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5 years agodiscuss

Once again, someone else is far more pithy than I. +1

5 years agodiscuss

The title came from a comment from one of the maintainers of the WiX Toolset. I called the initial missteps a "maintainer kerfuffle" and he responded, "As long as it doesn't turn into a brouhaha".

Now that I think about it, I didn't write the blog post for the uninitiated. If you didn't understand what was going on, that was fine, it was content for you.

I don't know how I ended up here on Hacker News. :)

5 years agodiscuss

As far as I can tell, Jon and Scott are Microsoft dev evangelists. It really isn't their place to step into .NET Foundation issues.

It might be even more weird if they did try weigh in.

5 years agodiscuss

Yes but I never had the copyright in the first place. This isn't about the copyright. I know I don't own it. This is about control of the project.

5 years agodiscuss

You should raise that feature request with GitHub. It's a good idea.

5 years agodiscuss

Meh. Other people here have pointed out it sends email to the people in the GitHub Enterprise. So, they probably missed a place to add auditing.

To that point, I've had GitHub people tell me they never imagined the feature I used to get out of GitHub Enterprise to be used that way. I got lots of emails (since I owned the target organization) but maybe the GitHub Enterprise did not?

5 years agodiscuss

Hah, hah, hah, that's actually pretty good.

5 years agodiscuss

No.

5 years agodiscuss

Rodney is closer to many things than I but my experience shows these are the root issues:

> does too little to help its member projects, and lacks a strong sense of mission or purpose.

That's on the .NET Foundation, not Microsoft.

5 years agodiscuss

Sure but I'm most interested in the project as a whole. And:

> And there are advantages to a legally well protected entity holding the copyright.

5 years agodiscuss

I might agree with parts of what you are saying but when the channel to communicate back to the "powers that be" is broken and you face (what feels like) an existential threat, the public forum is an enticing, sometimes effective but very messy option.

5 years agodiscuss

You are exactly correct here. This isn't about Microsoft or GitHub. It is solely about the .NET Foundation's actions.

5 years agodiscuss

This may have nailed the issue most closely yet.

It took you a lot fewer words than me too. :)

5 years agodiscuss

Something is really wrong right now that's why they might be meeting every day.

Your experience with the Eclipse Foundation is very different from how the .NET Foundation has interacted. On top of that, communication has been very poor for a long time. I believe those two differences are at or near the root of all of these issues.

5 years agodiscuss

No worries. I disagree with a couple parts of your position but that doesn't mean you are wrong. :)

I also happen to agree with the bulk of it.

5 years agodiscuss

Those are all possible futures.

5 years agodiscuss

Because they are separate. Have you wanted the .NET Foundation and Microsoft interact?

5 years agodiscuss

You are exactly correct. It isn't necessary to drag GitHub or Microsoft into the conversation.

They aren't involved in this situation.

5 years agodiscuss

Not in my case. The article explains how the copyright transfer was executed.

5 years agodiscuss

What? Code of Conduct says stuff like, don't be mean to other people. It's a lot like: https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html