100%. Good memory, too. Slicehost probably deserves credit as well. I’m not arguing for who deserves it. Arguing for who doesn’t. Slicehost’s approach to a number of things was better in a lot of ways and they did documentation a little differently, but you’re right, the funnel concept is the same (between all three).
I miss them too. They were respectful competitors and I know they were generally liked by competitors. There’s just a fine line between getting the idea for a funnel and copying its entire execution down to subscribing to RSS. I think there was mutual respect between both companies on that. With DO, not so much.
To be clear, it’s not Apple vs Google here, it’s the idea of DO coming out of the gate with that execution being a stroke of genius. They had (thanks for the reminder) multiple precedences and actively copied from at least one.
You’re talking past me, particularly harping on the blog you found from 2014 despite me directly addressing it in my reply to you (and using it to question my recollection), so it’s clear we’re not going to agree. I’m also not a fan of being told events and discussions I was a part of, firsthand, and pissed off about, firsthand, is me failing to remember the truth accurately; that’s really insulting, fundamentally, and is not an approach you should take with someone sharing their lived reality, especially when you were on the paying end and not the employed end. The rumors you heard corroborate. It happened. Notice the usually-HN-active DO folks haven’t jumped on me yet? They know it happened, too.
Again, I left on horrible terms. That’s really important to remember as you think about my motivations. I’m not here to score points for a side, which you seem to have inferred.
I gave lengthy examples of copying that I observed firsthand. You don’t believe me, ask Sam K, whose work was diligently and routinely copied. Linode Library also credited customers for contributions publicly and financially since its launch in 2009. They expanded the program later to anyone interested to scale it beyond one-offs. The whole point of Linode Library was conversions so your distinguishing of DO’s “innovation” is baffling; what, you think we hired three people to write about nginx because it was fun?
Of course Linode eventually copied DO back. That was the terms of the relationship established by DO. We were too busy dreaming of copying AWS at the time to see the threat. We ruled out $10 and lower Linodes again before DO was founded due to our support resources. DO forced that hand later (I assume, that was after I left).
I am obviously biased having worked there (worth noting I left on awful terms), and I am aware of that, but some of what I’m saying is purely objective and, again, probably provable with study of IA. If you’re going to refute my first hand, lived experience and call it revisionism, you’ve proven my point of making this comment at all.
I miss them too. They were respectful competitors and I know they were generally liked by competitors. There’s just a fine line between getting the idea for a funnel and copying its entire execution down to subscribing to RSS. I think there was mutual respect between both companies on that. With DO, not so much.
To be clear, it’s not Apple vs Google here, it’s the idea of DO coming out of the gate with that execution being a stroke of genius. They had (thanks for the reminder) multiple precedences and actively copied from at least one.