Tip Jar(blog.twitter.com)
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Tip Jar
https://blog.twitter.com/en_us/topics/product/2021/introducing-tip-jar.html
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> *Payment service availability and features vary by region
Why do companies think they can compete with internet payment services that don't have any of these arbitrary restrictions placed upon them?
Why do companies think they can compete with internet payment services that don't have any of these arbitrary restrictions placed upon them?
Do any such services exist?
In part because the cloud is just someone else's computer, and someone else's computer runs somewhere and is thus subject to human civilization and laws.
The cloud and p2p networks are different things.
Bittorrent (in its traditional use case of piracy) is still as illegal as ever and still going strong. So are cocaine sales, as is Uniswap's giant permissionless unregulated/unregistered securities market.
I think perhaps people overestimate the ability to effectively regulate.
Bittorrent (in its traditional use case of piracy) is still as illegal as ever and still going strong. So are cocaine sales, as is Uniswap's giant permissionless unregulated/unregistered securities market.
I think perhaps people overestimate the ability to effectively regulate.
Twitter not taking a cut is surprising and welcome.
They know there will be an uproar if they take a cut today. But once everyone is used to using it they'll introduce their cut and make money.
Like when instagram started they promised they'd have no ads
Like when instagram started they promised they'd have no ads
It's shit like this that makes me wish people would switch to Mastodon, but it won't happen because the "big names" aren't on there. Wil Wheaton tried, but got bombarded with an endless slew of "Shut the fuck up Wesley" until he quit. The cynic in me thinks this could have been a coordinated effort by Twitter to try to keep people from leaving for greener pastures, but that's probably just my tinfoil hat showing.
You don't need a conspiracy if your success relies only on people on the internet being scumbags. Unfortunate reality is that you'll always win taking that side of the bet.
It's much more likely that Mastodon is just full of the sort of people who get kicked off all the centralised platforms.
Mastodon is that, but also the opposite. It literally depends entirely on which instance you choose. There are servers of all kinds, here are some listed on their site:
General (41) Regional (29) Art (7) Music (2) Journalism (1) Activism (7) LGBTQ+ (7) Gaming (5) Technology (15) Furry (3) Food (2)
General (41) Regional (29) Art (7) Music (2) Journalism (1) Activism (7) LGBTQ+ (7) Gaming (5) Technology (15) Furry (3) Food (2)
And if you find you get a lot of the toxic variety coming from a certain instance, you can block it entirely.
Keep in mind that if Twitter took a cut of tips, that would automatically trigger the App Store's 30% in-app payment tax for any user who tips on their iPhone. (According to App Store rules, if an in-app payment goes 100% to the creator with zero platform cut, then Apple foregoes the 30% fee.)
It's similar to why Clubhouse isn't currently taking a cut of creator payments: they can't do it without paying the App Store fees.
It's similar to why Clubhouse isn't currently taking a cut of creator payments: they can't do it without paying the App Store fees.
Ah, the App Store tax. The gift that keeps on giving... or taking, whatever.
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In my experience it's better to shop around payment processors to see if they are willing to take less than the 2.9%, and keep that markup to yourself.
Apparently if you send someone a tip with this they get your mailing address as part of the receipt. https://twitter.com/racheltobac/status/1390409874006183936
This is a PayPal issue, but Twitter are responding by adding a warning so people know it will happen: https://twitter.com/kayvz/status/1390423761183117312?
This is a PayPal issue, but Twitter are responding by adding a warning so people know it will happen: https://twitter.com/kayvz/status/1390423761183117312?
That appears to specifically be with PayPal, not the Tip Jar feature in general.
I do agree with the OP on Twitter though. While this is a PayPal thing, Twitter is integrating them into their service and so should be educating their users.
Based on follow up tweets from the OP it looks like Twitter have already reacted to it in some way? Not sure. Would be interesting to see what they do.
I do agree with the OP on Twitter though. While this is a PayPal thing, Twitter is integrating them into their service and so should be educating their users.
Based on follow up tweets from the OP it looks like Twitter have already reacted to it in some way? Not sure. Would be interesting to see what they do.
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Yep PayPal is awful about this stuff. I have a friend who's deadname was leaking through PayPal reciepts. They couldn't change it because PayPal insisted on showing the name of the account holder which was validated through the bank account linking. To protect them I now manage the account they have people send payments and donations to. It's suboptimal but it's the only way we can be totally sure their deadname doesn't show again.
I knew PayPal was bad before, but I've hated them ever since that info leak.
I knew PayPal was bad before, but I've hated them ever since that info leak.
Today's ten thousand: "Deadnaming" is apparently calling a transgender person by the old name they abandoned, a "deadname" being the name of their former identity.
IMO that's a weird term.
IMO that's a weird term.
Deleting a record in some databases uses a process of marking the record with a “tombstone”, processes can be killed. Abandoning a former name that doesn’t align with a gender identity? Yeah, it’s dead to me.
Oh I get the logic all right, but I imagine the transition is a pretty sensitive topic that can be difficult for some family members or acquaintances. And this kind of vocabulary (death-related) in this context sounds like an odd choice.
But that's just a thought, I have no idea how it feels to transition and what kind of emotions are involved. Maybe it's more definitive that way, acting like the former identity does not "live" anymore.
But that's just a thought, I have no idea how it feels to transition and what kind of emotions are involved. Maybe it's more definitive that way, acting like the former identity does not "live" anymore.
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Could it not be fixed by updating the bank account name?
you have to update your social security card first. it's doable, but it's a whole chain of paperwork and documents. I transitioned 5 years ago and I still haven't really updated my legal name.
You aren't kidding... I just spent a little time reading about the process, but stopped when I was about a dozen tabs deep.
But isn't legal name official name?
I mean, I can claim my name is whatever I like, but when the police pull me or a bank clerk ask me for an ID to identify myself before withdrawing the money, what stays there would be something different.
I am surprised that in the USA one is even allowed to present himself in the official context by the "non official" name. Is changing a legal name there so complex? Yes, it's a lot of work to change all documents, but does it really take five years?
I mean, I can claim my name is whatever I like, but when the police pull me or a bank clerk ask me for an ID to identify myself before withdrawing the money, what stays there would be something different.
I am surprised that in the USA one is even allowed to present himself in the official context by the "non official" name. Is changing a legal name there so complex? Yes, it's a lot of work to change all documents, but does it really take five years?
so the process, iirc, is:
* Court order to change name (I've done this, but decided I didn't like the name so I need to do it again.)
* Send form to change sex on driver's license (did this.)
* Go in person to DMV to update name and get new photo (haven't done this because pandemic.)
* Update gender and name on passport (requires attestation from doctor, copy of court order, previous passport and current ID, if passport is expired) (haven't done this.)
* Update gender and name on social security card (requires updated passport.)
* Update name on bank (requires updated social security card)
And to change sex on birth certificate, according to the rules of my state:
* Get endorsements from therapist and psychiatrist for vaginoplasty.
* Get vaginoplasty.
* Doctor attests to the state that you have a vagina now.
* Original birth certificate, attestation and passport -> updated birth certificate.
The last step isn't super necessary unless you're emigrating to another country.
* Court order to change name (I've done this, but decided I didn't like the name so I need to do it again.)
* Send form to change sex on driver's license (did this.)
* Go in person to DMV to update name and get new photo (haven't done this because pandemic.)
* Update gender and name on passport (requires attestation from doctor, copy of court order, previous passport and current ID, if passport is expired) (haven't done this.)
* Update gender and name on social security card (requires updated passport.)
* Update name on bank (requires updated social security card)
And to change sex on birth certificate, according to the rules of my state:
* Get endorsements from therapist and psychiatrist for vaginoplasty.
* Get vaginoplasty.
* Doctor attests to the state that you have a vagina now.
* Original birth certificate, attestation and passport -> updated birth certificate.
The last step isn't super necessary unless you're emigrating to another country.
Looks unnecessary complicated, but it seems there's no way around some of the complexity if you live in a country without a centrally issued ID for every citizen.
However, the whole gender and name changing process should not have to be more complicated than what people that want to change name after marrying have to do. But I guess there's still no political will to make it simpler.
However, the whole gender and name changing process should not have to be more complicated than what people that want to change name after marrying have to do. But I guess there's still no political will to make it simpler.
This seems like an issue on the Twitter implementation side. I don't know how the newer PayPal API handles it but on the one I am familiar with.
NOSHIPPING 1 — PayPal does not display shipping address fields and removes shipping information from the transaction.
https://developer.paypal.com/docs/nvp-soap-api/set-express-c...
NOSHIPPING 1 — PayPal does not display shipping address fields and removes shipping information from the transaction.
https://developer.paypal.com/docs/nvp-soap-api/set-express-c...
This is pretty dissuading from using the tip feature. Ultimately, Twitter had to make a choice of which processor to go with and PayPal was clearly the winner here. Perhaps in a year or so they may move to Stripe.
What would (maybe) be a good move is to process the transactions through Twitter itself?
What would (maybe) be a good move is to process the transactions through Twitter itself?
I think it’s quite smart to launch this sans-crypto to avoid headlines, ensure the feature works well and is received well, and then add additional payment methods weeks or months later.
I do wonder if this hurts or helps twitter as a product tho - I can’t say I’ve been enjoying the recent “only so-and-sos friends can reply to this post” trend. But now we will see very popular tweets with no discussion allowed that is also earning money from sycophants? I can’t say that makes me excited to jump on twitter - although clearly this doesn’t sway a large number of users off Facebook either so maybe I’m not the target market here... it does seem strange though that after a decade of talk about social media bubbles, we seem to be reinforcing them explicitly!
At what point is a read-only tweet, shown only to those who already agree and which asks for donations, any different from televangelism? It feels about as alien to discussion (presumably the purpose of twitter) as one can imagine.
I do wonder if this hurts or helps twitter as a product tho - I can’t say I’ve been enjoying the recent “only so-and-sos friends can reply to this post” trend. But now we will see very popular tweets with no discussion allowed that is also earning money from sycophants? I can’t say that makes me excited to jump on twitter - although clearly this doesn’t sway a large number of users off Facebook either so maybe I’m not the target market here... it does seem strange though that after a decade of talk about social media bubbles, we seem to be reinforcing them explicitly!
At what point is a read-only tweet, shown only to those who already agree and which asks for donations, any different from televangelism? It feels about as alien to discussion (presumably the purpose of twitter) as one can imagine.
There are plenty of uses for Twitter unrelated to debate or discussion. Sharing news, building a community, posting about your day, etc.
Not just that, there are plenty of debates and discussions that don't need every single one of the billions of people on this planet as potential participants.
The people who decry changes like being able to restrict who can reply to you as "eroding discussion" don't seem to realise that what they're actually saying is "either you commit to listening to/engaging with random total strangers yelling whatever they want at you or you shouldn't say anything at all". In my opinion that silently stifles far more speech than the alternative.
The people who decry changes like being able to restrict who can reply to you as "eroding discussion" don't seem to realise that what they're actually saying is "either you commit to listening to/engaging with random total strangers yelling whatever they want at you or you shouldn't say anything at all". In my opinion that silently stifles far more speech than the alternative.
>there are plenty of debates and discussions that don't need every single one of the billions of people on this planet as potential participants.
But WHO decides that? It is just like here on Hacker News, you cannot down vote until you have 500 upvotes? I may have a new novel idea or frame of reference that could benefit the world but I get downvoted on everything I say it never gets out.
So who decides? The one's in control of the platform. And that is horrible. Look at the trouble the woman who invented the mRNA vaccine went through!
But WHO decides that? It is just like here on Hacker News, you cannot down vote until you have 500 upvotes? I may have a new novel idea or frame of reference that could benefit the world but I get downvoted on everything I say it never gets out.
So who decides? The one's in control of the platform. And that is horrible. Look at the trouble the woman who invented the mRNA vaccine went through!
> But WHO decides that?
The person who is talking, as is very obvious from the feature being discussed.
The person who is talking, as is very obvious from the feature being discussed.
> But now we will see very popular tweets with no discussion allowed that is also earning money from sycophants?
Then unfollow those people
Then unfollow those people
It hurts. It most certainly hurts. Everyone will evolve into the most perfect beggar. Yes, it will possibly be a slow devolution than what happened at YouTube, but it will happen.
Twitter is bad enough without easy money involved. People call it public commenting, but it's not. Not if you can block some one or limit why sees your tweets. Just another curated self to expose to the world, and the money, as I said, will only make not worse.
Twitter is bad enough without easy money involved. People call it public commenting, but it's not. Not if you can block some one or limit why sees your tweets. Just another curated self to expose to the world, and the money, as I said, will only make not worse.
How do they avoid giving 30% to Apple? I guess there's a carve-out for P2P cash, like Venmo? Is this why they're not taking a cut?
Since Twitter's cut is zero, they owe Apple 30% of zero.
According to App Store rules, if an in-app payment all goes to the creator with zero platform cut, then Apple foregoes the 30% fee.
> On Android, tips can also be sent within Spaces.
Then why they couldn't do this on iOS as well?
Then why they couldn't do this on iOS as well?
3.2.1.vii Apps may enable individual users to give a monetary gift to another individual without using in-app purchase, provided that (a) the gift is a completely optional choice by the giver, and (b) 100% of the funds go to the receiver of the gift. However, a gift that is connected to or associated at any point in time with receiving digital content or services must use in-app purchase.
Seems like a lot of taps to send a tip.
I was expecting an experience closer to Tippin.me [1] where there's a click to tip, and another to confirm. Tippin.me, happens to be built on Bitcoin's Lightning Network so maybe Twitter will leverage Square's (also run by Jack Dorsey who's keen on Bitcoin) CashApp to do something similar in the future.
I could see the tip jar functionality go in the direction where a user deposits some amount of BTC to Twitter (opens up a LN channel with Twitter in the backend) and then a tap or click on the tip button results in a preset 100 sats tip.
[1] https://tippin.me
I was expecting an experience closer to Tippin.me [1] where there's a click to tip, and another to confirm. Tippin.me, happens to be built on Bitcoin's Lightning Network so maybe Twitter will leverage Square's (also run by Jack Dorsey who's keen on Bitcoin) CashApp to do something similar in the future.
I could see the tip jar functionality go in the direction where a user deposits some amount of BTC to Twitter (opens up a LN channel with Twitter in the backend) and then a tap or click on the tip button results in a preset 100 sats tip.
[1] https://tippin.me
Would like to see some Zelle integration, as almost all major banks in the US already integrate with it. No need for crypto or closed wallets (PayPal and Cash app), just tie into existing instant payment infra.
https://www.zellepay.com/get-started
https://www.zellepay.com/get-started
This feature is built upon user-specific URLs, and Zelle unfortunately doesn't have a public URL system. In fact, you can only access the Zelle network within the site/app for your bank.
Thanks, I will get this feedback to a Zelle PM.
Is there a way to link to the Tip Jar, or do you have to direct people to your profile? When I've seen people offer tip jars, it's at the end of a long thread and takes people to a payment service. I wonder how "Tip Jar is on my profile" would perform against a link in a tweet.
Surprised to see no bitcoin after all of dorsey’s crypto boosting.
You can send / receive Bitcoin on Cash app which is supported.
whole point of bitcoin is not needing a middle man :)
So people can get a $30 fee to tip $1?
You surely don’t think that actual dollars settle every time you pay with a credit card, Venmo, or PayPal? You realize that settlement takes weeks?
Micro-paying with Bitcoin on a centralized platform like PayPal is essentially the same as dollars. Final settlement in BTC can come later when someone wants to withdraw their balance.
Micro-paying with Bitcoin on a centralized platform like PayPal is essentially the same as dollars. Final settlement in BTC can come later when someone wants to withdraw their balance.
Credit card settlements happen next business day, not after weeks. Venmo and PayPal transactions settle instantly. You can spend the money immediately. PayPal also supports instant bank transfers, so you can transfer it out and withdraw it from an ATM as cash a minute later if you'd like.
They are referring to cash settlement, not spending ability, I believe ("You realize that settlement takes weeks?"). The difference is nearly unnoticeable to the end user, whether or not the actual cash is moved, because they can still spend it.
Most people don’t have bitcoins
> Surprised to see no bitcoin after all of dorsey’s crypto boosting
This will eventually lead to crypto donations. They're Trojan-horsing that in eventually is my prediction.
This will eventually lead to crypto donations. They're Trojan-horsing that in eventually is my prediction.
how to make people even more angry with Twitter:
Allow us to tip the "Promoted" tweets so you don't see them again.
You're welcome (sorry)
You're welcome (sorry)
Easier to just tap the “not interested on this ad” button
ever found that to be particularly effective?
I put a concerted effort into doing that for a week... every advert.
they started returning after a while.
they started returning after a while.
I don't know if this will work on Twitter, but on Instagram, I decided to deal with annoying ads by liking all ads from reMarkable, a device I already own and whose ads at least look visually nice, and reporting all other ads. So far I only ever see rM ads and I hope it stays that way. Which it might as long as reMarkable runs ads on Instagram.
Aren't you hurting reMarkable with that behaviour? You're not going to buy from them and they pay to have those ads shown to you.
Somebody has mentioned this about Patreon before. But couldn't a drug dealer now just sign up to Twitter and get Tips from their customers instead of cash?
Then gets mixed up who paid and who didn’t
It's probable that drug dealers could use this, but there's a bit of a marketing hurdle if they do decide to go that route. Can you imagine the awkwardness of explaining that you want funds received through Twitter? It's a nightmare since twitter is a public arena and doesn't even use E2E encryption for its DMs, so police can have a nose at your convos.
A drug dealer could also get cheese from their customers instead of cash. Would that make sense? About as much as using twitter tips, I guess.
The drug dealer could already use Venmo or CashApp or Paypal or a hundred other apps. Twitter isn't adding anything new.
I remember in 2017 in /r/dogecoin, we would tip each other thousands of doge (back then, it was 1/10th of a penny) for "such many random and much wow comment in forum". This was achieved with a DOGE tipping bot.
This idea will most likely work if Twitter starts supporting it as a first class feature. And maybe it will encourage people to speak about things that are valuable. Or maybe it will continue to encourage the Twitter mob to just tear the other side apart. I don't know.
This idea will most likely work if Twitter starts supporting it as a first class feature. And maybe it will encourage people to speak about things that are valuable. Or maybe it will continue to encourage the Twitter mob to just tear the other side apart. I don't know.
Not sure if you remember what happened with that. The creator of dogetipbot held the money that wasn't withdrawn, then eventually froze withdrawals and absconded with a possible fortune (they claimed they were burning it to pay for ridiculous server costs, but I can't imagine running it would cost more than $20/week unless it was horrendously misconfigured)
> but I can't imagine running it would cost more than $20/week unless it was horrendously misconfigured
Oh boy do I have news for you! Todays technology evangelists always starts a new product with at least three instances running three docker containers each, on expensive EC2 instances where you even pay for the bandwidth that should be free. Doesn't matter if you've found a product market fit first, engineers will read the latest Medium posts and implement things before thinking if they really need it.
I've stopped counting the number of times I've seen over-engineered systems simply because developers just jump around implementing stuff they seem fit without actually researching things.
So yes, probably most of the infrastructure you visit today could have been more lightweight, but that's not what the people implementing said infrastructure aims for.
Oh boy do I have news for you! Todays technology evangelists always starts a new product with at least three instances running three docker containers each, on expensive EC2 instances where you even pay for the bandwidth that should be free. Doesn't matter if you've found a product market fit first, engineers will read the latest Medium posts and implement things before thinking if they really need it.
I've stopped counting the number of times I've seen over-engineered systems simply because developers just jump around implementing stuff they seem fit without actually researching things.
So yes, probably most of the infrastructure you visit today could have been more lightweight, but that's not what the people implementing said infrastructure aims for.
On the other hand /r/cryptocurrency introduced "moons" as tipping mechanism and the quality of the discussions went downhill really quick. Nowadays, there's lots of sob stories or random posts about how a person just bought in to some random coin, personal anecdotes, etc.
I think whatever tipping is implemented needs to be pretty much worthless (aka mostly symbolic), otherwise, people will just spend a lot of their time just trying to game it. In many parts of the world, even making a couple dollars a day is more than they would make in their local economy.
I think whatever tipping is implemented needs to be pretty much worthless (aka mostly symbolic), otherwise, people will just spend a lot of their time just trying to game it. In many parts of the world, even making a couple dollars a day is more than they would make in their local economy.
I, too, have noticed this in /r/cryptocurrency. Lots of posts that are just obviously trying to farm moons with generic popular opinions. Meanwhile, the mods are getting a salary in moons. Really interesting stuff, for sure. Back in the dogecoin days, this wasn't an issue because it was purely for the memes. Sending someone a few thousand doge as a meme tip cost you a few dollars at most, and that point the karma was worth more than the doge itself. Looking back, those tips now equate to thousands of dollars!
Like giving someone tulips as a present in 1637 and then finding out there is a tulip mania and had you grown new ones from the seeds you would be a millionaire. Some things never change.
The famous 1636/1637 tulip mania (such as it was) lasted just a few months over the winter, collapsing in February. There was no time to grow anything in that period.
This is just how those forums end up during these massive market increases (or bubbles if you so feel inclined). I remember back in 2017/18 /r/cryptocurrency it was a lot of sob stories and anecdotes mixed in with a bunch of pump and dump shilling.
Well it did tone down the aggressive argumentation, shill shrieking, negative behavior, etc. in the subreddit. At the cost of what you already stated. People are being more performative and excessively positive/empathetic/comedic to farm moons.
I mean it makes sense - a monetary incentive for good (at least superficially) behavior. Same as the physically world.
I mean it makes sense - a monetary incentive for good (at least superficially) behavior. Same as the physically world.
Quality on /r/cryptocurtency was always very poor. Moons improved the quality, if anything, excepting the rise in sob stories you mention.
Moons also allowed a lot of people to get paid for their Reddit activity. For people living in the developing world, this has in some cases been a life-changing sum.
Moons also allowed a lot of people to get paid for their Reddit activity. For people living in the developing world, this has in some cases been a life-changing sum.
Nope, quality went down a lot with even more unfunny memes and reposts than previously thinkable.
Moons made it worse, just like donuts ruined ethtrader (and even lead to most of the users leaving starting their own sub). Of course that won't stop reddit to roll crypto tokens out side wide.
Moons made it worse, just like donuts ruined ethtrader (and even lead to most of the users leaving starting their own sub). Of course that won't stop reddit to roll crypto tokens out side wide.
/r/CryptoCurrency has never been more active, and while much of that could certainly be attributed to the recent price gains, going from 500 comments a day in Jan 2020 to 40,000 comments a day today is more than can be explained by just the price.
So objectively speaking, CryptoCurrency is more appealing/engaging now than ever before. The only question is how much of that can be attributed to Moons. As for /r/EthTrader, the split happened before donuts were even launched, and that was due to a smear campaign that was run against them by a few influential users.
EthTrader saw rapid growth in subscribers after donut introduction, and is today one of highest subscriber crypto forums.
So I do think Reddit rolling out Ethereum-based ERC20 tokens site wide makes sense from an engagement perspective, and will also go a long way in enabling more decentralized and distributed ownership structures, that allow for more effective economic coordination. If Reddit successfully executes on the plan, it will also mean hundreds of millions of people having a new source of income.
So objectively speaking, CryptoCurrency is more appealing/engaging now than ever before. The only question is how much of that can be attributed to Moons. As for /r/EthTrader, the split happened before donuts were even launched, and that was due to a smear campaign that was run against them by a few influential users.
EthTrader saw rapid growth in subscribers after donut introduction, and is today one of highest subscriber crypto forums.
So I do think Reddit rolling out Ethereum-based ERC20 tokens site wide makes sense from an engagement perspective, and will also go a long way in enabling more decentralized and distributed ownership structures, that allow for more effective economic coordination. If Reddit successfully executes on the plan, it will also mean hundreds of millions of people having a new source of income.
That was such a fun community. I wonder how much the doge donated to the Jamaican bobsled team and that NASCAR sponsorship would be worth now. There was a pretty sizeable Charity:Water donation too.
Ridiculously, I think the aggregate of tiny tips that people forever lost to that tipbot would be worth serious money now. Never would have imagined.
I've tried giving away doge on that subreddit, most people believe receive addresses to be too private information to share, I managed to give out 10 out of the 50 I had allocated for the experiment :D
Wonder if / how this will change people's sharing behavior. A common scenario like:
People like to do X for free (status, virtual points) but if a way to get paid while doing so is introduced, the dynamics change. People that don't get paid much (overall, or relatively compared to their peers) feel bitter even though the outcome is exactly the same as before but they get discouraged, stop sharing, stop doing it for free etc.
People like to do X for free (status, virtual points) but if a way to get paid while doing so is introduced, the dynamics change. People that don't get paid much (overall, or relatively compared to their peers) feel bitter even though the outcome is exactly the same as before but they get discouraged, stop sharing, stop doing it for free etc.
Money will always change people's behavior. And I have never seen a time it changed it for the better, unless they were giving it away.
Just want to point out:
As it is implemented currently, the “Tip Jar” is literally just a list of hyperlinks. Clean hyperlinks, even.
If you need a handy example for trying it out: I’m @NeoYokel
I entered every link except CashApp because I don’t have that.
(DO NOT PAY ME. This is not a sly attempt to get you extremely wealthy hn readers to send me unsolicited cash.)
As it is implemented currently, the “Tip Jar” is literally just a list of hyperlinks. Clean hyperlinks, even.
If you need a handy example for trying it out: I’m @NeoYokel
I entered every link except CashApp because I don’t have that.
(DO NOT PAY ME. This is not a sly attempt to get you extremely wealthy hn readers to send me unsolicited cash.)
CORRECTION: The Venmo link is not clean. Here’s the tracking meta (which is revealing lol):
‘ txn=pay&amount=1.00¬e=Spaces ‘
Not really 'tracking' is it?
Yes, it's pretty revealing that Twitter sends the details of your transaction to the platform you intend to make the transaction on.
Onlyfans strangely not mentioned. I see a lot of people on twitter with viral tweets shilling their onlyfans
Bingo. This is going to get used for sex work, and then Twitter will have to either act surprised and ban a whole swathe of users or embrace it and face condemnation from the religious right.
There is a thriving art community that shills their NSFW art and services on twitter through fan engagement and community building. Through this clout they shill their Patreons and only-fans.
I don't think their behavior will change. This image and text only non-realtime format is not conducive unlike twitch and only-fans.
I don't think their behavior will change. This image and text only non-realtime format is not conducive unlike twitch and only-fans.
Twitter seems to be ignoring the development of its website entirely. This is not the first feature that’s been exclusive to just the mobile apps:
- Fleets, launched months ago, is still app-only
- Spaces, the Clubhouse clone, is also app-only.
- Now Tipping.
- Even the uncropped images that launched yesterday (for vertical images) is app-only.
- Fleets, launched months ago, is still app-only
- Spaces, the Clubhouse clone, is also app-only.
- Now Tipping.
- Even the uncropped images that launched yesterday (for vertical images) is app-only.
Anyone using Twitter in the browser uses the Twitter website and sees the ads it serves. But many people using Twitter in an app use a third party app rather than the official one. These people don't see ads. If Twitter's goal is to get more ad views, exanding their share of the app market is more important than the web market that they control already.
It makes sense when you consider that all the successful services they are copying (Instagram, Snapchat, Clubhouse) are app-only.
Instagram stories (and IG in general) has been functional on the mobile web for more than 3 years: https://www.pcmag.com/news/post-instagram-stories-from-the-m....
> Instagram stories (and IG in general) has been functional on the mobile web for more than 3 years
Maybe that's geo-locked? When I visit instagram.com and log in I can only consume content, I cannot upload anything, normal posts nor stories.
Edit: I realize now you said "mobile web" while I was thinking "web" in general and visit from my desktop. Seems weird it works on 1/2 of the web versions they have...
Maybe that's geo-locked? When I visit instagram.com and log in I can only consume content, I cannot upload anything, normal posts nor stories.
Edit: I realize now you said "mobile web" while I was thinking "web" in general and visit from my desktop. Seems weird it works on 1/2 of the web versions they have...
At one point in time the hack to upload from the desktop was to make your window narrow so it though it was a phone.
Kind of. There are still settings that are available only in the app, which I ran into recently - can't remember exactly what but eventually I gave up and installed the app.
> Tip Jar is an easy way to support the incredible voices that make up the conversation on Twitter. This is a first step in our work to create new ways for people to receive and show support on Twitter – with money.
I hope this will create an incentive for people to be less partisan and divisive and look for donators outside of their algorithmic bubble.
I hope this will create an incentive for people to be less partisan and divisive and look for donators outside of their algorithmic bubble.
You can bet the russians and chinese will be busy tipping the biggest buffoons on all sides just to stir the pot. Right now they do it with Likes and Followers.
So the most misguided people keep pointing at the counts to justify whatever they say, do or think.
Before Twitter finding a large bunch of such people, characterized by 2 traits (1. they have no idea how misguided they are 2. they have endless energy and can spend 24x7 broadcasting bullshit) was very hard. Now you just have to search for a particular hashtag that signals crazy and tip the people with the highest posting frequencies.
As long as you can find more people than the number that work at Twitter support you have ready made chaos injection system.
No one seems to have any issues that the capability exists to impose such random ignorant reward mechanics at population scale. Ignorance is bliss.
So the most misguided people keep pointing at the counts to justify whatever they say, do or think.
Before Twitter finding a large bunch of such people, characterized by 2 traits (1. they have no idea how misguided they are 2. they have endless energy and can spend 24x7 broadcasting bullshit) was very hard. Now you just have to search for a particular hashtag that signals crazy and tip the people with the highest posting frequencies.
As long as you can find more people than the number that work at Twitter support you have ready made chaos injection system.
No one seems to have any issues that the capability exists to impose such random ignorant reward mechanics at population scale. Ignorance is bliss.
So, Tip Jar is literally just a built in linktree?
Have anyone ever actually sent or received a tip of any kind?
I've only ever once gotten a "donation" and it was $1, for SDL-Ball together with a message asking me in not so kind words to stop my pathetic e-begging :D
I once sent someone a few bitcoin, but that was in 2009 or 10.. ^_^
I don't feel like tipping someone for making an observation or a joke. This means turning a conversation into an economic transaction. Is this where the world is going? Pathetic.
There is a huge community of artists, podcasters, video content creators who can now use this to ear an income from the public.
I don't think this feature is only for conversations, though it will effect them. How? I can only speculate.
I don't think this feature is only for conversations, though it will effect them. How? I can only speculate.
Who says you have to? There's a lot of artists, people reverse engineering things or people writing up historic events on Twitter. Just like on Patreon you support the person because you like what they are doing, not a random meme account because they posted a funny repost.
Think of it as giving someone on reddit an award... /s
> On Android, tips can also be sent within Spaces.
Why only on Android? I suppose they could not avoid 30% Apple tax.
Why only on Android? I suppose they could not avoid 30% Apple tax.
Social Media has a broken business model that does not respect its users. Any experiment that might result in better-aligned incentives for users and company is welcome!
At the same time, YouTubers get rich just by creating content. Tipping won't help that much.
Wow, this is the end of Twitter. Everyone looking to make money will fill the platform up with garbage.
Neoliberalsim is turning you all into beggars.
Neoliberalsim is turning you all into beggars.
I'm not even using twitter and I know that the crypto community has a bunch of coins and twitter bots [1] that implement tipping way way better and also likely did this years ago.
The key part of making it better is that everyone can receive tips with these systems you dont need a payment provider that matches or in fact you dont need one at all.
Ofc you cant cash out without but you can tip what you got to others. The same "dollar" can move around to hundreds of people like that without any PayPal or whatever in between that would suck it up by removing fees.
[1]For example xrptipbot.com also cross platform and works on reddit and discord too.
The key part of making it better is that everyone can receive tips with these systems you dont need a payment provider that matches or in fact you dont need one at all.
Ofc you cant cash out without but you can tip what you got to others. The same "dollar" can move around to hundreds of people like that without any PayPal or whatever in between that would suck it up by removing fees.
[1]For example xrptipbot.com also cross platform and works on reddit and discord too.
So like only fans, which I also refuse to pay for?
The conversation is mostly snarkiness and trolling. I really hope we don't start rewarding that with cash.