mustermannBB

letztes Jahrdiscuss

Correct me if I'm wrong but a big part of the value proposition these days for Erlang/Elixir would be that it comes build in with a lot of the tools that other runtimes would require. For example a message bus is kinda integrated in the BEAM runtime or Erlang, while most other runtimes would have to use something like Kafka or AWS SQS etc. Or caching and some other things. Of course I'm not sure how good all the inbuilt solutions are compared to dedicated tools, overall or usually IMHO I prefer dedicated tools as opposed to all in one as the dedicated tools/services usually are more flexible. On the other hand of course it is also much overhead.

mustermannBB

letztes Jahrdiscuss

All fair. I suppose my point is that I think people do actually have a decent sense of what value proposition there with emacs but simply don't agree that its strengths are worth the steep climb and or a the much better that their current tool needs replacing.

mustermannBB

letztes Jahrdiscuss

Problem with Hare is that it is (or at least was last time I checked) Linux/Unix only and so by design. That kinda makes it DOA for many.

mustermannBB

letztes Jahrdiscuss

I think it is way simpler than that. IMHO, for many people young or old the value proposition of emacs simple is no longer there and/or worth the huge learning curve. For most things people would use something like emacs the alternatives are simple good enough and some cases better. By better I mean mostly more accessible, less complex and with a better ecosystem. One tool that does all, also simply does not resonate with everyone nor do many people feel the need to make their almost their lifestyle (not saying you do, I'm speaking in general to the Emacs runs my life folks). Another thing to consider often is that when working in a group or team at work for example it can be the easiest path forward to use the tool the company officially uses and your teammates do. If your team uses for example slack to communicate why go through the hassle of setting up some most likely cumbersome workaround to target it via emacs instead of just using the slack.

mustermannBB

letztes Jahrdiscuss

Are you comparing Elixir with a framework as extensive as Phoenix to Go and "just" its standard http library? If so I'm not sure that would be a good comparison then.

mustermannBB

letztes Jahrdiscuss

Or they simply think or know that vscode does what it needs to, for them to get the job done. In the end the best tool is the one you can be productive in. No need for gatekkeeping about something as trivial as ones preferred editor or IDE.

mustermannBB

letztes Jahrdiscuss

To some vscode probably is good enough and that is OK. I don't see why this would be an issue.

mustermannBB

letztes Jahrdiscuss

To be fair the importance for devs/programmers to touch type is often very exaggerated. Not saying it is not a benefit but is is far from a "must" or something that is a detriment to producing quality work. In the days where secretaries were typing out memos from their boss touch typing was much important or needed.

mustermannBB

letztes Jahrdiscuss

I mean it depends what one use Vim or their editor of choice for. For example I do think that efficiency gains when for example developing in Java are marginal if there at all. Or for people who do not hate the mouse, or people who can't touch type and probably many more examples. Also with how integrated vscode is these days, it is no surprise that many prefer it.

comments