The Rising Appeal of Apprenticeship(nytimes.com)
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The Rising Appeal of Apprenticeship
http://www.nytimes.com/2015/07/14/business/economy/a-new-look-at-apprenticeships-as-a-path-to-the-middle-class.html
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In Switzerland it's common to start an apprenticeship after 9 years of school if you have an idea what you want to do. Turning just sweet sixteen I did one myself as an "Application Developer" in the airline industry. This lasted four years and gave me some kind of diploma - not exactly a degree in CS, but I gained enough experience to get a well paid job with some responsibilities afterwards. During the apprenticeship the salary is more or less symbolic.
Now at the age of 30 I've almost 10 years of experience in the real world, and never had any debt to pay off (although higher education is also very affordable in Switzerland). The nature of software engineering (e.g. contributing to open source projects, learning by doing, etc.), a sense of responsibility and a natural hunger for wisdom is in my experience enough material for a good position. Many of my friends, including myself, never did a bachelor or master degree but became great engineers and project leaders nevertheless. What often matters more than deep theoretical understanding is actually doing things such as dealing with pressure, deadlines and customers, getting along with a team and solving complex problems in an pragmatic way, because that's what actually happens in most of the jobs. I don't say this is the better way to go, instead I want to say that having a certain academic degree should not be seen as the only promising career path.
Same here. It works really well if you are passionate about what you do.
You can definitely be an effective professional software engineer via apprenticeship. For me, being able to get into the workforce and then double back via the university to get more fundamental / theoretical training in computer science was much preferable to taking the traditional route.
I was a high school teacher in a past life and always felt like apprenticeship would be an excellent model to replace the very-much-flawed teaching credentialing system.
It makes quite a bit of sense to go back to more archaic learning methods. I don't mean that in a snarky way, but only for lack of a better term to describe very very old. Apprenticeships were how the average population learned prior to colleges becoming a normal thing. If you wanted to learn how to make chainmail, you had to get an apprenticeship with a blacksmith - learning was done on-the-job. You didn't go to college and learn how to make armor, farm, write literature and then just get whatever job when you got out. You started at a filthy young age in that one craft.
Nowadays, college educations are worth basically nothing. You're not thought to be any smarter than the next guy and unless you go to a really well known institution that provides you esteem and wealthy connections, it's essentially just an advanced High School degree.
The point I'm getting at is - and I've seen this in the occasional job search I've done - the Generalist role is dead. In theory, it makes sense, wouldn't 5 people with general knowledge more slowly build a worse product than 5 different experts? Experts are always wanted and that only comes through years of dedication to that craft. And you simply cannot get that in college. On a side note... I think College is just a 6 figure right-of-passage into adulthood and learning how to feed yourself, become responsible enough to wake up on time, and find good friends.
Nowadays, college educations are worth basically nothing. You're not thought to be any smarter than the next guy and unless you go to a really well known institution that provides you esteem and wealthy connections, it's essentially just an advanced High School degree.
The point I'm getting at is - and I've seen this in the occasional job search I've done - the Generalist role is dead. In theory, it makes sense, wouldn't 5 people with general knowledge more slowly build a worse product than 5 different experts? Experts are always wanted and that only comes through years of dedication to that craft. And you simply cannot get that in college. On a side note... I think College is just a 6 figure right-of-passage into adulthood and learning how to feed yourself, become responsible enough to wake up on time, and find good friends.
The problem with Apprenticeships is they evolve slowly. AKA, you probably don't want to be a buggy whip apprentice.
The real advantage of a high level generalist education is it enables on the job training. Someone with a 2.5 GPA from a reputable collage can do most jobs in the US with an additional 1 year of training. But, someone with a 8th grade education plus 8 years working as a landscaper is far more limited should say a back problem force them into a more sedentary occupation.
The real advantage of a high level generalist education is it enables on the job training. Someone with a 2.5 GPA from a reputable collage can do most jobs in the US with an additional 1 year of training. But, someone with a 8th grade education plus 8 years working as a landscaper is far more limited should say a back problem force them into a more sedentary occupation.
> Someone with a 2.5 GPA from a reputable collage can do most jobs in the US with an additional 1 year of training.
Oh really? Which employers will pay to train you for a year?
Oh really? Which employers will pay to train you for a year?
Further, let me list the jobs that probably this doesn't apply to: doctor, nurse, engineer, lawyer, programmer (probably), scientist, actuary, machinist, welder, etc. This represents a lot of jobs in the US.
Now a list of jobs that you can train for in a year, but which don't need a 4 year degree: truck driver, construction worker, retail employee, many restaurant staff, janitorial, basically anything in the general service industry. This is also a lot of jobs.
Maybe you could name 10-20 jobs which do fall under the general degree plus a year of training?
Now a list of jobs that you can train for in a year, but which don't need a 4 year degree: truck driver, construction worker, retail employee, many restaurant staff, janitorial, basically anything in the general service industry. This is also a lot of jobs.
Maybe you could name 10-20 jobs which do fall under the general degree plus a year of training?
Edit: in the general case, I would replace on the job with 1 year job specific training. Companies may or may not offer this as on the job training depending on the demand, but 6mo-1yr retraining is not a major issue.
There is a huge realm of office jobs that take basic collage level skills. EX: Software tester, receptionist, Manager, etc. (Substitute) Teaching is another huge area that often takes collage education, but many states have a 3.0 GPA requirement.
Many companies will higher programmers without the background, granted you’re not going to make much but it's a start.
The US military for example will train you to be a welder or machinist in less than 1 year. Depending on demand the same thing can happen in private industry but you’re starting doing true grunt work.
Nursing is something of a grey area. You can quickly become an orderly without a related background and there are various levels of certifications necessary to do various types of nursing. EMT takes collage level general skills + 6 months training though again you don't need a degree just that level of basic skill.
The Police are another area that takes people without any background training and may require a degree.
PS: That's not to say some high school students could not succeed at these jobs with similar training. However the demonstrated skills associated with a collage degree are significantly higher.
There is a huge realm of office jobs that take basic collage level skills. EX: Software tester, receptionist, Manager, etc. (Substitute) Teaching is another huge area that often takes collage education, but many states have a 3.0 GPA requirement.
Many companies will higher programmers without the background, granted you’re not going to make much but it's a start.
The US military for example will train you to be a welder or machinist in less than 1 year. Depending on demand the same thing can happen in private industry but you’re starting doing true grunt work.
Nursing is something of a grey area. You can quickly become an orderly without a related background and there are various levels of certifications necessary to do various types of nursing. EMT takes collage level general skills + 6 months training though again you don't need a degree just that level of basic skill.
The Police are another area that takes people without any background training and may require a degree.
PS: That's not to say some high school students could not succeed at these jobs with similar training. However the demonstrated skills associated with a collage degree are significantly higher.
Yup! Even with the slow movement, I think apprenticeship can be a great deal. So long as the job is something that's general enough.
I'm talking plumbers, electricians, etc. There will always be broken toilets and bad wiring.
I'd be more concerned about apprenticeship in the ship foundry that the article mentions. That seems like a much more specialized market.
I'm talking plumbers, electricians, etc. There will always be broken toilets and bad wiring.
I'd be more concerned about apprenticeship in the ship foundry that the article mentions. That seems like a much more specialized market.
I would love to apprentice someone at my next job but please, theoretical future employer, leave me time and energy enough to actually train them.
Hiring skilled labor in the cabinet business is quite difficult, also. In many ways, our industry now relies on what are essentially apprenticeships where you start as a basic worker and learn skills on the job. Unfortunately, the "learn skills on the job" isn't necessarily part of the employment contract, but an unspoken perk. And the employers frequently need part-time work, or can't afford to maintain full-time employees under training.
Having a system that produced trained woodworkers would make this labor market much better, since most small businesses can't really afford apprentices. They could, however, likely do well to have fully trained employees available. Of the handful of cabinet makers I know, all but one of them were hobbyist woodworkers first. The one who wasn't is Swiss where he grew up and was trained in cabinetmaking instead of university.
Having a system that produced trained woodworkers would make this labor market much better, since most small businesses can't really afford apprentices. They could, however, likely do well to have fully trained employees available. Of the handful of cabinet makers I know, all but one of them were hobbyist woodworkers first. The one who wasn't is Swiss where he grew up and was trained in cabinetmaking instead of university.
As usual, it sounds like employers are unwilling to actually pay to train their employees, but still expect all prospective employees to have real-world training. This applies to pretty much every industry right now, the skilled trades are no different.
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I've not seen any equivalent programs in the US for woodworking.
I've not seen any equivalent programs in the US for woodworking.
Years ago I wanted to make an apprenticeship locator / pairing service website. It also was going to have apprenticeship certification mixed in there. I believe apprenticeships done well can replace the majority of (but certainly not all) college degrees. Completing a certified apprenticeship should be as good of an endorsement as a college degree (or better!). So many fields, it would probably be better: advertising, insurance, journalism, programming.
If anybody wants to take this and run with it, please do. Just hit me up to brainstorm at some point, I'd love to flesh out the idea more with like-minded entrepreneurs.
If anybody wants to take this and run with it, please do. Just hit me up to brainstorm at some point, I'd love to flesh out the idea more with like-minded entrepreneurs.
> Completing a certified apprenticeship should be as good of an endorsement as a college degree (or better!).
It could be good way to turn out trained people. Maybe, anyway; I have my doubts. But consider that training will never provide the same kind of endorsement as a liberal education--while reasonable, if perhaps short-sighted, people may disagree, for my money that's a worse endorsement for creating well-rounded people who can be dropped into a foreign situation and thrive.
This criticism extends to the glorified tech-school approach of many bachelor-of-science degrees, thinking about it; I have a B.A. in computer science, not a B.S., and the most valuable classes I ever took, not just in my work life but my personal one, were microeconomics and political science. I wouldn't have had time to take either within a B.S. program.
It could be good way to turn out trained people. Maybe, anyway; I have my doubts. But consider that training will never provide the same kind of endorsement as a liberal education--while reasonable, if perhaps short-sighted, people may disagree, for my money that's a worse endorsement for creating well-rounded people who can be dropped into a foreign situation and thrive.
This criticism extends to the glorified tech-school approach of many bachelor-of-science degrees, thinking about it; I have a B.A. in computer science, not a B.S., and the most valuable classes I ever took, not just in my work life but my personal one, were microeconomics and political science. I wouldn't have had time to take either within a B.S. program.
Agreed. I've got a B.S. in Biochemistry and I'm sad about all the liberal arts classes I missed out on. I audited a philosophy class and I still think about it often.
However I've found that if you want to continue learning, being a programmer is a good place to be. It's pretty acceptable to read wikipedia during your breaks and we get paid enough to have guitar tutors.
However I've found that if you want to continue learning, being a programmer is a good place to be. It's pretty acceptable to read wikipedia during your breaks and we get paid enough to have guitar tutors.
Remedial work's always there, sure. But you have to know what you don't know, at least in outline.
A lot of my liberal arts classes were things I didn't necessarily like. But I know enough to have a framework to learn more about them and about related topics.
A lot of my liberal arts classes were things I didn't necessarily like. But I know enough to have a framework to learn more about them and about related topics.
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Who certifies these apprenticeships(assuming you're not talking about the Trades)? The typical Trades are typically handled by the State/Province.
It's easier in Trades, where things are fairly static and there's set standards.
Who certifies these apprenticeships(assuming you're not talking about the Trades)? The typical Trades are typically handled by the State/Province.
It's easier in Trades, where things are fairly static and there's set standards.
> It's easier in Trades, where things are fairly static and there's set standards.
You obviously haven't been following the National Electric Code for the past ten or so years.
You obviously haven't been following the National Electric Code for the past ten or so years.
I have an old, 1970's era mechanical watch that I've been trying to repair recently.
I called around a couple of stores in the area (Boston) and many of the clock/watch shops have backlogs anywhere from 8 weeks to 8 months. They were all basically family-run (old husband/wife couples) and most said they were struggling to keep up with demand and that there were simply no young men entering the business.
The one guy who had an apprentice later clarified that his apprentice had been working for him for 20 years!
I wonder how/if tech might be applied to these craft-heavy markets to make things more efficient.
I called around a couple of stores in the area (Boston) and many of the clock/watch shops have backlogs anywhere from 8 weeks to 8 months. They were all basically family-run (old husband/wife couples) and most said they were struggling to keep up with demand and that there were simply no young men entering the business.
The one guy who had an apprentice later clarified that his apprentice had been working for him for 20 years!
I wonder how/if tech might be applied to these craft-heavy markets to make things more efficient.
To be honest, tech has been applied to those markets largely in making patronising the craftsperson largely unnecessary for those that don't want to go and visit a kindly old man to have their old-fashioned and sometimes entirely unique mechanical device attended to to preserve its sentimental or status-boosting value. One source of inefficiency is a target market that often doesn't want inauthentic parts, never mind the perfectly adequate mass-produced disposable replacement. I suspect hundreds of years of innovation when clockmaking was important has done a good job of ensuring the devices and processes they use are ideally suited for purpose and they've got access to ongoing innovation in precision engineering techniques from other fields if and when they need them.
I'm not surprised young people aren't entering the business if their status hasn't progressed beyond "apprentice" in 20 years!
I'm not surprised young people aren't entering the business if their status hasn't progressed beyond "apprentice" in 20 years!
There are a few (albeit limited) places to get into watchmaking as a career.
One of the more interesting is The Lititz Watch Technicum (http://lititzwatchtechnicum.org/) which is a 2 year certification program funded by Rolex.
One of the more interesting is The Lititz Watch Technicum (http://lititzwatchtechnicum.org/) which is a 2 year certification program funded by Rolex.
It's surprising just how specialist conventional FE college courses can get for those inspired to get into a particular field. A flatmates' sister moved to England to take a course in piano tuning and repairing at a specialised musical instrument craft school within an institution that apparently also offers regular A-levels...
Or they could raise prices.
Open case. Dump out the cams, cogs, and gears. Insert custom PCB, e-ink display, battery, and user input devices.
The 555 was first sold in 1971. Why the hell would you still rely on complex mechanical linkages to track the time when you could just start believing that digital watches really are a pretty neat idea instead?
The 555 was first sold in 1971. Why the hell would you still rely on complex mechanical linkages to track the time when you could just start believing that digital watches really are a pretty neat idea instead?
The same reason that people still paint, sail, ride horses, read books...
And do people still paint by spitting ochre against the edge of their hand onto rocks, or has painting evolved with technology? Does perspective count as painting tech? If a new cyan pigment is discovered for printer ink, could painters use it too?
Is a coracle made from animal skins stretched over wooden frames equivalent to Cousteau Society's turbosail ship Alcyone? Could anyone sail at 65 knots without advancements in tech (sailrocket.com)?
Could I fit an entire library of books in one pocket without the technology in my Kobo?
I'm not familiar enough with horse riding to provide a better example, but the high-backed cavalry saddle and stirrup were, at the time, considered advancements in military technology. Even the fact that you can ride horses for pleasure rather than by necessity is thanks to technologies such as the automobile.
People continue to do these things, but they have not always done them in the same way. And when the newer way is better, the old way rarely survives, except as a historical curiosity. Mechanical timepieces are objectively inferior to both electromechanical timepieces and purely electronic timekeeping. There's a reason why no one has to go up twice a year to wind the mainspring on the GPS satellites.
Is a coracle made from animal skins stretched over wooden frames equivalent to Cousteau Society's turbosail ship Alcyone? Could anyone sail at 65 knots without advancements in tech (sailrocket.com)?
Could I fit an entire library of books in one pocket without the technology in my Kobo?
I'm not familiar enough with horse riding to provide a better example, but the high-backed cavalry saddle and stirrup were, at the time, considered advancements in military technology. Even the fact that you can ride horses for pleasure rather than by necessity is thanks to technologies such as the automobile.
People continue to do these things, but they have not always done them in the same way. And when the newer way is better, the old way rarely survives, except as a historical curiosity. Mechanical timepieces are objectively inferior to both electromechanical timepieces and purely electronic timekeeping. There's a reason why no one has to go up twice a year to wind the mainspring on the GPS satellites.
Because they're jewelry.
They work without electricity.
There is a very high correlation between needing to know the exact time of day and having easy, commoditized access to electricity.
If you don't have electricity, and you are not navigating an antique wind-powered ship, you probably don't need a mechanical timepiece.
Also, I recall, from way back in the 1980s, a digital clock that was "powered by a potato", using zinc and copper probes. Even if we lost all grid power, and solar cells, and low-head hydro, we could still manage a zinc-copper cell battery.
Didn't you see that episode of Breaking Bad?
If you don't have electricity, and you are not navigating an antique wind-powered ship, you probably don't need a mechanical timepiece.
Also, I recall, from way back in the 1980s, a digital clock that was "powered by a potato", using zinc and copper probes. Even if we lost all grid power, and solar cells, and low-head hydro, we could still manage a zinc-copper cell battery.
Didn't you see that episode of Breaking Bad?
And the wheel of history turns. The bleak view is that first industrialists got rid of the apprenticeship because they wanted to pay only skilled craftsmen. The need for craftmanship was reduced when processes where dehumanized through splitting work into trivial tasks and workers became - not masters of a trade - but replacable cogs in the machine.
It's nice to see this becoming more mainstream again. Learning by doing - and observing skilled workers - is a great way to learn most of the practical aspects of a trade.
It's nice to see this becoming more mainstream again. Learning by doing - and observing skilled workers - is a great way to learn most of the practical aspects of a trade.
So what's the state of apprenticeships in Silicon Valley? Certainly, there are internships galore, though how often do they actually provide training for the intern, as opposed to expecting that the intern already know everything aside from the specifics of the firm's codebase? And you normally are only an intern if you're a student, so.
I think it would be interesting to see apprenticeships become more popular as a post college option. As someone who just graduated and is seeing friends struggle to have enough experience for entry level positions, it would be cool to have opportunities to do this in a variety of industries like tech, finance, ect.
That's how I got my start: two unlikely ad-hoc apprenticeships in applied EE and CS.
http://carlos.bueno.org/2013/06/apprenticeship.html
http://carlos.bueno.org/2013/06/apprenticeship.html
My daughter is doing informal apprenticeship toward being a chef, working as a line cook under a famous chef. It's a better learning experience than culinary school, and she's getting paid rather than paying for it!
I work at a creative agency in London and we started taking in apprentices a few years ago, with great success.
In my opinion, apprenticeships work best for people who either already know they are interested in a particular craft and want to specialise quickly or for people who don't know what they want at all and want to try out a career before committing.
I work in UX myself and while there is definitely a place for solid theoretical foundations, I have found that it's a field that develops so quickly that experience is much more important than knowledge. Because of this, it's very suitable for the kind of on the job training that apprenticeships offer.
Personally, I loved every minute I spent in an academic environment at university. I know it shaped my thinking and personality in very real ways and I enjoyed the freedom of doing research without direct applications (while getting my practical fix through part time jobs on the side). If that doesn't sound like your cup of tea because you are more practical, you can totally skip it if you can get a relevant apprenticeship with solid mentorship and genuine job opportunity at the end of it.
I work with two people who entered in apprenticeships at my company instead of going to university (saving a load of cash) and they both have since been offered permanent positions. I don't know how their long term career prospects are, but I would definitely hire them over a recent graduate with 0 years of experience under their belt.