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Show HN: Whorl – Fingerprinting LLMs as horrible password generators

bountyplz.xyz
2 points·by tehryanx·4 months ago·0 comments

Show HN: Chordle. Learn to identify pitch by playing Wordle with chords

codepen.io
2 points·by tehryanx·6 months ago·1 comments

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tehryanx
·6 days ago·discuss
Pedant here. Using "for instance" here implies that you will be providing an example of how begging the question and raising the question are not the same thing. You've provided a definition and a source, not an example.
tehryanx
·3 months ago·discuss
It makes a lot of sense to use an MCP for git and everything else if you want observability across many users. It gives you a place to shim security controls, monitoring, and alerting into the tool call pipeline.
tehryanx
·3 months ago·discuss
I find it even more fascinating that a few of them aren't.
tehryanx
·3 months ago·discuss
I know you're right that there's a saturation point for context size, but it's not just context size that the larger models have, it's better grounding within that as a result of stronger, more discriminative attention patterns.

I'm not saying you're not going to drive confusion by overloading context, but the number of tokens required to trigger that failure mode in opus is going to be a lot higher than the number for gpt-oss-20b.

I'm pretty sure a model that can run on a cellphone is going to cap out it's context window long before opus or mythos would hit the point of diminishing returns on context overload. I think using a lower quality model with far fewer / noisier weights and less precise attention is going to drive false positives way before adding context to a SOTA model will.

You can even see here, AISLE had to print a retraction because someone checked their work and found that just pointing gpt-oss-20b at the patched version generated FP consistently: https://x.com/ChaseBrowe32432/status/2041953028027379806
tehryanx
·3 months ago·discuss
newer models have larger context windows, and more stable reasoning across larger context windows.

If you point your model directly at the thing you want it to assess, and it doesn't have to gather any additional context you're not really testing those things at all.

Say you point kimi and opus at some code and give them an agentic looping harness with code review tools. They're going to start digging into the code gathering context by mapping out references and following leads.

If the bug is really shallow, the model is going to get everything it needs to find it right away, neither of them will have any advantage.

If the bug is deeper, requires a lot more code context, Opus is going to be able to hold onto a lot more information, and it's going to be a lot better at reasoning across all that information. That's a test that would actually compare the models directly.

Mythos is just a bigger model with a larger context window and, presumably, better prioritization and stronger attention mechanisms.
tehryanx
·3 months ago·discuss
I get what you're saying, but I think this is still missing something pretty critical.

The smaller models can recognize the bug when they're looking right at it, that seems to be verified. And with AISLE's approach you can iteratively feed the models one segment at a time cheaply. But if a bug spans multiple segments, the small model doesn't have the breadth of context to understand those segments in composite.

The advantage of the larger model is that it can retain more context and potentially find bugs that require more code context than one segment at a time.

That said, the bugs showcased in the mythos paper all seemed to be shallow bugs that start and end in a single input segment, which is why AISLE was able to find them. But having more context in the window theoretically puts less shallow bugs within range for the model.

I think the point they are making, that the model doesn't matter as much as the harness, stands for shallow bugs but not for vulnerability discovery in general.
tehryanx
·3 months ago·discuss
I first mirrored these in the early 2000s because I was worried it would eventually vanish. my mirror has been gone for decades, and the original survives. :)
tehryanx
·5 months ago·discuss
where is anthropic hyping like that? Most of what I see coming out of anthropic is deep context releases on research they're doing.
tehryanx
·6 months ago·discuss
The real problem here is that this is now the only way the maintainer/reporter can reasonably work.

Proving out a security vulnerability from beginning to end is often very difficult for someone who isn't a domain expert or hasn't seen the code. Many times I've been reasonably confident that an issue was exploitable but unable to prove it, and a 10s interaction with the maintainer was enough to uncover something serious.

Exhausting these report channels is making this unfeasible. But the number of issues that will go undetected, that would have been detected with minimal collaboration between the reporter and the maintainer, is going to be high.
tehryanx
·9 months ago·discuss
Rolling your own browser is 10x more dangerous than rolling your own auth or crypto. Building on top of chromium is a good thing here.
tehryanx
·9 months ago·discuss
Yes it does. He's refuting that in this part of the post:

> When they finally did reply, they seem to have developed some sort of theory that I was interested in “access to PII”, which is entirely false. I have no interest in any PII, commercially or otherwise. As my private email published by Ruby Central demonstrates, my entire proposal was based solely on company-level information, with no information about individuals included in any way. Here’s their response, over three days later.
tehryanx
·10 months ago·discuss
based on the description, I think it's using something similar to GLAN https://arxiv.org/abs/2402.13064
tehryanx
·10 months ago·discuss
this feels like a hundred accidents waiting to happen.