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Right. But most developers aren't server admins and don't want to be.
I press a few buttons and a server is up and ready! :)
I press a few buttons and a server is up and ready! :)
Right. And I meant, manual provisioning as the "worst" case, but even that shouldn't take 30 minutes.
I vaguely remember LAMP VPS hostings from years ago, and I believe they mostly had 1-click installs for popular software. Here is a random video I've Googled up: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QwlNBTvFfCA (2009), showing installing Wordpress from Plesk. Installation took 8 minutes even with verbose explanations for every step. How your service is different?
I vaguely remember LAMP VPS hostings from years ago, and I believe they mostly had 1-click installs for popular software. Here is a random video I've Googled up: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QwlNBTvFfCA (2009), showing installing Wordpress from Plesk. Installation took 8 minutes even with verbose explanations for every step. How your service is different?
Of course. But 1 minute is better than 30, right?
And then you have to maintain it.
And then you have to maintain it.
Relatedly, DigitalOcean has WordPress or a LAMP stack as default imaging options.
I'm sorry but if you're a cloud service and you have specifically targeted a static HTML page to Hacker News, even to the point of where the title is "Hello Hacker News", you should do everything in your power, even if it means creating a special S3 bucket, to make sure it does not 404.
The regular homepage still seems to work (with missing assets)...but not to sound too cranky, but it was irritating to see the claim of "10+ FRAMEWORKS" and not see the list anywhere on the site. The closest I saw to a list of these "10+ FRAMEWORKS" is waiting for the banner animation to cycle through all the PHP frameworks it supports ("Jumpstarter is an addictively fast and easy way to work with web frameworks like [wait for framework's name to fade in]")
I even clicked all the links I could find. "About" goes to the staff mugshots, "Help" goes to a support center, and the Blog link goes nowhere.
C'mon...
The regular homepage still seems to work (with missing assets)...but not to sound too cranky, but it was irritating to see the claim of "10+ FRAMEWORKS" and not see the list anywhere on the site. The closest I saw to a list of these "10+ FRAMEWORKS" is waiting for the banner animation to cycle through all the PHP frameworks it supports ("Jumpstarter is an addictively fast and easy way to work with web frameworks like [wait for framework's name to fade in]")
I even clicked all the links I could find. "About" goes to the staff mugshots, "Help" goes to a support center, and the Blog link goes nowhere.
C'mon...
I'm going to stick my hand up and say "My fault." We're updating the website a lot right now and it takes a little for Cloudfare to repropogate everything.
About – The people are the about. We could write a story about who we are and what we do - I agree. But that's not the most important task any of us could have done. Help going to the support center is standard. Blog is being removed.
Appreciate the feedback though :)
About – The people are the about. We could write a story about who we are and what we do - I agree. But that's not the most important task any of us could have done. Help going to the support center is standard. Blog is being removed.
Appreciate the feedback though :)
Sorry, to be clear, I clicked on those links to find the 10 frameworks and any other kind of information about it as a product. Each of those links could conceivably be a place for such information
We will put special landing pages for each framework up eventually. But for now, everyone knows what Wordpress, etc is and what to expect within the framework.
Is there any more information you'd love to know and think should be included that you're looking for now about those frameworks and what we do with them?
Is there any more information you'd love to know and think should be included that you're looking for now about those frameworks and what we do with them?
Agreed. A simple list was wanted, but not found. Something as simple as the following on any of the pages:
Wordpress
Drupal
Joomla
CodeIgniter
Symfony
CakePHP
Laravel
Yii
Angular
Magento
Wordpress
Drupal
Joomla
CodeIgniter
Symfony
CakePHP
Laravel
Yii
Angular
Magento
We've put the list up on the homepage now :)
Thank you.
Although I'm now confused. The list in the animation at the top is: Wordpress, Drupal, Joomla, CodeIgniter, Symfony, CakePHP, Laravel, Yii, Angular, Magento
While the subsequent list is: Wordpress, Drupal, Magento, CodeIgniter, CakePHP, OpenCart, Joomla, Concrete5, Kohana, phpBB, Symfony
So are Laravel, Yii, Angular, OpenCart, Concrete5, Kohana, and phpBB up and running, coming soon, or just possibilities?
And with the, "(Also vanilla HTML and PHP/MySQL)." bit, does that mean someone could also run something like MediaWiki, just without Jumpstarter flow?
Although I'm now confused. The list in the animation at the top is: Wordpress, Drupal, Joomla, CodeIgniter, Symfony, CakePHP, Laravel, Yii, Angular, Magento
While the subsequent list is: Wordpress, Drupal, Magento, CodeIgniter, CakePHP, OpenCart, Joomla, Concrete5, Kohana, phpBB, Symfony
So are Laravel, Yii, Angular, OpenCart, Concrete5, Kohana, and phpBB up and running, coming soon, or just possibilities?
And with the, "(Also vanilla HTML and PHP/MySQL)." bit, does that mean someone could also run something like MediaWiki, just without Jumpstarter flow?
They'll still have Jumpstarter flow – they just won't get the 1-Click ability and it won't be customised for that particular framework.
Each framework we offer generally comes with a customised stack in one way or another. :)
Each framework we offer generally comes with a customised stack in one way or another. :)
Jumpstarter is the kind of product that just leaves people in awe. I've shown it both to developer friends and to my girlfriend and the reaction has always been the same: "How can I get an invite?".
It's so nice that you're finally in Beta and that you get to show the world what you've been working on for so long. Congrats guys!
It's so nice that you're finally in Beta and that you get to show the world what you've been working on for so long. Congrats guys!
I was keen to understand how it works and what this "flow" thing is, as the technical premise is really quite interesting. So I click on the video... and start hearing the xylophone... and say "uh oh".
Folks, I have good feelings about good tools, but I don't get them from watching videos of people talking about how they get good feelings from their tools. The promotional video has obvious high production values but lacks any description of what "flow" is/does. It is the 2010s hipster equivalent of zombo.com.
Tell me what it is, what it compares to, how it's different/new/novel. Putting it politely, I place very low value in how it makes some random people "feel" or what sound effects it causes them to emit, and the fact that that comprises the sole content of the video makes the whole thing suspect.
Folks, I have good feelings about good tools, but I don't get them from watching videos of people talking about how they get good feelings from their tools. The promotional video has obvious high production values but lacks any description of what "flow" is/does. It is the 2010s hipster equivalent of zombo.com.
Tell me what it is, what it compares to, how it's different/new/novel. Putting it politely, I place very low value in how it makes some random people "feel" or what sound effects it causes them to emit, and the fact that that comprises the sole content of the video makes the whole thing suspect.
The idea is firstly to take the pain out of hosting, rethink a lot of things (how people collaborate, and use it - think forking and merging like Git.
The idea is to help be people's tech partner as they innovate and create, taking some of the pain away and giving them more time.
I hope I explained it better? :)
The idea is to help be people's tech partner as they innovate and create, taking some of the pain away and giving them more time.
I hope I explained it better? :)
As a dev, completely get the need. Yes, most of my day-to-day job is making a small change or reproducing a bug locally, testing, and then deploying. Setting up that loop has been harder than I want to admit and is the reason I know maven, ant, chef AND puppet, Jenkins, and gradle as well as I do. In many ways I wish I didn't have to!
That said, my friendly advice would be to pick one framework and environment combination and solve this problem end to end. Node would be a perfect start. Show me how to use your project to make node dev shorter and easier. If I believe you I will use you and node for new projects. I'm not going to switch an existing project to jumpstart because I've already set up the flow. Maybe I'm weird, but I demand single-command builds and deploys. All my projects already have it. But I'm willing to learn new techs to avoid the pain.
I see your landing page and take away you have lofty goals and are trying to be all things to all people. Don't. Pick one. Focus. Be the best at it. Make a YouTube video that shows me how you get 1-second whatever. It's especially puzzling when you don't have a demo video but you have a produced ad on "flow." It's hard to believe your product has substance during this launch.
I'm willing to switch to angular and node (or hipster.js and kitkat.io -- whatever, it doesn't really matter) to get what you advertise. For new projects. I won't touch existing stuff. It means I have to test and am likely to break something by moving to your project in prod. Nobody ever changes their build scripts!
That said, my friendly advice would be to pick one framework and environment combination and solve this problem end to end. Node would be a perfect start. Show me how to use your project to make node dev shorter and easier. If I believe you I will use you and node for new projects. I'm not going to switch an existing project to jumpstart because I've already set up the flow. Maybe I'm weird, but I demand single-command builds and deploys. All my projects already have it. But I'm willing to learn new techs to avoid the pain.
I see your landing page and take away you have lofty goals and are trying to be all things to all people. Don't. Pick one. Focus. Be the best at it. Make a YouTube video that shows me how you get 1-second whatever. It's especially puzzling when you don't have a demo video but you have a produced ad on "flow." It's hard to believe your product has substance during this launch.
I'm willing to switch to angular and node (or hipster.js and kitkat.io -- whatever, it doesn't really matter) to get what you advertise. For new projects. I won't touch existing stuff. It means I have to test and am likely to break something by moving to your project in prod. Nobody ever changes their build scripts!
I totally agree. That's why the team has focused on PHP and PHP frameworks mostly for now. Getting the scripts as right as possible over the months.
And we've been using respected members of the other language communities to build up the stacks.
I know for someone like me I want one hosting account for everything if I can. I hate multiple accounts and it's nice to just see everything in one place.
And we've been using respected members of the other language communities to build up the stacks.
I know for someone like me I want one hosting account for everything if I can. I hate multiple accounts and it's nice to just see everything in one place.
Totally get the strategy, though I was writing PHP apps 10 years ago... I would be hard pressed to go back, especially after having touched YII last year. PHP is legacy today, right or wrong.
My point is twofold: First, it's very important to nail a trending language and framework. Right now that is a short list of Go, pure-JavaScript (firebase + angular), node, and maybe django. You are going after mindshare of hackers. You have to pick the trendy environments. The whole reason people left PHP to rails was the YouTube video where the guy typed "rails server" and magically stuff just worked. You need to do the same for the short list above.
Second, you have to show the benefit of your product. Seeing is believing. Nothing else will substitute.
While this is the anonymous Internet and you know nothing about me, at least do some gut checks with the current uni kids. Best of luck!
My point is twofold: First, it's very important to nail a trending language and framework. Right now that is a short list of Go, pure-JavaScript (firebase + angular), node, and maybe django. You are going after mindshare of hackers. You have to pick the trendy environments. The whole reason people left PHP to rails was the YouTube video where the guy typed "rails server" and magically stuff just worked. You need to do the same for the short list above.
Second, you have to show the benefit of your product. Seeing is believing. Nothing else will substitute.
While this is the anonymous Internet and you know nothing about me, at least do some gut checks with the current uni kids. Best of luck!
It is somewhat legacy, and I personally don't use a ton of it. But the designer world loves it - new frameworks are constantly still coming out on PHP.
I stopped using PHP so much for that very video. It's very like DHH's video, that's what we're aiming to do.
Appreciate it.
I stopped using PHP so much for that very video. It's very like DHH's video, that's what we're aiming to do.
Appreciate it.
+1 on creating a developer centric intro video. Having tried your product, I know that a video like that would get serious traction on a place like HN.
I agree. One of my priorities is to create a developer landing page specifically.
Again, really appreciate the feedback :)
Again, really appreciate the feedback :)
is 2013, you would think Django and Rails would be part of this. PHP already has a ton of support on the web.
It's part of the plan. We're working together with people like Chad Fowler to bring that to life. But this is the initial launch with a smaller offering for now.
Awesome! really looking forward to it this is very useful, thanks.
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Once my favourite framework is installed, will you abstract out most of the common configuration / maintenance / tuning steps as well? Or will I have to ssh in and do that by hand?
We're trying to make it as few clicks as possible. If you have any requests feel free to mention them through http://help.jumpstarter.io/
We're really keen on working with the community.
We're really keen on working with the community.
Same for me, Page not fund.
If it's clicks instead of keystrokes though, that's music to my ears!
If it's clicks instead of keystrokes though, that's music to my ears!
I'm not able to access that page.
"Oops! Google Chrome could not find help.jumpstarter.io"
"Oops! Google Chrome could not find help.jumpstarter.io"
We're using Desk.com - There status page seems to suggest they had no issues. I'll have a look and see if I can locate the problem.
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The status page link is online and will track any page outages. http://jumpstarter.statuspage.io
I really like the idea, but please include Node.JS or Ruby.
Being actively worked on! :)
So what is this when it's not being knocked over by the flood of HNers?
Try again. CDN should be holding now.
Looks interesting!
How much is this? What timescales do you charge by?
How much is this? What timescales do you charge by?
Free for development, fixed fee per project per month for live hosting.
Sounds good, any decision so far on the pricing per month?
Rather than picking a number out the air, we're going to use the next few weeks to see people's usage so we can give the fairest price for the service.
We're working on what we think is the best for everyone and will announce it when we decide :)
We're working on what we think is the best for everyone and will announce it when we decide :)
Cough
> instead of spending between 30 minutes to 12 hours on it like you are doing right now
I'd say, half an hour is awfully a lot for even for a manual provisioning with `apt-get install wordpress` or `tar xvzf wordpress*.tar`.