Interview with Ted Nelson(notion.so)
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Interview with Ted Nelson
https://www.notion.so/tools-and-craft/03-ted-nelson
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Glad to see YC is catching up to what Microsoft did in the 80s.
It's not really affiliated with YC; I just happen to work there.
I met Ted while trying to find a copy of the book and when he told me he had a bunch in storage, I volunteered to help sell the rest. 100% sales go to him.
This edition is just a reprint of his first edition. Ted re-published it himself.
I haven't read the Microsoft edition yet but I know Ted hates what they did with his book.
I met Ted while trying to find a copy of the book and when he told me he had a bunch in storage, I volunteered to help sell the rest. 100% sales go to him.
This edition is just a reprint of his first edition. Ted re-published it himself.
I haven't read the Microsoft edition yet but I know Ted hates what they did with his book.
> I haven't read the Microsoft edition yet but I know Ted hates what they did with his book.
Here is a review of the book that describes the problem: https://nedbatchelder.com/blog/200301/computer_libdream_mach...
> The 1987 revised edition is classic ‘80 laser-printer chaos, and is not nearly as nice to read: the dimensions have been scaled down resulting in text narrowly wrapped, and awkwardly flowed from page to page.
Here is a review of the book that describes the problem: https://nedbatchelder.com/blog/200301/computer_libdream_mach...
> The 1987 revised edition is classic ‘80 laser-printer chaos, and is not nearly as nice to read: the dimensions have been scaled down resulting in text narrowly wrapped, and awkwardly flowed from page to page.
Are you saying that a third printing is derivative if someone else did the second printing? I’m not aware of how common it is to have different publishers or presses handle successive reprints.
> This book is a truly unique and is worth owning in hardcopy format.
Can you go into more about that?
Can you go into more about that?
Because it's hard to hold your laptop upside down when you're reading Dream Machines.
It's 2 books in 1 - both covers are front covers.
"Computer Lib / Dream Machines" is a classic masterpiece that will flip you out!
LOL! It'll turn your world upside down!
1 hour 49 minute full version of Nelson's Computers for Cynics - him talking entertainingly into the camera about computers, how they work (e.g. file systems, filenames), a lot of computing history, inside stories, key people (V Bush, Engelbart, Kay, Gates, Jobs etc), lost opportunities etc. Pretty funny, like his term the PUI (PARC UI).
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hZ3gmh-d9oI
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hZ3gmh-d9oI
His Geeks Bearing Gifts is a more detailed, written treatment of the same material: http://www.lulu.com/shop/ted-nelson/geeks-bearing-gifts/pape... . It's also a more affordable alternative to Computer Lib/Dream Machines if you want to send him some money.
This story breaks my heart. Part of me feels like his independent thought and drive should be inspiring, but Nelson's story looks to me like a prime example of how not to do it. He seems to have fixated on the wrong things: micropayments, "visual connection". He failed to communicate his vision.
> DEVON: What has your process been for communicating the ideas of Xanadu to the world?
> TED: Talk and talk and talk and talk...
I don't know if Xanadu as a concept ever had a chance in the wild. I don't know how to think or feel about this whole thing, except that it's some kind of tragedy.
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> DEVON: What has your process been for communicating the ideas of Xanadu to the world?
> TED: Talk and talk and talk and talk...
I don't know if Xanadu as a concept ever had a chance in the wild. I don't know how to think or feel about this whole thing, except that it's some kind of tragedy.
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I don't think it's a tragedy. No, his exact vision did not happen. But he influenced many, and the web would not have happened without him.
It often takes many people and projects, each looking at previous efforts, before you have a well working system. Ted Nelson and Xanadu were a key link in that chain.
It often takes many people and projects, each looking at previous efforts, before you have a well working system. Ted Nelson and Xanadu were a key link in that chain.
I think he could have let his ideas free more.
Is there a comprehensive guide to xanadu or anything open source? I think inspirational as he is he is also a bit afraid people might take his ideas away and make it in to something different he can't control.
Is there a comprehensive guide to xanadu or anything open source? I think inspirational as he is he is also a bit afraid people might take his ideas away and make it in to something different he can't control.
The part where he says "My problem has always been that I have too many interests -- everything is interesting to me"
that really rang true
that really rang true
Haven't watched this interview, but this video of his is very good: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mmfjM-SGlGs
Ted's Youtube channel is a treasure. Candid and honest, but interesting and insightful.
Interesting use of Notion as a publishing platform
It was a beautiful dream, but one can't be both an outsider and an insider.
Too true. On the other hand, you can start out as an outsider, and end up an insider[0].
0. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rudolph_the_Red-Nosed_Reindeer
0. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rudolph_the_Red-Nosed_Reindeer
Rudolph the red-nosed reindeer isn’t a true story.
This book is a truly unique and is worth owning in hardcopy format.