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inemesitaffia
·7 hours ago·discuss
Paired means at least two companies get the contract. SpaceX to my memory has always been paid less when that happens.

Examples are

CCrew - Boeing

CCargo - Sierra, SpaceX is now a sub for another company bc their engines are made in Ukraine.

HLS - Blue Origin

NSSL - ULA, Blue Origin (Maybe RKLB)

NRO Starshield GMTI - Northrop Grumman

SDA - York Space

SEA-2 - OneWeb

>Can't speak to the world as a whole but the US has we spent 50 years gutting most government functions that aren't part of the police/military/surveillance apparatus (and many of those as well).

It's the likes of Boeing and Lockheed vs SpaceX not Government vs Private Sector. That's how it's worked since Apollo.

>SpaceX itself is an example of the primary mechanism of this: Diverting funding to private, no-bid contracts that remove both market forces and democratic oversight from those services while also ballooning their costs

This is the core of the disinformation. SpaceX has always been cheaper, see Europa Clipper for one of the most egregious examples. The post SpaceX era is also cheaper for the government because of the shift in contract types. That's how you hear Boeing is losing money on Starliner and Air Force 1, because companies now eat the losses they used to pass on. Raytheon (and SpaceX mind) dropped out of SDA because of this.

The contracts are also openly bid. And if they aren't classified you can bid too. Lots of these contracts don't even have pré-qualification.

This stuff is known to anyone that follows the industry. In fact, the fact other companies are involved makes it more expensive because they charge more than SpaceX per unit of work. But government keeps its leverage and industrial base.

The person you read from who claimed (I can tell they aren't original thoughts) these things is lying to you and any cursory check (sometimes just reading articles instead of just headlines is enough).

It's like the X company isn't paying taxes, "this is a bad thing" stories, then you look at the balance sheet and not only is the company paying taxes, it's lifetime and operationally unprofitable, so it has no corp tax incidence (like anyone doing part time work at minimum wage or below (at a charity))
inemesitaffia
·7 hours ago·discuss
I'd like to see a pre SpaceX post like this from you. Anything pre 2015 is fine. Because this is nothing new.

What you're essentially arguing for is SpaceX building this for the government and government being the middleman.

More money would be spent. Not less.
inemesitaffia
·8 hours ago·discuss
It's a no in the sense that these buildings already have poor/no service today.
inemesitaffia
·8 hours ago·discuss
There's no dispute there with what I said.

The launch cost for Starlink is in the connectivity segment. It has to go somewhere on your balance sheet and you can't magic it away.

If you manufacture cement and you also sell premixed concrete in another division it's a similar thing. Or any other company that sells both raw material and finished product.

Here they are saying it's in the connectivity segment costs instead of them buying it at retail. That's all there is.

That's how analysts can estimate launch costs ~$20MM and $600k for satellites as opposed to the idea that launch is $0 for Starlink and the cost is hidden in the space segment.
inemesitaffia
·8 hours ago·discuss
What does it matter?

>Something tells me we could have covered the planet in fibre for the price of these Starlink satellites.

This isn't true. In fact, the subsidies spent on Fiber in the US, if providently used won't be enough.
inemesitaffia
·22 hours ago·discuss
That's not Kessler syndrome though. Is a cascade
inemesitaffia
·22 hours ago·discuss
Starlink existed before SpaceX was a public company
inemesitaffia
·22 hours ago·discuss
SpaceX has spent under $30 billion for Starlink.

That's less than maintenance opex for mobile networks operators in the US alone.
inemesitaffia
·22 hours ago·discuss
Who's paying for this cable?
inemesitaffia
·22 hours ago·discuss
And are also worse in several ways?
inemesitaffia
·22 hours ago·discuss
Also government subsidised
inemesitaffia
·22 hours ago·discuss
Not enough bandwidth
inemesitaffia
·22 hours ago·discuss
There's LTE from space already btw in Australia. Will one day be a carrier requirement.
inemesitaffia
·22 hours ago·discuss
NASA isn't paying for Starship.

They are paying for HLS.

You can't (according to old space companies) build a lunar lander and its launch system for under $10B

The S1 says they SpaceX is providing launch to Starlink at cost. ~$20MM per Tim Farrar and Lionett Pierre. Two industry analysts.
inemesitaffia
·22 hours ago·discuss
Still no 100% coverage and export promotion is part of Foreign Affairs work.
inemesitaffia
·22 hours ago·discuss
And the FAA, FCC and as part of the Labour agreement with the Flight staff
inemesitaffia
·22 hours ago·discuss
BEAD still hasn't been spent.
inemesitaffia
·22 hours ago·discuss
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inemesitaffia
·23 hours ago·discuss
600k excluding launch
inemesitaffia
·23 hours ago·discuss
More expensive for whom?