Ask HN: Why does everyone bash Trump? Seriously
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Because this is his position on global warming:
"Well, I think the climate change is just a very, very expensive form of tax. A lot of people are making a lot of money. I know much about climate change. ... " "NBC News just called it the great freeze - coldest weather in years. Is our country still spending money on the GLOBAL WARMING HOAX?" "I don’t believe in climate change." "The concept of global warming was created by and for the Chinese in order to make U.S. manufacturing non-competitive."
The world is much more fucked than it was previously. Because with the US out, there is no way we'll be able to reach a world-wide agreement to reduce CO2 emissions enough to not cause catastrophic climate change.
"Well, I think the climate change is just a very, very expensive form of tax. A lot of people are making a lot of money. I know much about climate change. ... " "NBC News just called it the great freeze - coldest weather in years. Is our country still spending money on the GLOBAL WARMING HOAX?" "I don’t believe in climate change." "The concept of global warming was created by and for the Chinese in order to make U.S. manufacturing non-competitive."
The world is much more fucked than it was previously. Because with the US out, there is no way we'll be able to reach a world-wide agreement to reduce CO2 emissions enough to not cause catastrophic climate change.
Saying those things about Muslims, Mexicans and all the other dumb shit (you go Google it yourself) makes him worse than Bush or Obama.
But not as bad as Clinton. Those vicious wars in the Middle East continued and got worse on her watch. In fact, according to the emails leaked by Wikileaks, she actively solicited payments from the Saudi and the Qatari government whilst she was representing the US as Secretary of State. It took Putin to come in and bomb the fuck out of ISIS to turn the tide of the war. Whatever you Americans will suffer under Trump is nothing compared to what those poor people suffered.
You Americans should feel bad about Clinton, Trump and what your government has done, and will continue to do to the world.
But not as bad as Clinton. Those vicious wars in the Middle East continued and got worse on her watch. In fact, according to the emails leaked by Wikileaks, she actively solicited payments from the Saudi and the Qatari government whilst she was representing the US as Secretary of State. It took Putin to come in and bomb the fuck out of ISIS to turn the tide of the war. Whatever you Americans will suffer under Trump is nothing compared to what those poor people suffered.
You Americans should feel bad about Clinton, Trump and what your government has done, and will continue to do to the world.
I sure do feel bad about Trump, we brought this guy in named Obama and he just amped up Bush's drone wars, and continued many of his policies. All I want is a non-nanny state government who isn't picking fights with countries we have no business being in. Long term that kinda stuff is what caused the USSR to go broke.
America needs a classic New Deal Democrat to focus on rebuilding our countries infrastructure, so our businesses can succeed. Not on restricting what people do with or to themselves when it has no effect on others.
America needs a classic New Deal Democrat to focus on rebuilding our countries infrastructure, so our businesses can succeed. Not on restricting what people do with or to themselves when it has no effect on others.
It doesn't make him worse than Bush or Obama.
It makes him more honest.
I'd tend to think that people who express themselves outside of PC-talk, are actually better than those who learned to lie and hide their mischievous thoughts behind socially accepted PC-talk. The later consistenty do much worse things. You can always label bad things under "good" PC-words. How good is that?
I'd tend to think that people who express themselves outside of PC-talk, are actually better than those who learned to lie and hide their mischievous thoughts behind socially accepted PC-talk. The later consistenty do much worse things. You can always label bad things under "good" PC-words. How good is that?
Trump had a consistent record of telling lies during the campaign. He may have been honest about his racism but he was dishonest about a whole bunch of other things.
He's been consistently lying about everything since the early 70s.
Just because he said some bad words doesn't make him worse than Obama and Bush.
Let's wait and let the guy do his job and then we can comment based on his actions as president.
But having people spamming the net with stupid stuff like moving out of the country is becoming ridiculous.
Let's wait and let the guy do his job and then we can comment based on his actions as president.
But having people spamming the net with stupid stuff like moving out of the country is becoming ridiculous.
Look at the GOP's policies. They have full control of the legislature and Trump is going to sign whatever Ryan et al pass across his desk. That's terrifying because they're going to bolster Citizens United and continue gutting the Voting Rights Act. They also get a free "however batshit" appointment to the Supreme Court (and potentially 3 more) which strengthens their bolstering and gutting.
It'll be decades before the next 4 years is unravelled.
It'll be decades before the next 4 years is unravelled.
They aren't just bad words.
How must it feel to be a child growing up in a country where the president has demonized you, your whole family and heritage? That must influence how a person sees themselves in the world.
There will definitely be long lasting psychological consequences at minimum.
How must it feel to be a child growing up in a country where the president has demonized you, your whole family and heritage? That must influence how a person sees themselves in the world.
There will definitely be long lasting psychological consequences at minimum.
The majority voted for Hillary, by 200,000 votes. Our electoral college system and the Democratic Party not controlling many states due to their own failings at state level politics is what is allowing Trump to win despite losing the popular vote.
There is a deep seated fear of what will happen under Trump, whether that be the banning of abortions, another bubble like under George W Bush, the destruction of trade ties with most foreign countries, etc.
Hell, I'm afraid tariffs caused by the destruction of NAFTA will cause me to have to replace this Canadian software product with my own in short order, and I do not have $300k and skills in HIPPA to do so. Compliance after writing it will cost $40k a year!
Tax wise I highly doubt my taxes will drop, if your making over 6 figures, it may be good for you (the more income you have, the more likely you will save $$$), but if you are a working stiff, expect the earned income tax credit and similar credits for the working poor to go away, and for more regressive taxes to replace lost revenue from the reduction in taxes for those that are very well off.
Additionally, expect all federal transit funds to disappear. No highway repairs or expansions, no federal funds to build mass transit, no investment in any infrastructure besides the wall. Cities will slowly economically strangle themselves in traffic, with no pressure relief valve (grade separated mass transit).
If anything, 10 million people skipped voting this election, and even if they had voted, half of people eligible to vote did not turn out to vote. If we Americans want a better government, we need to hit the streets and fight for a better country. I've been at one rally and one candlelight vigil already today, but I am not expecting much.
There is a deep seated fear of what will happen under Trump, whether that be the banning of abortions, another bubble like under George W Bush, the destruction of trade ties with most foreign countries, etc.
Hell, I'm afraid tariffs caused by the destruction of NAFTA will cause me to have to replace this Canadian software product with my own in short order, and I do not have $300k and skills in HIPPA to do so. Compliance after writing it will cost $40k a year!
Tax wise I highly doubt my taxes will drop, if your making over 6 figures, it may be good for you (the more income you have, the more likely you will save $$$), but if you are a working stiff, expect the earned income tax credit and similar credits for the working poor to go away, and for more regressive taxes to replace lost revenue from the reduction in taxes for those that are very well off.
Additionally, expect all federal transit funds to disappear. No highway repairs or expansions, no federal funds to build mass transit, no investment in any infrastructure besides the wall. Cities will slowly economically strangle themselves in traffic, with no pressure relief valve (grade separated mass transit).
If anything, 10 million people skipped voting this election, and even if they had voted, half of people eligible to vote did not turn out to vote. If we Americans want a better government, we need to hit the streets and fight for a better country. I've been at one rally and one candlelight vigil already today, but I am not expecting much.
I don't like Trump... but the guy made billions ... even tho some people will argue that he avoided paying taxes and other stuff.
Still... he is not stupid, he will not go bananas. I think there will be economic growth in America. Hopefully less corruption and no terrorism. Look at Europe... they have the "open mindset" approach and there are more problems there than anywhere in the world (regarding politics, terrorism and common people not being happy)
Still... he is not stupid, he will not go bananas. I think there will be economic growth in America. Hopefully less corruption and no terrorism. Look at Europe... they have the "open mindset" approach and there are more problems there than anywhere in the world (regarding politics, terrorism and common people not being happy)
> Look at Europe... they have the "open mindset" approach and there are more problems there than anywhere in the world (regarding politics, terrorism and common people not being happy)
What? I'll grant you the corrupt politicians and stupid politics, but you get those anywhere and everywhere.
Terrorism? Yeah, sure it seems to have spiked lately, but if you count mass shootings as terrorism I'd wager the US would have more incidences of terrorism than any European nation. The US is also listed as having a higher rank on the Global Terrorism Index for 2015.
And finally, Europe has some of the most highly rated nations in terms of their citizens' happiness, at least the Scandinavians are enjoying themselves.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Global_Terrorism_Index (2015 data) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_Happiness_Report (2016 data)
What? I'll grant you the corrupt politicians and stupid politics, but you get those anywhere and everywhere.
Terrorism? Yeah, sure it seems to have spiked lately, but if you count mass shootings as terrorism I'd wager the US would have more incidences of terrorism than any European nation. The US is also listed as having a higher rank on the Global Terrorism Index for 2015.
And finally, Europe has some of the most highly rated nations in terms of their citizens' happiness, at least the Scandinavians are enjoying themselves.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Global_Terrorism_Index (2015 data) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_Happiness_Report (2016 data)
Terrorism is such a low priority though, we would be much better off focusing on cutting our mortality rate from car accidents and maternal deaths during pregnancy, we would save waaaay more people from dying with much less funding.
There is no good reason we can't cut maternal deaths to under 100 versus the 670 odd deaths a year currently, we have the infrastructure, just not the willpower to save those 570 women's lives.
There is no good reason we can't cut maternal deaths to under 100 versus the 670 odd deaths a year currently, we have the infrastructure, just not the willpower to save those 570 women's lives.
As a data point, car accidents in the US have killed 10x as many as 9/11 -every single year- since 1946.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_motor_vehicle_deaths_i...
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_motor_vehicle_deaths_i...
We can save a good percentage of those 35k people that die every year, at least a few 9/11's a year with just a bit of funding for traffic safety improvements.
I remember as a kid going to a section of railroad track with my mother, where I then asked her why we were here. She said to me "This is where I saved 4 lives a year, this 6 block section of track." One section of sidewalk and a small wood pedestrian bridge saved 2 to 3 kids and 1 to 2 adults (mostly women on their morning jog) from dying every year.
That was one of her proudest accomplishments, even if it was one of the most minor projects she ever did. Simple safety improvements can save many lives, and economically are a great investment. Every dead person is a net loss for the US economically & socially.
On a tangent here, we can fight for a better future, but we need to get Americans protesting for it in streets all across America.
I remember as a kid going to a section of railroad track with my mother, where I then asked her why we were here. She said to me "This is where I saved 4 lives a year, this 6 block section of track." One section of sidewalk and a small wood pedestrian bridge saved 2 to 3 kids and 1 to 2 adults (mostly women on their morning jog) from dying every year.
That was one of her proudest accomplishments, even if it was one of the most minor projects she ever did. Simple safety improvements can save many lives, and economically are a great investment. Every dead person is a net loss for the US economically & socially.
On a tangent here, we can fight for a better future, but we need to get Americans protesting for it in streets all across America.
Trump isn't the sharpest tool in the shed, but he is not stupid. I predict economic growth via another few bubbles under his presidency, and during that I hope to be one of the ones to get in & get out from one of those bubbles.
Not saying my hope to get in & get out is realistic, but I can dream.
Not saying my hope to get in & get out is realistic, but I can dream.
I believe Trump inherited his billions and actually lost money overall so he didn't made any $$.
He inherited more than Paris Hilton and turned it into less than she did[1]. Also hasn't even outperformed an index fund[2].
[1] https://www.quora.com/Is-Donald-Trump-a-business-genius [2] http://fortune.com/2015/08/20/donald-trump-index-funds/
[1] https://www.quora.com/Is-Donald-Trump-a-business-genius [2] http://fortune.com/2015/08/20/donald-trump-index-funds/
Let's wait and see what will happen. I doubt anything crazy will happen. The mass majority of voters decided to go with Trump ... that means there are bigger problems among the common people.
Uhh, what are you smoking, Trump lost the popular vote by 200k votes. Republicans control the House & Senate, what I described above is a rosy version of what they have stated is going to occur. Transit funds are going away, likely faster than Bush got rid of them.
>What's the worst that it will happen to you?
I don't want to make this too personal, but I notice that in another post you were talking about how you have a site which is aiming to make it easier for Latinos to get jobs in tech. And by the way, it sucks that it got such a negative reaction, but HN is a very conservative forum.
Trump's policies might not have an effect on you personally. (I'm aware that the majority of Latinos in the US are citizens or green card holders and don't have to worry about immigration rules, etc.) But I'm kind of baffled that you can't see why Latinos in general might have something to fear from a Trump presidency. If Trump means what he says, millions of Latinos are going to be deported, including family members of US citizens.
I don't want to make this too personal, but I notice that in another post you were talking about how you have a site which is aiming to make it easier for Latinos to get jobs in tech. And by the way, it sucks that it got such a negative reaction, but HN is a very conservative forum.
Trump's policies might not have an effect on you personally. (I'm aware that the majority of Latinos in the US are citizens or green card holders and don't have to worry about immigration rules, etc.) But I'm kind of baffled that you can't see why Latinos in general might have something to fear from a Trump presidency. If Trump means what he says, millions of Latinos are going to be deported, including family members of US citizens.
Latinos who are US citizens have nothing to worry about YOU ARE RIGHT! Why do the ones that are here illegally have right not to be threatened? They are breaking the law and hurting our citizens. We have to draw the line somewhere. The majority of Trump supporters are not full of hate, they are just tired of being taken advantage of
Unless they have parents or other relatives who aren't officially allowed to be here. There are a lot of people in that situation. Deporting everyone who's in violation of immigration rules would involve splitting up an enormous number of families, and gut whole sections of the economy.
> The majority of Trump supporters are not full of hate,
But it's not Trump supporters who are now running the country. It's Donald Trump. It doesn't matter how nice you are if you vote for a hateful candidate.
> The majority of Trump supporters are not full of hate,
But it's not Trump supporters who are now running the country. It's Donald Trump. It doesn't matter how nice you are if you vote for a hateful candidate.
>...and gut whole sections of the economy.
And those jobs will now go to Americans who needs a job.
And those jobs will now go to Americans who needs a job.
You're fucking insane if you think that's going to happen.
A lot of Germans didn't do too badly out of Kristallnacht either. If you think that putting people in camps and spitting up families is a good way of lowering unemployment then, well, we will soon see how that works out. I hope that you will be held accountable for your views when the US returns to sanity.
No one is getting sent to concentration camps. People who are here illegally, especially criminals, are just being sent back to their home country.
Remember, it's the United States of America, not the United States of Earth. We shouldn't have to be responsible for citizens of other countries. It's time for other countries to start taking care of their own citizens too. Why should we have to take care of citizens of all those other countries? Maybe it's time they get their own Trump, so they can Make Their Countries Great Again too.
And it's not like they can't come back. They can come back, but they have to do it legally, through the Legal Immigration Process, like everyone else.
There are millions of legal immigrants waiting in line to get into the United States. Why should illegal be able to cut straight to the front of the line? That is not fair to the legal immigrants who have been waiting in line for months or years.
Not only that, what Trump is doing is nothing new. Did you know that Obama deported more than 2.5 million illegal immigrants?
And George Bush deported 2 million illegal immigrants.
Trump is just continuing what Obama have been doing.
Of course, it would be great if the United States have enough money to take care of everybody in the world, but... we have to be realistic.
http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/obamas-deportation-policy-num...
Remember, it's the United States of America, not the United States of Earth. We shouldn't have to be responsible for citizens of other countries. It's time for other countries to start taking care of their own citizens too. Why should we have to take care of citizens of all those other countries? Maybe it's time they get their own Trump, so they can Make Their Countries Great Again too.
And it's not like they can't come back. They can come back, but they have to do it legally, through the Legal Immigration Process, like everyone else.
There are millions of legal immigrants waiting in line to get into the United States. Why should illegal be able to cut straight to the front of the line? That is not fair to the legal immigrants who have been waiting in line for months or years.
Not only that, what Trump is doing is nothing new. Did you know that Obama deported more than 2.5 million illegal immigrants?
And George Bush deported 2 million illegal immigrants.
Trump is just continuing what Obama have been doing.
Of course, it would be great if the United States have enough money to take care of everybody in the world, but... we have to be realistic.
http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/obamas-deportation-policy-num...
> People who are here illegally, especially criminals, are just being sent back to their home country
There is no way of deporting millions of people without processing them through camps or detention centers of some sort.
> They can come back, but they have to do it legally, through the Legal Immigration Process, like everyone else.
Which visa would a typical Mexican person apply for to immigrate to the US legally?
There is no way of deporting millions of people without processing them through camps or detention centers of some sort.
> They can come back, but they have to do it legally, through the Legal Immigration Process, like everyone else.
Which visa would a typical Mexican person apply for to immigrate to the US legally?
>There is no way of deporting millions of people without processing them through camps or detention centers of some sort.
Well, gonna have to research how Obama and Bush did it. If they can do it, Trump should be able to do the same thing.
>Which visa would a typical Mexican person apply for to immigrate to the US legally?
Well, how I came was, I had to apply for a Green Card to become a resident (legal immigrant) of the United States.
You can also apply for any work related visas that you qualify for (work visa is temporary residency only). Or, you can marry a U.S. citizen (permanent citizenship).
The good thing is, Trump plans to make the Immigration Process more efficient and faster for people who are legally migrating to the United States.
Well, gonna have to research how Obama and Bush did it. If they can do it, Trump should be able to do the same thing.
>Which visa would a typical Mexican person apply for to immigrate to the US legally?
Well, how I came was, I had to apply for a Green Card to become a resident (legal immigrant) of the United States.
You can also apply for any work related visas that you qualify for (work visa is temporary residency only). Or, you can marry a U.S. citizen (permanent citizenship).
The good thing is, Trump plans to make the Immigration Process more efficient and faster for people who are legally migrating to the United States.
>Well, gonna have to research how Obama and Bush did it.
They process them through detention centers.
> I had to apply for a Green Card
Citizens of Mexico are not eligible for the green card lottery, so there is no way they can just "apply" for a green card. They would have to come on some kind of visa first.
> You can also apply for any work related visas that you qualify for
Most people do not qualify for any such visas. Mexicans can get NAFTA visas if they have the right kind of job offer (until Trump does away with NAFTA, of course), but those are nonimmigrant visas, and almost certain to be denied to people who have family in the US, since this would be taken as indication of immigrant intent.
>Or, you can marry a U.S. citizen
Difficult when you are living in Mexico.
They process them through detention centers.
> I had to apply for a Green Card
Citizens of Mexico are not eligible for the green card lottery, so there is no way they can just "apply" for a green card. They would have to come on some kind of visa first.
> You can also apply for any work related visas that you qualify for
Most people do not qualify for any such visas. Mexicans can get NAFTA visas if they have the right kind of job offer (until Trump does away with NAFTA, of course), but those are nonimmigrant visas, and almost certain to be denied to people who have family in the US, since this would be taken as indication of immigrant intent.
>Or, you can marry a U.S. citizen
Difficult when you are living in Mexico.
Well, it makes sense now why Trump said he wants to streamline the immigration process.
Another thing though is, the United States can not save everyone. In this case, Mexico will have to negotiate with Trump, if they want to send their people to the United States.
Maybe Mexico can even agree to build a wall, in return for Green Cards...
Another thing though is, the United States can not save everyone. In this case, Mexico will have to negotiate with Trump, if they want to send their people to the United States.
Maybe Mexico can even agree to build a wall, in return for Green Cards...
Okay fascist.
Are Obama and Bush fascist too?
Is all those other Presidents that deports immigrants fascist too?
You keep using the word fascist, but you do not know what it means.
Is all those other Presidents that deports immigrants fascist too?
You keep using the word fascist, but you do not know what it means.
It is very likely US citizens will be deported in the process, think about how many people it took to round up just 110,000 Japanese[1] during WW2 to put in concentration camps in the US, now think of it on the scale of tens of millions.
What do we do with the millions that are undocumented but have no nationality? Where can we put them? Are they perchance actually US Citizens that have been in the US since we took over vast swaths of Mexico?
[1] - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internment_of_Japanese_America...
What do we do with the millions that are undocumented but have no nationality? Where can we put them? Are they perchance actually US Citizens that have been in the US since we took over vast swaths of Mexico?
[1] - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internment_of_Japanese_America...
>> Why does everyone bash Trump?
The media and vocal politically minded and linguistically astute people are bashing him. Take comfort in the quiet majority who are going back to work today and don't have time for throwing tantrums in the streets.
The election outcome is based on how the Electoral Collage works. Had it been based on a pure turnout, more people would have voted. I think only 5M voted in California? That is a tiny representation. So, not everyone even cares. Just a few with soapboxes.
The media and vocal politically minded and linguistically astute people are bashing him. Take comfort in the quiet majority who are going back to work today and don't have time for throwing tantrums in the streets.
The election outcome is based on how the Electoral Collage works. Had it been based on a pure turnout, more people would have voted. I think only 5M voted in California? That is a tiny representation. So, not everyone even cares. Just a few with soapboxes.
> What's the worst that it will happen to you?
To most people on HN? Nothing.
To women? Losing agency over their bodies. To black people? Losing the right to vote. To LGBTQ people? Losing a lot of rights. etc.etc.
To most people on HN? Nothing.
To women? Losing agency over their bodies. To black people? Losing the right to vote. To LGBTQ people? Losing a lot of rights. etc.etc.
>To black people? Losing the right to vote.
What? What policy is this?
What? What policy is this?
LGBTQ people are still either men or women, so they are always entitled to their rights as men or as women.
Do you mean that because they label themselves LGBTQ they have MORE rights than "normal" people?
How shameful of them of having and keeping more rights! They should be the first to be wanting to relinquish them!
Do you mean that because they label themselves LGBTQ they have MORE rights than "normal" people?
How shameful of them of having and keeping more rights! They should be the first to be wanting to relinquish them!
>so they are always entitled to their rights as men or as women.
Not if the supreme court overturns the previous ruling on gay marriage.
Not if the supreme court overturns the previous ruling on gay marriage.
Trump said he's "NOT going to try to overturn it. The Supreme Court have already ruled, so let's leave it be."
It's not up to Trump. It's up to whichever conservative justices he may end up appointing to the supreme court.
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Don't discourage them. This is the "see them driven before you, and hear the lamentation of their women" phase. Let the victors enjoy it for a bit longer.
He is the most public, easily trolled troll.
So much misinformation about Trump. One of the reason why it's hard for people to understand the election result.
You'll find out very soon.
What's the worst that it will happen to you? Probably pay less in taxes, other than that life will continue as normal.
I really doubt he can be worse than Bush or Obama.