as impossible).
Thanks for your thoughtful response. I think there's a misunderstanding (maybe my text wasn't clear. If so please point out where so I can fix it).
We actually agree: even if the probability of successful coordination is only 10%, accepting inevitability makes it 0%. That difference matters enormously given the stakes. My argument isn't "coordination is definitely possible" but rather "believing it's impossible guarantees failure." When tech leaders say "AGI is inevitable," they're not describing reality; they're shaping it by discouraging attempts to coordinate. Human cloning hasn't happened because we maintain active resistance despite technical feasibility.
You're asking for credible paths with P > 0. I'm saying: knowing P with certainty is impossible, so accepting P = 1 narratives makes alternative paths invisible. The path emerges through trial and error, not before it.
We actually agree: even if the probability of successful coordination is only 10%, accepting inevitability makes it 0%. That difference matters enormously given the stakes. My argument isn't "coordination is definitely possible" but rather "believing it's impossible guarantees failure." When tech leaders say "AGI is inevitable," they're not describing reality; they're shaping it by discouraging attempts to coordinate. Human cloning hasn't happened because we maintain active resistance despite technical feasibility.
You're asking for credible paths with P > 0. I'm saying: knowing P with certainty is impossible, so accepting P = 1 narratives makes alternative paths invisible. The path emerges through trial and error, not before it.
> When tech leaders say "AGI is inevitable," they're not describing reality; they're shaping it by discouraging attempts to coordinate.
No, they're describing reality. As I posted in another comment, progress in technology drops capital requirements for innovation. Even if there's global coordination to stop AGI development right now, progress in tech means that in 30 years someone in their basement could do what OpenAI is doing right now but with commodity hardware. Preventing this would require an oppressive regime controlling basic information technology and knowledge to an extent that isn't palatable to anyone.
No, they're describing reality. As I posted in another comment, progress in technology drops capital requirements for innovation. Even if there's global coordination to stop AGI development right now, progress in tech means that in 30 years someone in their basement could do what OpenAI is doing right now but with commodity hardware. Preventing this would require an oppressive regime controlling basic information technology and knowledge to an extent that isn't palatable to anyone.
"They're describing reality" - No, they're making predictions about the future. If AGI requires 30 years of compute improvements as you say, then it's not reality, it's a forecast contingent on those 30 years of development continuing unimpeded.
As for "oppressive regime", we already do this for nuclear and biotech, and most people find it quite palatable! Nuclear materials are tightly controlled globally. Cloning humans is illegal almost everywhere. We've had the knowledge for both for decades, yet basement nukes and basement human clones aren't happening.
I'm not saying we should make it illegal, I'm just saying there are more gray areas than what's generally accounted for.
As for "oppressive regime", we already do this for nuclear and biotech, and most people find it quite palatable! Nuclear materials are tightly controlled globally. Cloning humans is illegal almost everywhere. We've had the knowledge for both for decades, yet basement nukes and basement human clones aren't happening.
I'm not saying we should make it illegal, I'm just saying there are more gray areas than what's generally accounted for.
> No, they're making predictions about the future. If AGI requires 30 years of compute improvements as you say, then it's not reality, it's a forecast contingent on those 30 years of development continuing unimpeded.
The idea that you can develop "good" information technology without enabling the creation of "bad" information technology is pure fantasy, and if your idea is actually that we could halt the progress of information technology wholesale, then that's laughable, sorry to say. Hence the inevitability.
> As for "oppressive regime", we already do this for nuclear and biotech, and most people find it quite palatable!
You mean we do this for raw materials that have inherent scarcity because they are somewhat rare, difficult to mine, and difficult to refine? And you think this natural scarcity is somehow comparable to natural abundance that follows from digital information that can be trivially copied at perfect fidelity?
Furthermore, you've misunderstood what was meant by "oppressive regime". The same technologies that allow us to email each other, make family photo albums and forecast the weather or the stock market are what also enable AI. There is no way in which to suppress AI without also suppressing these other benign uses that everyone enjoys and that enable considerable productivity. This is not comparable to the technology and raw materials for nuclear weapons.
> We've had the knowledge for both for decades, yet basement nukes and basement human clones aren't happening.
You seem awfully confident about declaring the non-existence of something that's inherently underground and thus difficult to measure.
But let's make the comparison of AI to cloning more apt: how confident would you be that cloning won't happen once the knowledge of how to construct artificial wombs is discovered? Now reconsider those probabilities about if such wombs also easy to construct with readily available materials. That's the reality of information technology.
The idea that you can develop "good" information technology without enabling the creation of "bad" information technology is pure fantasy, and if your idea is actually that we could halt the progress of information technology wholesale, then that's laughable, sorry to say. Hence the inevitability.
> As for "oppressive regime", we already do this for nuclear and biotech, and most people find it quite palatable!
You mean we do this for raw materials that have inherent scarcity because they are somewhat rare, difficult to mine, and difficult to refine? And you think this natural scarcity is somehow comparable to natural abundance that follows from digital information that can be trivially copied at perfect fidelity?
Furthermore, you've misunderstood what was meant by "oppressive regime". The same technologies that allow us to email each other, make family photo albums and forecast the weather or the stock market are what also enable AI. There is no way in which to suppress AI without also suppressing these other benign uses that everyone enjoys and that enable considerable productivity. This is not comparable to the technology and raw materials for nuclear weapons.
> We've had the knowledge for both for decades, yet basement nukes and basement human clones aren't happening.
You seem awfully confident about declaring the non-existence of something that's inherently underground and thus difficult to measure.
But let's make the comparison of AI to cloning more apt: how confident would you be that cloning won't happen once the knowledge of how to construct artificial wombs is discovered? Now reconsider those probabilities about if such wombs also easy to construct with readily available materials. That's the reality of information technology.
If this were so, I've yet to see any explanation that accounts for why human cloning has been so successfully prevented, even though it's relatively inexpensive technology, to the point that we have (had?) pet cloning companies selling it as a consumer service.
1. How do you know human cloning has been prevented? Maybe you mean it's not provided as a commercial service, but does that entail it's not happening at all?
2. Preventing the manifestation of physical objects is a lot easier than preventing the dissemination of pure information. AIs are easy to copy, easy to run, and can assist in their own creation, advancement and proliferation, and it only gets easier over time. For an apt analogy, consider a cloning lab where every clone that escaped was compelled to create their own cloning lab, and everything you needed could be bought at any corner store.
3. All cloning requires existing biological organisms to participate at various stages. You need not only the biologists on board, but also the surrogate that has to carry the fetus to term. What do you think will happen when artificial wombs become available?
2. Preventing the manifestation of physical objects is a lot easier than preventing the dissemination of pure information. AIs are easy to copy, easy to run, and can assist in their own creation, advancement and proliferation, and it only gets easier over time. For an apt analogy, consider a cloning lab where every clone that escaped was compelled to create their own cloning lab, and everything you needed could be bought at any corner store.
3. All cloning requires existing biological organisms to participate at various stages. You need not only the biologists on board, but also the surrogate that has to carry the fetus to term. What do you think will happen when artificial wombs become available?
1. Because neither Elon Musk nor Kim Jong-Un have a clone. That is, if human cloning were being carried out, we'd see clones of famous and/or powerful people. Is there some chance it happened in a lab somewhere and kept extremely secret? Sure. Is it a technology that's available to the groups that could pay for it? No, it would be very visible (eventually, at least).
2. Computers powerful enough to train AI are also physical objects, ones that consume gigantic amounts of power as well. Maybe some day we'll have computers that can train Claude on 50kW of power running in your pocket, but maybe not. There are fundamental limits to how much computation you can get per watt, and we're getting closer to them. So, preventing AI may be as simple as banning use of any computer cluster that consumes more than some wattage, say 1000kW, without government audit, while also banning research into more computationally efficient ways of doing AI.
3. This is not a real problem, since some biologists that are into cloning may have wombs of their own to gestate the clone. Artifical wombs, even cheap ones, would change nothing in relation to cloning (except maybe reduce the diversity of rogue cloning research teams - angering the criminal enterprise DEI department, I'm sure).
2. Computers powerful enough to train AI are also physical objects, ones that consume gigantic amounts of power as well. Maybe some day we'll have computers that can train Claude on 50kW of power running in your pocket, but maybe not. There are fundamental limits to how much computation you can get per watt, and we're getting closer to them. So, preventing AI may be as simple as banning use of any computer cluster that consumes more than some wattage, say 1000kW, without government audit, while also banning research into more computationally efficient ways of doing AI.
3. This is not a real problem, since some biologists that are into cloning may have wombs of their own to gestate the clone. Artifical wombs, even cheap ones, would change nothing in relation to cloning (except maybe reduce the diversity of rogue cloning research teams - angering the criminal enterprise DEI department, I'm sure).
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"Supersonic flight once looked inevitable until people stopped it."
Things only happen if we make them happen. Game theory can make it hard to keep everyone from taking some action, but we can change the rules of the game to punish defectors more.
Things only happen if we make them happen. Game theory can make it hard to keep everyone from taking some action, but we can change the rules of the game to punish defectors more.
yes that's exactly what I was trying to convey. Technology is a human byproduct so we are collectively in charge.
This reminds me of a similar article that might have been posted on here about tech now focusing on hype as the product.
https://rys.io/en/180.html#hype-is-the-product
> In fact, increasingly, hype is the only thing that counts, as larger and larger chunk of investment money is chasing it – to the detriment of everything else that happens not to bolt the hyped tech onto its unrelated but otherwise solid product or service.
> The bubble grows. The line goes up.
> Because the hype is the product.
https://rys.io/en/180.html#hype-is-the-product
> In fact, increasingly, hype is the only thing that counts, as larger and larger chunk of investment money is chasing it – to the detriment of everything else that happens not to bolt the hyped tech onto its unrelated but otherwise solid product or service.
> The bubble grows. The line goes up.
> Because the hype is the product.
> This reminds me of a similar article that might have been posted on here about tech now focusing on hype as the product.
It kind of reminds me of the money-manking strategy where someone buys a business with a good reputation, debases its products, then profits from the (temporary) price premium it can still charge due to is prior reputation.
These people are well on the way to ruining tech's reputation, but they don't care because they hope to get rich(er) in the process.
It kind of reminds me of the money-manking strategy where someone buys a business with a good reputation, debases its products, then profits from the (temporary) price premium it can still charge due to is prior reputation.
These people are well on the way to ruining tech's reputation, but they don't care because they hope to get rich(er) in the process.
The premise of the article hinges on the fact that it's hard to make predictions, especially about the future:
> ... it’s impossible for us to know if a prediction is inevitable or not.
But I think that ignores that some predictions are more likely to happen than others. For example, here are two predictions:
1. ASI will be achieved in the next ten years.
2. LLMs will have a large impact on the economy in the next ten years.
I'm sure it's debatable, but I think prediction #2 is very likely to be true--I would say it's almost inevitable. But I don't think #1 is inevitable.
> ... it’s impossible for us to know if a prediction is inevitable or not.
But I think that ignores that some predictions are more likely to happen than others. For example, here are two predictions:
1. ASI will be achieved in the next ten years.
2. LLMs will have a large impact on the economy in the next ten years.
I'm sure it's debatable, but I think prediction #2 is very likely to be true--I would say it's almost inevitable. But I don't think #1 is inevitable.
You're absolutely right that predictions exist on a probability spectrum. I focused on the binary for rhetorical clarity, but you're correct that some predictions are more likely than others.
That being said, it doesn't change my point about agency. Your prediction #2 (LLMs impacting the economy) seems "almost inevitable" precisely because thousands of people are actively working to make it true. If everyone stopped tomorrow - if OpenAI, Anthropic, Google, etc., all pivoted to other projects - would it still be inevitable?
The appearance of inevitability comes from observing massive coordinated human effort toward a goal, then mistaking that effort for natural law. It's like watching a thousand people pushing a boulder uphill and concluding "that boulder inevitably goes up."
That being said, it doesn't change my point about agency. Your prediction #2 (LLMs impacting the economy) seems "almost inevitable" precisely because thousands of people are actively working to make it true. If everyone stopped tomorrow - if OpenAI, Anthropic, Google, etc., all pivoted to other projects - would it still be inevitable?
The appearance of inevitability comes from observing massive coordinated human effort toward a goal, then mistaking that effort for natural law. It's like watching a thousand people pushing a boulder uphill and concluding "that boulder inevitably goes up."
I get that--and it's a good point. But large groups of people do tend to be predictable under certain situations. Is anyone surprised that people hoard staples (toilet paper, etc.) during a crisis?
It reminds me of the time a Scientific American columnist ran a contest. The idea was to submit a number on a postcard. The person who submitted the highest number would win $1 million divided by the winning number.
The publishers almost nixed the contest. They didn't actually have $1 million to give away and they were worried. But the columnist assured them that there was no chance the prize would be even one dollar. As you might expect, the winning number was so ridiculously large that no money had to be sent.
As for LLMs affecting the economy, I think my only uncertainty is in how long it will take for them to be integrated. I think we all agree that even in their current state, they are valuable for certain tasks (e.g., language translation). I'm pretty sure they are economically viable for 90% of support calls. Are they going to displace software developers? Lawyers? Doctors? Even if they don't, the effects will still be large.
If we agree that they are economically viable, then I don't see how they don't have an impact. If a technology saves businesses money, it is going to get deployed. The only wildcard would be regulatory blocks or legislative bans. But you know China is not going to give up on the technology, so any bans will be reversed or circumvented (we'll import products/services from China).
Now, if you don't think LLMs in their current state are economically viable/valuable, then none of that will happen. But (a) that's a different argument, and (b) then people will inevitably choose NOT to deploy LLMs.
I get the desire for agency. I certainly wish I had more control over the course of the future. But people's behavior (in large groups) is almost always downstream of external events. Fukushima has an accident and Germany chooses to give up nuclear power. Inflation in the US goes up and people vote for Donald fraking Trump.
Maybe there will be some event--a Fukushima for AI--that causes a mass change. But absent that, I think LLMs are here to stay.
It reminds me of the time a Scientific American columnist ran a contest. The idea was to submit a number on a postcard. The person who submitted the highest number would win $1 million divided by the winning number.
The publishers almost nixed the contest. They didn't actually have $1 million to give away and they were worried. But the columnist assured them that there was no chance the prize would be even one dollar. As you might expect, the winning number was so ridiculously large that no money had to be sent.
As for LLMs affecting the economy, I think my only uncertainty is in how long it will take for them to be integrated. I think we all agree that even in their current state, they are valuable for certain tasks (e.g., language translation). I'm pretty sure they are economically viable for 90% of support calls. Are they going to displace software developers? Lawyers? Doctors? Even if they don't, the effects will still be large.
If we agree that they are economically viable, then I don't see how they don't have an impact. If a technology saves businesses money, it is going to get deployed. The only wildcard would be regulatory blocks or legislative bans. But you know China is not going to give up on the technology, so any bans will be reversed or circumvented (we'll import products/services from China).
Now, if you don't think LLMs in their current state are economically viable/valuable, then none of that will happen. But (a) that's a different argument, and (b) then people will inevitably choose NOT to deploy LLMs.
I get the desire for agency. I certainly wish I had more control over the course of the future. But people's behavior (in large groups) is almost always downstream of external events. Fukushima has an accident and Germany chooses to give up nuclear power. Inflation in the US goes up and people vote for Donald fraking Trump.
Maybe there will be some event--a Fukushima for AI--that causes a mass change. But absent that, I think LLMs are here to stay.
Interesting, beautifully written; I especially like the ending:
"Inevitability is rhetoric, not truth. Predictions aren’t laws of nature, they are acts of persuasion. And because no one can ever know how much is determined and how much is open, the only rational stance is to live as agents. Supersonic flight once looked inevitable until people stopped it. You, too, have already reshaped the world once; you can do it again. Don’t give away your power."
"Inevitability is rhetoric, not truth. Predictions aren’t laws of nature, they are acts of persuasion. And because no one can ever know how much is determined and how much is open, the only rational stance is to live as agents. Supersonic flight once looked inevitable until people stopped it. You, too, have already reshaped the world once; you can do it again. Don’t give away your power."
thanks a lot! I appreciate it
I’m not an expert on American history, but this attitude feels a bit like a modern day adaptation of ‘manifest destiny’.
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> “X is inevitable” → Stop trying to change it
This is the logic flaw that got my attention.
If you’re told something’s inevitable, ask who’s claiming that and why.
Are they trying to beat you to the punch?
Do they want you to give in and buy their thing?
This is the logic flaw that got my attention.
If you’re told something’s inevitable, ask who’s claiming that and why.
Are they trying to beat you to the punch?
Do they want you to give in and buy their thing?
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I wrote an essay critiquing Silicon Valley’s obsession with calling technologies “inevitable.” I argue that inevitability isn’t a fact but a rhetorical move that erases agency and responsibility. What if we treated predictions not as destiny, but as challenges?
Manifestations of the inevitable are older than what sillyvalley is cooking with (or coked up on), even older than the Manifest Destiny. Some pin it to the Renaissance, as opposed to the "dark ages" prior. Tagging the prior age dark (dark... that must be bad, right? We don't want to be on the bad team, right?) of course is a rhetorical move.
> I wrote an essay critiquing Silicon Valley’s obsession with calling technologies “inevitable.” I argue that inevitability isn’t a fact but a rhetorical move that erases agency and responsibility. What if we treated predictions not as destiny, but as challenges?
This essay?
You are right. And I'd bet Silicon Valley is aping this bit of neoliberal rhetoric: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/There_is_no_alternative.
> TINA (as characterized by explicit use of "there is no alternative" and declarations of necessity, inevitability, and irrefutability of certain policies) can be considered a political strategy in both democratic and autocratic regimes. Its rhetoric allows politicians to reduce the scope of available policy choices, limiting the expectations of their electorate and avoiding the blame for bad, but "unescapable" policies.
> TINA allows decisions to appear not as a political choice, but as a matter of adherence to universal truth and common sense. Due to the switch from public deliberations to following the expert opinions, debates are shortened, and therefore input of an individual voter is diminished, so TINA is politically paternalistic.
Tech salesmen want you to think you have no choice but buy what they are selling and that you cannot resist a world where they sell more.
This essay?
You are right. And I'd bet Silicon Valley is aping this bit of neoliberal rhetoric: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/There_is_no_alternative.
> TINA (as characterized by explicit use of "there is no alternative" and declarations of necessity, inevitability, and irrefutability of certain policies) can be considered a political strategy in both democratic and autocratic regimes. Its rhetoric allows politicians to reduce the scope of available policy choices, limiting the expectations of their electorate and avoiding the blame for bad, but "unescapable" policies.
> TINA allows decisions to appear not as a political choice, but as a matter of adherence to universal truth and common sense. Due to the switch from public deliberations to following the expert opinions, debates are shortened, and therefore input of an individual voter is diminished, so TINA is politically paternalistic.
Tech salesmen want you to think you have no choice but buy what they are selling and that you cannot resist a world where they sell more.
Some tech really is inevitable.
e.g. RISC-V is inevitable.
e.g. RISC-V is inevitable.
Do you hear that Mr. Anderson?
There is also a great article about the same subject from Tom Renner: https://tomrenner.com/posts/llm-inevitabilism/
Sam, Elon, Zuck are conmen, husks of people, empty inside and not knowing what to do with themselves but hoard money. In their pointless quest to become the proverbial dragon on a mountain of gold, they are trying to control, bully and manipulate the world to their vision of how it should be.
We know how this goes:
- Facebook contributed to multiple atrocities and genocides, actively promoted warlords and dictators
- Twitter after being acquired from Musk is just an echo chamber of fascism and white supremacy and misinformation
- Sam...is just..a slimy dude. He made a coup in something that was supposed to be free and open, and made it ugly and about money and profits, riding on the work of idealists and forgetting all his pledges and manifestos just in the pursuit of money
Those people rising to power and prominence is not inevitable. If only they had childhood validation, I think they might have turned out to be normal people and done less harm to the world. Sadly, they were probably neglected as children or dropped on their head repeatedly. I blame the parents.
Sam, Elon, Zuck are conmen, husks of people, empty inside and not knowing what to do with themselves but hoard money. In their pointless quest to become the proverbial dragon on a mountain of gold, they are trying to control, bully and manipulate the world to their vision of how it should be.
We know how this goes:
- Facebook contributed to multiple atrocities and genocides, actively promoted warlords and dictators
- Twitter after being acquired from Musk is just an echo chamber of fascism and white supremacy and misinformation
- Sam...is just..a slimy dude. He made a coup in something that was supposed to be free and open, and made it ugly and about money and profits, riding on the work of idealists and forgetting all his pledges and manifestos just in the pursuit of money
Those people rising to power and prominence is not inevitable. If only they had childhood validation, I think they might have turned out to be normal people and done less harm to the world. Sadly, they were probably neglected as children or dropped on their head repeatedly. I blame the parents.
Thanks for the link to Tom Renner's article. I've read it and agree with it.
I wrote this essay to convince "unbelievers" that's why I tried to be as rigorous as I could
I wrote this essay to convince "unbelievers" that's why I tried to be as rigorous as I could
Musk has said a lot about getting badly bullied at school, those bullies were probably bullied at home as well :/
TL;DR: Think for yourself.
- Personal computing - inevitable. Once ICs became cheap, it started happening, with no one effort dominating.
- Moon landing - not inevitable. Huge resource commitment required, and not repeated since.
- Internal combustion engine - inevitable. Once fuels and steel were available, it was possible to contain the explosion of an IC engine, and many people started making them.
- Nuclear weapons - not inevitable. Uranium separation is so hard that somebody had to spend billions to get it to work at all. It wasn't clear that fission could be made to work.
- Radio - inevitable. Once something with gain and something that rectifies were invented, radio was something many people could work upon.
- Steel - interesting case. Steel is thousands of years old, but mass production of steel only dates to 1880. It took considerable metallurgical research to get it right, with about 10,000 tries before the Bessemer converter worked reliably. No one had done that before, and one person did it.
- "AI", via the machine learning route - inevitable. The concepts date from the 1960s, but it took half a century of IC development to make them feasible.
Looking at the issue in this way moves it from rhetoric to reality.
Note that none of the inevitable technologies have a "moat".