Feel compelled to provide context on a double-standard, here are just a few counter examples of leaders in US politics who have, with their speech, “promoted conspiracy theories” and “incited violence” with no measures taken to make them accountable for their words. While no person, country or company is perfect... maybe Uganda witnessed this and decided to take a more formal position, like BigTech decided:
- Stacey Abrams claimed election fraud and was never censored on social media.
- "protesters should not let up,"
- "This is a movement, I’m telling you, they’re not going to stop, and everyone beware, because they’re not going to stop before Election Day in November, and they’re not going to stop after Election Day," she said. "And everyone should take note of that, on both levels, that they’re not going to let up, and they should not, and we should not."
- Vice-president elect Kamala Harris
- "there needs to be unrest in the streets." -
- "You know, there needs to be unrest in the streets for as long as there’s unrest in our lives."
- Rep. Ayanna Pressley
- "If you see anybody from that Cabinet in a restaurant, in a department store, at a gasoline station, you get out and create a crowd and you push back on them, and you tell them they’re not welcome anymore, anywhere."
- "You think we’re rallying now? You ain’t seen nothing yet,"
- "If you see anybody from that Cabinet in a restaurant, in a department store, at a gasoline station, you get out and you create a crowd and you push back on them and you tell them they’re not welcome anymore, anywhere,"
- Rep. Maxine Waters
Probably more.. something to consider.
“You Americans are gullible. We’ll keep feeding you small doses of socialism until you wake up and find you already have communism. We won’t have to fight you. We’ll so weaken your economy until you fall like overripe fruit into our hands”.
— Nikita Kruschev
The line I drew is based on the law regarding child pornography— the example you’ve chosen to make a point.
There is no point... because it’s illegal? While the other examples I gave aren’t illegal? It’s pretty simple, and you’re lengthy replies are stretching an illogical point :-/
Edit: You are claiming I’m an absolutist... I’m unaware of this term, because there’s no such thing— I live in a country where laws exist (see above)
Man you deleted the part about the leftist straw man lol!!
You lost me honest to God, and I am going to leave this here... I still stand by my original statement, acknowledging my choice of words isn’t perfect but the main idea is there. And thanks for watching the videos, and for the short discourse. It’s been fun, God Bless!
I have, and it becomes a first amendment issue when you build the case, like I did, and like everyone who’s tracking this. I hope you can acknowledge that. And surprisingly, it didn’t take me that long to put that together, maybe 3 min lol.
And let me add, this issue is certainly from a more direct angle than the one all these companies have taken: silencing a group of people even though you’re unable to directly link “incite violence “ to all events, all people, and all platforms unilaterally.
Cheers to the future removal of 230! That’s coming, no matter what’s next (AFAIK, both sides are for that) Unless of course... a back deal has somehow been made which we don’t know about.
How do you link (legally) hate speech (protected by constitution) -> “direct” violence -> individuals -> charges?
Haven’t seen evidence of that in any of these cases, by companies, MSM, legal parties, or honest people—- especially when looking at riots earlier in the year.
Interesting comparison. Dignifying with a simple example:
Child porn != Video promoting peace by President Trump
Child porn != Speaking freely about election fraud, and spreading information as such.
The difference is child porn is clearly illegal, while the other things are clearly not. Children are being hurt, which is illegal. These comparisons are stretches, just like your logic.
Strong comment. Humor me by explaining this coordinated attack in the context of what is guaranteed by the first amendment, perhaps I am missing something?:
- YouTube says it will no longer allow users to upload videos claiming that President Trump lost the 2020 presidential election due to fraud.
- A video message from president Donald Trump calling for peace and to go home, was deleted by Facebook, Twitter and YouTube on Wednesday as a mob of his supporters stormed the Capitol.
- Many conservative twitter users are reporting significant drops in followers, likely because many small accounts are being purged too.
- Reddit banned /r/DonaldTrump, the largest pro-Trump forum on the site, and Discord banned the server “The Donald” while acknowledging there was no evidence the chat played any role in inciting violence at all.
- Michael Flynn was kicked off Twitter permanently
- Steve Bannon’s YouTube channel was permanently suspended.
- Parler was taken off Google’s Google Play store, and Apple has threatened to follow suit.
- Twitch, a streaming service owned by Amazon, and Snapchat, both suspended Trump’s accounts.
- Shopify took down two online stores affiliated with Trump, one belonging to his campaign and the other to the Trump Organization.
- Finally — Trump’s Twitter and Facebook is indefinitely suspended until “at least” the inauguration.
I am not even mentioning the hypocrisy that has occurred... No effort by these companies, or anyone really, to stop violence by leftist causes. No such drastic measures taken. If you know something I don’t, again— make me informed.
I’m sure I haven’t covered all of it. But please, out of respect and the sharing of ideas: I ask for 15 minutes of your time (don’t know why i care so much lol) but seriously! Give these a watch, he does a much better job than I can covering why this is relevant to free speech and censorship, in a succinct manner:
There is no argument for censorship, suspension or banning, based on our 1st amendment—- on any of the multiple platforms doing so.
I came on here just to check what the “young intellectual tech” community thinks— I consider myself part of it. I’m a 20-something female, born in the heart of Silicon Valley, and have been heavily involved in tech during my short career.
Heads up: This isn’t animal farm, this is 1984!
I never post on here and stopped reading awhile ago due to the one-minded propaganda I consistently find on the site these days (i was a lurker a longtime before i made this account) but I feel compelled to share my opinion because these times matter, and us young (and old) folks matter.
Amen and a-women? Welcome to the best addition to New Speak. Please look that up if you don’t know what it is. Have you zoomed out on how Big (and Little) Tech had subtle involvement here? And how they may be affecting how you’re thinking? I can personally say after having deleted social media for almost 2 years, and combing through different sources (time consuming)- I feel very differently now than I did four years, or eight years ago. See my links below.
“I don’t like Trump” and “not being a Trump supporter,” standing behind Big Tech — the badges of honor on Hacker News. But here’s my practical advice: be very careful who you’re choosing. Everything in life is a trade off— even who’s in the White House, who’s in office, who you’re casting your votes for, the apps you use, and the companies you give your money and support to.
Another piece of advice: for some laughs, and practical news these days, check out AwakenwithJP and Brett Pella :-) (seriously all their videos are pretty good, especially JP!)
Another piece: Hear other perspectives “i was wrong about the Democratic Party,” Georgia H.
Finally, I’ll close with this recommendation: “when the plague arrives,” NTD.
Hope you hackers open your big brains, put your thinking caps on and leave confirmation bias in the past.
There is no argument for censorship, suspension or banning, based on our 1st amendment—- on any of the multiple platforms doing so.
I came on here just to check what the “young intellectual tech” community thinks— I consider myself part of it. I’m a 20-something female, born in the heart of Silicon Valley, and have been heavily involved in tech during my short career.
Heads up: This isn’t animal farm, this is 1984!
I never post on here and stopped reading awhile ago due to the one-minded propaganda I consistently find on the site these days (i was a lurker a longtime before i made this account) but I feel compelled to share my opinion because these times matter, and us young (and old) folks matter.
Amen and a-women? Welcome to the best addition to New Speak. Please look that up if you don’t know what it is. Have you zoomed out on how Big (and Little) Tech had subtle involvement here? And how they may be affecting how you’re thinking? I can personally say after having deleted social media for almost 2 years, and combing through different sources (time consuming)- I feel very differently now than I did four years, or eight years ago. See my links below.
“I don’t like Trump” and “not being a Trump supporter,” standing behind Big Tech — the badges of honor on Hacker News. But here’s my practical advice: be very careful who you’re choosing. Everything in life is a trade off— even who’s in the White House, who’s in office, who you’re casting your votes for, the apps you use, and the companies you give your money and support to.
Another piece of advice: for some laughs, and practical news these days, check out AwakenwithJP and Brett Pella :-) (seriously all their videos are pretty good, especially JP!)
Another piece: Hear other perspectives “i was wrong about the Democratic Party,” Georgia H.
Finally, I’ll close with this recommendation: “when the plague arrives,” NTD.
Hope you hackers open your big brains, put your thinking caps on and leave confirmation bias in the past.
There is no argument for censorship, suspension or banning, based on our 1st amendment—- on any of the multiple platforms doing so.
I came on here just to check what the “young intellectual tech” community thinks— I consider myself part of it. I’m a 20-something female, born in the heart of Silicon Valley, and have been heavily involved in tech during my short career.
Heads up: This isn’t animal farm, this is 1984!
I never post on here and stopped reading awhile ago due to the one-minded propaganda I consistently find on the site these days (i was a lurker a longtime before i made this account) but I feel compelled to share my opinion because these times matter, and us young (and old) folks matter.
Amen and a-women? Welcome to the best addition to New Speak. Please look that up if you don’t know what it is. Have you zoomed out on how Big (and Little) Tech had subtle involvement here? And how they may be affecting how you’re thinking? I can personally say after having deleted social media for almost 2 years, and combing through different sources (time consuming)- I feel very differently now than I did four years, or eight years ago. See my links below.
“I don’t like Trump” and “not being a Trump supporter,” standing behind Big Tech — the badges of honor on Hacker News. But here’s my practical advice: be very careful who you’re choosing. Everything in life is a trade off— even who’s in the White House, who’s in office, who you’re casting your votes for, the apps you use, and the companies you give your money and support to.
Another piece of advice: for some laughs, and practical news these days, check out AwakenwithJP and Brett Pella :-) (seriously all their videos are pretty good, especially JP!)
Another piece: Hear other perspectives “i was wrong about the Democratic Party,” Georgia H.
Finally, I’ll close with this recommendation: “when the plague arrives,” NTD.
Hope you hackers open your big brains, put your thinking caps on and leave confirmation bias in the past.
I’ll have to give that a watch, didn’t realize he had a Ted talk! My favorites so far are “what its like living in California” and “instagrams new terms of service - not sketchy at all!”
The Brett Pella on Californians moving back to California one is also hilarious (can you tell I live here lol born and raised)
There is no argument for censorship, suspension or banning, based on our 1st amendment—- on any of the multiple platforms doing so.
I came on here just to check what the “young intellectual tech” community thinks— I consider myself part of it. I’m a 20-something female who has been heavily involved in tech for my short career.
Heads up: This isn’t animal farm, this is 1984!
I never post on here and stopped reading awhile ago due to the one-minded propaganda I consistently find on the site these days (i was a lurker a longtime before i made this account) but I feel compelled to share my opinion because these times matter, and us young (and old) folks matter.
Amen and a-women? Welcome to the best addition to New Speak. Please look that up if you don’t know what it is. Have you zoomed out on how Big (and Little) Techs subtle involvement here? And how they may be affecting how you’re thinking?
I can personally say after having deleted social media for a year and combing through different sources (time consuming), I feel very differently now than I did four years, or eight years ago.
“I don’t like Trump” and “not being a Trump supporter,” the badges of honor on Hacker News. But here’s my practical advice: be very careful who you’re choosing. Everything in life is a trade off— even who’s in the White House, who’s in office, who you’re casting your votes for.
Another piece of advice: for some laughs, and practical news these days, check out AwakenwithJP and Brett Pella :-) hope your hackers but your thinking caps on and leave confirmation bias in 2020.
- Stacey Abrams claimed election fraud and was never censored on social media.
- "protesters should not let up," - "This is a movement, I’m telling you, they’re not going to stop, and everyone beware, because they’re not going to stop before Election Day in November, and they’re not going to stop after Election Day," she said. "And everyone should take note of that, on both levels, that they’re not going to let up, and they should not, and we should not." - Vice-president elect Kamala Harris
- "there needs to be unrest in the streets." - - "You know, there needs to be unrest in the streets for as long as there’s unrest in our lives." - Rep. Ayanna Pressley
- "If you see anybody from that Cabinet in a restaurant, in a department store, at a gasoline station, you get out and create a crowd and you push back on them, and you tell them they’re not welcome anymore, anywhere." - "You think we’re rallying now? You ain’t seen nothing yet," - "If you see anybody from that Cabinet in a restaurant, in a department store, at a gasoline station, you get out and you create a crowd and you push back on them and you tell them they’re not welcome anymore, anywhere," - Rep. Maxine Waters
Probably more.. something to consider.
“You Americans are gullible. We’ll keep feeding you small doses of socialism until you wake up and find you already have communism. We won’t have to fight you. We’ll so weaken your economy until you fall like overripe fruit into our hands”. — Nikita Kruschev