Show HN: Tusk for macOS and Gnome(shapemachine.xyz)
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Show HN: Tusk for macOS and Gnome
https://shapemachine.xyz/tusk/
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Yes, I can do that. Personally, I'm not a fan of Apple (or Google) tax. But I understand why notarization helps the end user.
>helps the end user
I can't recall thinking much of it just a couple of short years ago...
Oh thank you! Yes, spinning up incredibly convincing projects is too cheap, and I'm uh changing my security posture or something like that. Mulling it over at least. (And of course: these comments are NOT at all specific to this project in particular! Speaking very generally here.)
Thanks :)
I can't recall thinking much of it just a couple of short years ago...
Oh thank you! Yes, spinning up incredibly convincing projects is too cheap, and I'm uh changing my security posture or something like that. Mulling it over at least. (And of course: these comments are NOT at all specific to this project in particular! Speaking very generally here.)
Thanks :)
Had the same thought, I can suggest JetBrains Datagrip (paid software), works really well for me
I'm a long time user of JetBrains myself. The reason I made Tusk was:
* JetBrains does bloated Java instead of bloated Electron. Tusk is truly native to the OS.
* JetBrains does upsell higher tiers. Tusk does not. Especially won't offer an AI service in the tool that connects to your databases.
* DevTools should not distract the user. VS Code was an OG offender, but JetBrains too has too many notifications.
* Tusk is offline, doesn't connect back to a server for telemetry, updates, Ai, or anything else.
* JetBrains does bloated Java instead of bloated Electron. Tusk is truly native to the OS.
* JetBrains does upsell higher tiers. Tusk does not. Especially won't offer an AI service in the tool that connects to your databases.
* DevTools should not distract the user. VS Code was an OG offender, but JetBrains too has too many notifications.
* Tusk is offline, doesn't connect back to a server for telemetry, updates, Ai, or anything else.
I'm not against using Tusk by any means, native apps can be a lot nicer. I love using Rapid API’s Paw over Postman every day.
But…
> * JetBrains does bloated Java instead of bloated Electron. Tusk is truly native to the OS.
The bloat in JetBrains is negligible comparedy to what it can do and its predecessor eclipse.h
> * JetBrains does upsell higher tiers. Tusk does not. Especially won't offer an AI service in the tool that connects to your databases.
I have never really seen this as an issue except when opening a new project and even then it’s small notifications.
> * Tusk is offline, doesn't connect back to a server for telemetry, updates, Ai, or anything else.
This is probably true but JetBrains is not totally unusable offline.
I wouldn’t completely dismiss JetBrains but everyone has their preferences for whatever suits them better.
But…
> * JetBrains does bloated Java instead of bloated Electron. Tusk is truly native to the OS.
The bloat in JetBrains is negligible comparedy to what it can do and its predecessor eclipse.h
> * JetBrains does upsell higher tiers. Tusk does not. Especially won't offer an AI service in the tool that connects to your databases.
I have never really seen this as an issue except when opening a new project and even then it’s small notifications.
> * Tusk is offline, doesn't connect back to a server for telemetry, updates, Ai, or anything else.
This is probably true but JetBrains is not totally unusable offline.
I wouldn’t completely dismiss JetBrains but everyone has their preferences for whatever suits them better.
> "The bloat in JetBrains is negligible comparedy to what it can do and its predecessor eclipse.h"
Yes. It depends what you compare it with.
> "I have never really seen this as an issue except when opening a new project and even then it’s small notifications."
Tend to agree with you — but I still find it unacceptable to receive notification "ads" for upsells or plugins in a devtool.
I prefer zero-distractions in devtools, and this was the case mostly for a very long time.
> "This is probably true but JetBrains is not totally unusable offline."
Good point.
Not dismissing JetBrains — I was a happy paying customer for over a decade. :)
They're struggling to keep up with a rapidly evolving devtools market.
Thankfully, I / Tusk has no commercial obligations — so I can make it exactly to my liking and taste.
Yes. It depends what you compare it with.
> "I have never really seen this as an issue except when opening a new project and even then it’s small notifications."
Tend to agree with you — but I still find it unacceptable to receive notification "ads" for upsells or plugins in a devtool.
I prefer zero-distractions in devtools, and this was the case mostly for a very long time.
> "This is probably true but JetBrains is not totally unusable offline."
Good point.
Not dismissing JetBrains — I was a happy paying customer for over a decade. :)
They're struggling to keep up with a rapidly evolving devtools market.
Thankfully, I / Tusk has no commercial obligations — so I can make it exactly to my liking and taste.
This looks great, definitely going to take it for a spin tomorrow.
I'm pretty happy at the moment editing in vim invoked from psql with \e - which has been my setup for way more than a decade now, but I do miss isql (Query Analyzer) from SQL Server 2000, which was just about perfect.
I'm pretty happy at the moment editing in vim invoked from psql with \e - which has been my setup for way more than a decade now, but I do miss isql (Query Analyzer) from SQL Server 2000, which was just about perfect.
Thanks. Let me know which OS you're on. I suspect macOS might have more users, and deserves more attention.
Linux and Gnome.
While macOS might have more uses, there's more database clients already fighting it out.
While macOS might have more uses, there's more database clients already fighting it out.
Haha, fair enough — but I'm a GNOME user 70% and macOS 30% myself — so the GNOME version is getting a lot of love.
I took it for a test spin just now and I'm impressed. Some notes:
- to get it to run (on Fedora) I had to manually installed python3-keyring first
- connected with ease, that part is really smooth
- I like the ability to easily flick through the tabs on objects and see the relevant data
- took me a while to work out how to create a new query, expected to be open a query window then save the file rather than create a file/query at once (unless I'm missing something) - usually I want to query first and only save if needed
- UI is really nice, fits in perfectly
- would be nice to be able to collapse/hide the file chooser in the bottom left when I'm not using it
Also, and I understand it's probably a pile of work, but a graphical view of explain would be amazing. This isn't a feature request, I'm sure there's plenty of other stuff that needs attention first :)
Great work, thank you for sharing.
- to get it to run (on Fedora) I had to manually installed python3-keyring first
- connected with ease, that part is really smooth
- I like the ability to easily flick through the tabs on objects and see the relevant data
- took me a while to work out how to create a new query, expected to be open a query window then save the file rather than create a file/query at once (unless I'm missing something) - usually I want to query first and only save if needed
- UI is really nice, fits in perfectly
- would be nice to be able to collapse/hide the file chooser in the bottom left when I'm not using it
Also, and I understand it's probably a pile of work, but a graphical view of explain would be amazing. This isn't a feature request, I'm sure there's plenty of other stuff that needs attention first :)
Great work, thank you for sharing.
> but a graphical view of explain would be amazing. This isn't a feature request, I'm sure there's plenty of other stuff that needs attention first :)
Oh, and, tomorrow, the first version of visualization of Explain will be shipped as well. :)
Oh, and, tomorrow, the first version of visualization of Explain will be shipped as well. :)
Thanks for the detailed feedback and positive words.
I still need to figure out correct packaging on OS's I don't use (Fedora RPM for example).
By end of this week, I'll incorporate some of your feedback into the roadmap. Ty.
I still need to figure out correct packaging on OS's I don't use (Fedora RPM for example).
By end of this week, I'll incorporate some of your feedback into the roadmap. Ty.
Thanks. To be honest I'm going to start using it already. I think being able to easily open a new blank query is the main thing. ctrl+n. That's how I start most of my investigations.
Makes sense, I'll ship ctrl+n -> new sql file in active folder tomorrow. It's been merged.
Also stumbled across https://postgresgui.com/ a few days ago. Looks similar in scope, and open source as well. Though you need to build it yourself to not pay.
Looks interesting ! I'm a fan of https://eggerapps.at/postico2/ personally but I'll check it out
Thanks, let me know how it feels.
Interesting, looks like it's two completely separate implementations, one in Swift and one in Python.
It is exactly that. The macOS and GNOME versions share the same vision, but they are entirely different codebases.
Are the Gnome features planned to be ported to macOS? Frozen columns and cancelable queries are pretty vital things!
Yes. Definitely, those two will be ported soon, among some others.
Shipped those two today.
So is this like phpmyadmin but runs locally and talks to postgres not mysql/maria?
Correct. And, it's a native desktop app, not a web app.
Awesome, finally! Are you planning to integrate with Postgres.app?
Curious. What type of integration are you looking for?
Postgres.app is server-only, no?
Postgres.app is server-only, no?
Postgres.app can launch an interactive psql session for you. Directly launching Tusk would be even better.
This looks fantastic. I would sponsor for AWS IAM auth.
Thanks James - I'd welcome that - You have my email (in the app or in the HN profile) - let's connect and iron out what's needed.
Quick poll — Are you macOS or GNOME?
Quick poll — Are you macOS or GNOME?
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This is awesome! Thank you for building it!
You are welcome. Would love to hear your feedback.
Developers adopting mobile toolkits (libadwaita) for desktop apps are degrading the Linux experience
- less information density
- wasted space
- phone tier UX
- optimized for touch screens
- lacks depth
Lazy convergence that ignores how people actually use desktops
- less information density
- wasted space
- phone tier UX
- optimized for touch screens
- lacks depth
Lazy convergence that ignores how people actually use desktops
I haven't used the app yet, but from the screenshots it appears to follow the GNOME Human Interface Guidelines [1].
You may disagree with said guidelines, of course, but the author can't reasonably be criticised for following the platform standards.
[1]: https://developer.gnome.org/hig/
You may disagree with said guidelines, of course, but the author can't reasonably be criticised for following the platform standards.
[1]: https://developer.gnome.org/hig/
Try it please. This feels alright on GNOME in terms of visual density.
The rest is subjective. But Adwaita / Gnome is what's on my machine, so I follow their design principles.
The rest is subjective. But Adwaita / Gnome is what's on my machine, so I follow their design principles.
definitely running this tomorrow first thing in the morning
Would love to get your feedback!
Website says "native" but it's an Electron app.
Is it possible that the [x Telemetry] [x Electron] and [x Subscription] means that the app does not have those things?
If that's so, it's really poorly communicated. I strongly recommend full sentences for that.
it's exactly that, just less good choice for webUI, it was not clear to me at first either
I second this. To me the styling looks like tags and conveys the opposite meaning.
* noted
It says (No Electron) now. They probably fixed it.
It is not electron. Look at the source code.
The bullets appear to be suggestive tags not an inverse-feature list. Which is the confusion, perhaps changing the “x” to a red or “cancel” symbol (circle with line through it).
"Non Features: No Electron. No telemetry. No subscription."
Really appreciate the design from the screenshots.
Is it a few hero sponsors away from notarization, by the way? :)