Fastmail reminded me when I forgot an attachment
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Yesterday I was trying to setup a webdav client and in the process tried to use my master password.
Strangely the connection was refused and it left me slightly confused about how to properly configure it.
Shortly I received an email saying something along the lines: "We blocked a login attempt via webdav using your master password. If you want to use this feature this is how you do it properly."
I couldn't be a happier customer.
Shortly I received an email saying something along the lines: "We blocked a login attempt via webdav using your master password. If you want to use this feature this is how you do it properly."
I couldn't be a happier customer.
Thunderbird does this too.
It's especially ironic when you're telling somebody that they forgot the attachment, and Thunderbird detects the word "attachment" in your email and pops up that warning.
It's especially ironic when you're telling somebody that they forgot the attachment, and Thunderbird detects the word "attachment" in your email and pops up that warning.
Thunderbird also has for years. Come to think of it, which clients don't?
Out of interest, I had a look at the relevant Thunderbird source: https://searchfox.org/comm-central/source/mail/components/co...
The code simply checks the subject and body text, excluding the signature and any quoted text, for keywords defined in the configuration item mail.compose.attachment_reminder_keywords. The default keywords are: ".doc,.pdf,.xls,.ppt,.rtf,.pps,attachment,attach,attached,attaching,enclosed,CV,cover letter"
This little feature must have made lots of users happy one time or another...
The code simply checks the subject and body text, excluding the signature and any quoted text, for keywords defined in the configuration item mail.compose.attachment_reminder_keywords. The default keywords are: ".doc,.pdf,.xls,.ppt,.rtf,.pps,attachment,attach,attached,attaching,enclosed,CV,cover letter"
This little feature must have made lots of users happy one time or another...
Interesting! I'm also surprised thunderbird's written in JS and not C++.
Gmail. Gmail doesn't have it. And as somebody who used Thunderbird since the early 00's, it was a disappointment when I moved to using gmail.com instead of IMAP/Tbird. But, the move solved other problems for me, so ¯\(º_o)/¯
Still wish Gmail had it, though.
EDIT: See below. It was an issue unique to my account
Still wish Gmail had it, though.
EDIT: See below. It was an issue unique to my account
I'm pretty sure Gmail is where I first noticed this years and years ago. I've been with Fastmail for the past many years, but remember the dialog from Gmail. Maybe it was an experiment you had to enable and are opted out of?
A quick search says that automatic footers (company logos) can be interpreted as attachments...meaning you won't see the warning. Could that be your issue?
https://www.lifewire.com/how-to-get-a-forgotten-attachment-r...
A quick search says that automatic footers (company logos) can be interpreted as attachments...meaning you won't see the warning. Could that be your issue?
https://www.lifewire.com/how-to-get-a-forgotten-attachment-r...
Actually it does have this feature, and has done for many years. Many clients have it now, but Gmail was where I first encountered it. I don't know if it was the pioneer.
Here's a blog post by someone digging into how it works: https://www.labnol.org/internet/gmail-attachment-reminder/31...
Here's a blog post by someone digging into how it works: https://www.labnol.org/internet/gmail-attachment-reminder/31...
Indeed I've seen other comments in this thread that indicate the same. I tested sending an email with the word "attachment" in it, with no attachment, and Gmail didn't have any problem sending it.
I tested it with my work email on Google Workspace, and it showed the popup. It must be a setting.
Weird.
EDIT: After toggling experimental features on, then off again, it now works. ¯\(º_o)/¯
I tested it with my work email on Google Workspace, and it showed the popup. It must be a setting.
Weird.
EDIT: After toggling experimental features on, then off again, it now works. ¯\(º_o)/¯
> After toggling experimental features on, then off again, it now works.
Still the most sure-fire way of fixing anything computerized.
Still the most sure-fire way of fixing anything computerized.
It’s literally been a thing for decades. Eudora had this feature in the 90s. I’d be suspect of any mail client that doesn’t.
I believe Apple's Mail.app doesn't without some third-party tooling. Suggestive: https://apple.stackexchange.com/questions/229472/macmail-for... (five years old)
Fastmail is fantastic, so glad to be off gmail. I've been enjoying the masked email feature. There really isn't much competition in this space, fastmail get's it right: clean, simple, fast. I wish I could self host something comparable, but open source webmail doesn't come close, especially for search.
The CEO, Bron Gondwana, is a core contributor to Cyrus IMAP, and is working to standardize JMAP (jmap.io) for broader use, through IETF, as well.
I pay for fastmail, but saying this all again makes me want to sponsor this guy too.
https://news.ycombinator.com/user?id=brongondwana
I pay for fastmail, but saying this all again makes me want to sponsor this guy too.
https://news.ycombinator.com/user?id=brongondwana
When I signed up for Fastmail, I decided to use my own domain. Having a wildcard inbox is awesome. For any random account, I make up an email address on the spot.
I do that too, but the masked emails are more disposable.
Gmail web app has it for a while :)
Really? I looked, and mine does not, and I don't see where to enable it. I believe you of course, I just can't replicate.
Edit: Fixed. Toggled experimental features on, then off again, and it now works. ¯\(º_o)/¯
Edit: Fixed. Toggled experimental features on, then off again, and it now works. ¯\(º_o)/¯
Cool. Right? Gmail and Zoho mail do this too. Not sure about others.
Gmail, ProtonMail, and Outlook all do this.
Outlook does this too
Fastmail is great, but this is not a reason. Gmail had this >10 years ago, and Thunderbird too.
OP here. I've been on Gmail for around 13 years and it has never reminded me of this.
So I just now ran a test, sent a mail that said "attached is a copy of your letter.", and Gmail sent it without comment.
But, when I enable the Javascript/Standard interface, it did remind me. I use the "Basic HTML" interface and never switched to the JS/Standard interface so I never saw the reminder. I tried the Standard interface recently and really don't care for it much, though I concede it has more features, like being able to select all messages in a mailbox. I had to use that to get all my Inbox mail moved the the Archive folder on Gmail when I migrated to Fastmail.
So I just now ran a test, sent a mail that said "attached is a copy of your letter.", and Gmail sent it without comment.
But, when I enable the Javascript/Standard interface, it did remind me. I use the "Basic HTML" interface and never switched to the JS/Standard interface so I never saw the reminder. I tried the Standard interface recently and really don't care for it much, though I concede it has more features, like being able to select all messages in a mailbox. I had to use that to get all my Inbox mail moved the the Archive folder on Gmail when I migrated to Fastmail.
Its awesome to see folks get excited about simple features!
It's funny how that works. Before there was The Web, I was porting a POS system to Windows 95 from Windows 3.11. This was a big deal, going from 16 to 32 bits!
OK, not really a gigantic deal. More addressable memory was great. But there was a monkey wrench that we didn't catch until the evening we were to ship the new version (as in put it on an installers hard drive for installing on site). The POS software had to run a receipt printer, send text to a tower display, and pop a cash drawer for change. Each of these used to work by sending interrupts directly to the ports.
Interrupt... Ka-ching, cash drawer popped.
Interrupt + ASCII... {flash} and total displayed on LED
Interrupt + ASCII... receipt prints out
I dug through Win32 manuals to figure out the new system-wrapped way to do this. Win32 wrapped the port interrupts in an API, no more direct sends to the ports without a handshake to the OS. But I figured out the drawer and tower... no problems.
But receipt printing!
Interrupt + line of text + line feed... new line, text, new line, new line
What?!? Windows was opening the port, causing a line feed, sending the text with my line feed, then sending another line feed and closing the port. A fifteen item receipt that once took three inches of receipt paper, now took two feet. It was 6pm the night before install...
I wrestled with it into the wee hours, and managed to get Windows to leave the in between alone so that receipts printed properly. Except for the first time. The first time the software printed during an executable session, you got the clown-receipt. It was 2am... I couldn't figure out how to fix this last item.
So I coded in a welcome message. When the user logged in to the POS system for the first time, it would print out "Good morning {user}" or "Good afternoon {user}." This buried the problem of the extra lines, hiding it behind this small bit of odd behavior. All the rest of the receipts for the session would print properly.
It was 3am... I'm shipping it. Sent... Delivered.
Customers remarked "heh... that's new."
A few months went by and I finally got around to fixing that bug. So I removed that little greeting work-around. The complaints were immediate, consistent, and pronounced. "Why doesn't it say 'good morning' to me any more? I liked that! Put that back."
My boss got a good laugh at that. We put the feature back in with a setting, on by default.
Users can be delighted by small touches.
OK, not really a gigantic deal. More addressable memory was great. But there was a monkey wrench that we didn't catch until the evening we were to ship the new version (as in put it on an installers hard drive for installing on site). The POS software had to run a receipt printer, send text to a tower display, and pop a cash drawer for change. Each of these used to work by sending interrupts directly to the ports.
Interrupt... Ka-ching, cash drawer popped.
Interrupt + ASCII... {flash} and total displayed on LED
Interrupt + ASCII... receipt prints out
I dug through Win32 manuals to figure out the new system-wrapped way to do this. Win32 wrapped the port interrupts in an API, no more direct sends to the ports without a handshake to the OS. But I figured out the drawer and tower... no problems.
But receipt printing!
Interrupt + line of text + line feed... new line, text, new line, new line
What?!? Windows was opening the port, causing a line feed, sending the text with my line feed, then sending another line feed and closing the port. A fifteen item receipt that once took three inches of receipt paper, now took two feet. It was 6pm the night before install...
I wrestled with it into the wee hours, and managed to get Windows to leave the in between alone so that receipts printed properly. Except for the first time. The first time the software printed during an executable session, you got the clown-receipt. It was 2am... I couldn't figure out how to fix this last item.
So I coded in a welcome message. When the user logged in to the POS system for the first time, it would print out "Good morning {user}" or "Good afternoon {user}." This buried the problem of the extra lines, hiding it behind this small bit of odd behavior. All the rest of the receipts for the session would print properly.
It was 3am... I'm shipping it. Sent... Delivered.
Customers remarked "heh... that's new."
A few months went by and I finally got around to fixing that bug. So I removed that little greeting work-around. The complaints were immediate, consistent, and pronounced. "Why doesn't it say 'good morning' to me any more? I liked that! Put that back."
My boss got a good laugh at that. We put the feature back in with a setting, on by default.
Users can be delighted by small touches.
Surprised nobody is commenting about the fact that [service] is effectively reading your email and parsing it for keywords. What else are they parsing for?
The service also has to read your email to send/receive, and needs to parse the to: field at least to figure out where to send to.
If you're worried about that I don't email is a good choice for you.
If you're worried about that I don't email is a good choice for you.
Probably implemented in client side JS, which somehow makes this far less creepy to me.
It's probably checked on the client.
The next thing you know they will be looking at the CC and REPLY-TO headers! When will it stop?!
Irony aside, I don't think this is any worse than for instance a text editor detecting programming languages by, yes, parsing the content in order to provide a useful function to the user.
Irony aside, I don't think this is any worse than for instance a text editor detecting programming languages by, yes, parsing the content in order to provide a useful function to the user.
Gmail has had this for quite a while...
Wow, what a great feature! I can't even say how many times I have forgotten attachments and had to send a follow-up email.