devthrowawy

vor 6 Jahrendiscuss

Like I said, I just don't really care and it's not going to affect my life. I'm all for improving technology and efficiency and believe that it will never truly be a life threatening issue and it's foolish to sit around and be afraid of it. You say it's going to be my problem but how? What would that look like exactly? Maybe in 1000 years it would literally be a problem but by then through the natural course of technological evolution it will just not be a problem. If freeman dyson, a man who solved some of the hardest problems of the 20th century, can say that there is little scientific rogor in our models, estimation and understanding of our affect on climate change, why should I pretend like you know what you're talking about?

devthrowawy

vor 6 Jahrendiscuss

Yea I just don't care about any of that and I don't think that's wrong.

devthrowawy

vor 6 Jahrendiscuss

I've been on here for 10 years. When did hacker news loose all resemblance to hacker culture? And i'm not a truther (thanks for making me use a word like that btw), maybe a rationalist is a better word. Let's all wake up an be afraid of asteroids too.

devthrowawy

vor 6 Jahrendiscuss

And when exactly will it become an actual problem in the sense that it actually affects anyone's life? 1000 years? 10000 years? Like global warming is going to suddenly show its teeth on some random day and we'll all be sorry. You sound like someone preaching the coming rapture, thinking people are crazy for rolling their eyes and continuing on with their lives.

devthrowawy

vor 6 Jahrendiscuss

It's not 'harder' to take mass off earth than it is to bring mass back. Assuming you want to bring the mass back 'gently' and not have it collide with earth like a comet. Think like pulling a rock out of a hole vs lowering it back down in a controlled manner, controlled here meaning velocity=0 by the time it reaches the bottom. In both cases you are responsible for transitioning the same amount of energy into or out of the rock. To do this with a rocket would required the same integration of force and thus fuel. In the case where you are lowering the rock, ie returning mass back to space, you have to bring fuel to the rock to 'lower' it back down so it is actually harder to bring mass back.

devthrowawy

vor 6 Jahrendiscuss

Mattermost seems pretty to-the-point. Really not getting what's so hard about chat with some basic formatting.

devthrowawy

vor 6 Jahrendiscuss

No I think my advice is don't code on your break because coding is boring, repetitive and the culture is shit and it took me too long to realize this.

devthrowawy

vor 6 Jahrendiscuss

It may be an age/experience thing. I spent many years coding in my free time, worked on all parts of the stack from boot loaders to single page applications. The magic is kind of gone for me now and I prefer to try to expand my physics and math skills which capture how I used to feel about code.

devthrowawy

vor 6 Jahrendiscuss

Build a compiler or small emulator if you want to get better not more web CRUD. But really don't code on your break, i'd say buy some shrooms and walk around the woods.

devthrowawy

vor 6 Jahrendiscuss

Thank you for your insight into the emotional fragility of female construction workers.

devthrowawy

vor 6 Jahrendiscuss

Is that a quote from Hitler? I honestly can't tell.

devthrowawy

vor 6 Jahrendiscuss

This is assuming that the torturers are dumb (not true in the case of nation states) and that the information is not verifiable. This is not always the case. And the argument is that torture can and does work not that it always works. In the context of a password that I know you know and we can type in right now to make it stop, this will be effective.If you don't think the torture will ever stop and just want a 'fuck you' then you may keep quite. When your kids/family are brought in the 'fuck you' mentality goes out the window. Torture works, but it's like war. You have to go all in. This isn't a pro torture argument necessarily. But saying torture never works is dishonest and tanamount to saying I would keep all my secrets while being tutored to death, which I know I wouldn't.

devthrowawy

vor 6 Jahrendiscuss

Bring his kids in. He'll talk. Downvotes for unpleasant reality.

devthrowawy

vor 6 Jahrendiscuss

Interesting anecdote. Sounds like he didn't want to talk politics but you kept pushing, trying to take some moral high ground. Voting isn't an exam, it's actually pretty simple even for swing voters. Believe it or not, there is no right or wrong answer or else we would not have a vote. You essentially vote on a personal philosophy that is developed over your live, or primarily in your earlier years, and by studying history, consuming art like books, movies and music, and meeting people and discussing these ideas. It's something that happens in the background. Keeping up with what the candidates, parties and news outlets are saying isn't nearly as relevant.

devthrowawy

vor 6 Jahrendiscuss

Yea and isn't HN always going on about how education != intelligence? It's great branding too, hook your cart up to the liberal party and suddenly you're smart, refined, enlightened, morally superior. No questions asked. SW/SV lives in a bubble. Most of eng is more conservative. Aero,EE,ME.. these are no dummies.

devthrowawy

vor 6 Jahrendiscuss

It's not the users the cause corruption it's who builds and desires to take control of the system. If billions of people are using something it becomes corrupt because of the immense value of billions of users attention. Looks at every tech company. Spying, ads, censorship. Taken to the extreme these goals are counter to each other. Just look at what Canonical did when Ubuntu got a whiff of becoming a desktop os. You could call it 'selling out'. It's a very common, perhaps inevitable, consequence of popularity.

devthrowawy

vor 6 Jahrendiscuss

I honestly do think you missed it and it's been laid out by my two comments. This isn't a personal goal of mine it's just how I see the economics of it. People that want their grandma/gf to use linux as a desktop - that is a personal goal. None of those people give a shit about using linux or they would already.

devthrowawy

vor 6 Jahrendiscuss

I'm not meaning to be elites in the sense that i'm trying to look down on certain linux users. But if someone is going to use linux or not use it at all based just on how it looks then they don't need linux and can use a regular desktop os just fine. Linux is important because of how it is used technically to build software systems and that it is open source. If you start bringing on users that don't have that interest then then it is just another web/chrome platform waiting to be commercialized and have it's true purpose undermined. Take Canonical to the extreme. Not everything needs to try to grab the attention of random person off the street.

devthrowawy

vor 6 Jahrendiscuss

Well you can have that, those are the repositories mostly, which you have access to when building your linux. So you have a mature source of code, but what makes a distro 'mature' isn't really of any value in the embedded space. Kernel, core utils, init system, some packages and you custom code, and your done. You now have your own distro, code is mature, boots really fast and is probably more stable and secure that the mature distro which is trying to be everything under the sun. When you only need the linux to do one specific thing you can make something that is really rock solid and actually have a sense of everything that is going on under the hood. Having some guy whose, honestly mostly uneducated, solution is to just throw fedora on there is going to create a crap system.

devthrowawy

vor 6 Jahrendiscuss

This is incredibly naive. FOSS ultimately is business (if the code has any real value) and that's why there are licenses, to keep industry in 'check'. If RMS shared your optimism there would be no FOSS. Business are not people, they are entities driven by profit and the limits of law. Call it greed if you want but that's how you get endless $1 loafs of bread and the ability to fly anywhere in the US for a couple hundred bucks or less. If you really want something to be so, get it in writing. There is no 'community' like you illude to. Maybe in certain corners of the web or for some more notable projects, but there is plenty of FOSS that is really the backbone of a lot of sw and non sw infrastructure that is contributed to almost exclusively by corporations that are in competition with each other. FOSS is not just web devs hanging out on twitter making some app with a cute logo that will be forgotten in 3 years. There is big business going on and without a good license you have nothing.