How to Make a Hotbed for the Earliest Sowings (2020)(growveg.com)
growveg.com
How to Make a Hotbed for the Earliest Sowings (2020)
https://www.growveg.com/guides/how-to-make-a-hotbed-for-the-earliest-sowings/
65 comments
... add a 15cm (6in) layer of potting mix into the cold frame to begin warming up – you will be sowing or planting into this, not the manure.
Is another layer between the soil and manure required?
Is another layer between the soil and manure required?
depends on the plant. If its something that sends down long roots, you will need a barrier.
For something like beans, you would traditionally dig a deep trench (as in 4foot) and put a layer of manure, with news paper on top, by the time the roots got that far it would be rotten enough.
It might be better to use coffee grounds or fine wood chippings, as they are equally as warm but less toxic in the raw state.
For something like beans, you would traditionally dig a deep trench (as in 4foot) and put a layer of manure, with news paper on top, by the time the roots got that far it would be rotten enough.
It might be better to use coffee grounds or fine wood chippings, as they are equally as warm but less toxic in the raw state.
According to University of Wisconsin: Fresh manure should not be used on fruits and veg beds, especially where the crops are embedded in soil, because it can transmit human pathogens. It needs to be fully composted manure - that's manure that's been processed for 3 to 4 months. (https://hort.extension.wisc.edu/articles/using-manure-in-the...)
In order to supplement the nutrient content of fully composted manure, you can age and then dilute human urine (https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2020/01/200122080500.h...) assuming you aren't sick or on medications (https://morningchores.com/urine-as-fertilizer/).
In order to supplement the nutrient content of fully composted manure, you can age and then dilute human urine (https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2020/01/200122080500.h...) assuming you aren't sick or on medications (https://morningchores.com/urine-as-fertilizer/).
Huh, so that's the etymology of "hotbed" as in "hotbed of activity"!? TIL.
https://www.etymonline.com/word/hotbed
https://www.etymonline.com/word/hotbed
Yes! It’s all horseshit!
> Later on in winter, with less time to wait till the return of spring, you could get away with a stack 30-60cm (1-2ft) in height.
One thing I hate about gardening articles and videos is they often use terms that are not consistent with different locations. Where I am in Northern Europe, what we consider 'spring' is going to be very different from what someone in Southern California considers 'spring'. 100 years ago where you audience is going to be in a small location near your printing press this may have been acceptable, but today when your audience is global it really is not.
One thing I hate about gardening articles and videos is they often use terms that are not consistent with different locations. Where I am in Northern Europe, what we consider 'spring' is going to be very different from what someone in Southern California considers 'spring'. 100 years ago where you audience is going to be in a small location near your printing press this may have been acceptable, but today when your audience is global it really is not.
Personally, in my locale March is usually when the crocuses start peeking out and the robins return... first signs of spring. But just 100 miles east the landscape might still be a winter wonderland well into April.
If I had to hazard a guess, this article was probably written with a British audience in mind, where "spring" loosely corresponds with March through May.
If I had to hazard a guess, this article was probably written with a British audience in mind, where "spring" loosely corresponds with March through May.
For planting people develop more nuance than just a binary season change. They look at the condition of soil, temperature, likely weather looking forward etc. Right now it is spring where I live. The soil is a bit wet and clumpy. We may still get a frost but probably won't.
And in the natural world things can be really spread out. Plants have different niches based on being early or late. Shoots will come up in the winter. And some plants will be dormant until much later.
And in the natural world things can be really spread out. Plants have different niches based on being early or late. Shoots will come up in the winter. And some plants will be dormant until much later.
So no one should write anything without accounting for everything?
I wonder what better term you think there is where spring is used? Like in context it obviously means the start of the growing season. The suggestion is thus that the technique would be used that way before the start of the local growing season.
Here we get several feet of snow and frost into May, so it might be something I would do now. It probably wouldn't work good in February when there's piles of snow and temperatures well below freezing.
I wonder what better term you think there is where spring is used? Like in context it obviously means the start of the growing season. The suggestion is thus that the technique would be used that way before the start of the local growing season.
Here we get several feet of snow and frost into May, so it might be something I would do now. It probably wouldn't work good in February when there's piles of snow and temperatures well below freezing.
> Take your pick from a multitude of cold-season vegetables – beets, carrots, lettuce and other salad leaves, onions, spinach, chard, radishes and turnips – and sow knowing that you’ll be picking and plucking within weeks.
Lettuce is one of those vegetables, that once it gets contaminated with bacteria, you are kind of screwed. You can really wash it off and lettuce is usually eaten raw. Having it grown in a pile of manure may make it harder to keep from being contaminated.
Lettuce is one of those vegetables, that once it gets contaminated with bacteria, you are kind of screwed. You can really wash it off and lettuce is usually eaten raw. Having it grown in a pile of manure may make it harder to keep from being contaminated.
> Having it grown in a pile of manure may make it harder to keep from being contaminated
I hope you don't buy organic vegetables because have I got some news for you... Between copious amounts of manure and liquified fish as fertilizer, you could always tell by the smell which farmers were looking to cash in on organic produce.
I hope you don't buy organic vegetables because have I got some news for you... Between copious amounts of manure and liquified fish as fertilizer, you could always tell by the smell which farmers were looking to cash in on organic produce.
> Between copious amounts of manure and liquified fish as fertilizer, you could always tell by the smell which farmers were looking to cash in on organic produce.
Why would anyone fertilize their crops right before harvesting them for sale? This makes literally zero sense, as it would just be throwing away money. It's like the urban legends about people lacing marijuana with 100% pure cocaine or whatever.
Why would anyone fertilize their crops right before harvesting them for sale? This makes literally zero sense, as it would just be throwing away money. It's like the urban legends about people lacing marijuana with 100% pure cocaine or whatever.
> Why would anyone fertilize their crops right before harvesting them for sale?
That was neither said or implied.
That was neither said or implied.
Fish fertilizer and manure-based fertilizer only smell for a day or two, so it very much is implied.
It wasn't implied. Instead you are wrongly inferring. Now imagine you live in the area and drive by the farms. You could always tell by the smell which farmers were trying to cash in on organic crops.
Some ecoli outbreaks are caused by human feces on the crops due to poor working conditions on the farms.
https://time.com/3974244/cilantro-feces/
https://time.com/3974244/cilantro-feces/
You can totally cook lettuce and eat it. It's healthy and tastes just fine. A quick blanch in boiling water is all it takes.
Cos or Romaine hearts cut into quarters and whacked on a grill for some charring is pretty good too.
"Horta" is any green leaves you like, blanched and served with oil and lemon. Sure, it tends to be Dandelion or Rocket or whatever, but I don't think it's specified by the greek ya-yas, its whatever is to hand.
"Horta" is any green leaves you like, blanched and served with oil and lemon. Sure, it tends to be Dandelion or Rocket or whatever, but I don't think it's specified by the greek ya-yas, its whatever is to hand.
Grilled Hispy (?) Cabbage is apparently a thing in cuisine in the UK, if Great British Menu is anything to go by. Typically grilled on an actual fire, at least in most of the episodes I've seen.
I am just back from a trip to Yokohama and was served steamed cabbage heart which had been put into a wooden steamer and cooked over a charcoal fire. It was both steamy-soft, and smokey and delicious to offset the yakitori.
I think cabbage is a universal in climates with a real winter: its hardy, it grows into the colder months if you let it, its viable for pickling and salting, and flatulance aside is great nourishment. Shame that kids hate it, but eh, the ones which survive fatten up fast on it, so there's protein latent in cabbage if you need it.
Cabbage in school meals in the 60s was indeed served in an ice-cream scoop puddle next to the mince and tatties (or haggis, being scotland)
I think cabbage is a universal in climates with a real winter: its hardy, it grows into the colder months if you let it, its viable for pickling and salting, and flatulance aside is great nourishment. Shame that kids hate it, but eh, the ones which survive fatten up fast on it, so there's protein latent in cabbage if you need it.
Cabbage in school meals in the 60s was indeed served in an ice-cream scoop puddle next to the mince and tatties (or haggis, being scotland)
I was raised on iceberg lettuce - IMHO bitter biowaste - and discovered the joys of cabbage only later in life. My point being: If you're used to lettuce, give shredded cabbage a try. Not cole slaw, smothered in mayo. Try it with (say) a bit of sesame oil and some sesame seeds.
I think it's just a recent fad, but it's a fad I'm quite enjoying.
Usually not lettuce, but I’ll throw cut kale and spinach into soups or stirfries all the time. Sometimes fresh, other times frozen.
I take it you have some exposure to Chinese cuisine?
If you're not into chinese cooking, there is also some cooked lettuce in French cuisine, with petit pois à la française. That's in season too!
That’s just a quick Blanche though, not something I’d take as having a sterilizing effect.
Yep! Stir fried greens in a simple garlic and chilli sauce is one of my favourite dishes!
> From the Roman Emperor Tiberius to the Victorian gardeners of a few generations ago, hotbeds are nothing new.
I had no idea Tiberius was a farmer.
I had no idea Tiberius was a farmer.
Many Roman emperors moonlighted into other interests during their lives. emperor Domitian, son of the emperor Vespasian, for example, wrote what is considered to be one of the world's first known books on hair care for balding men, as a balding man himself who was quite sensitive about his look.
Also, it was a largely agrarian society, so even an emperor could have had a few turns at managing fields at some point in their life.
When Diocletian, the first of the "Dominate" era emperors, voluntarily left power (the only emperor ever to do so), he returned to his palatial fortress on the Croatian coast to pursue gardening and especially cabbage farming.
At one point after his retirement, a group of senators from Rome was dispatched to visit him and convince him to go back into the purple due to the collapse of the tetrarchic system he'd set up for Imperial administration.
While the senators argued with him, Diocletian famously brought them to his garden and pulled out one of his own cabbages. He then asked the senators how they could expect him to possibly come back to the stresses of Rome when he had managed to raise such beautiful cabbages in the peace of his new home.
Also, it was a largely agrarian society, so even an emperor could have had a few turns at managing fields at some point in their life.
When Diocletian, the first of the "Dominate" era emperors, voluntarily left power (the only emperor ever to do so), he returned to his palatial fortress on the Croatian coast to pursue gardening and especially cabbage farming.
At one point after his retirement, a group of senators from Rome was dispatched to visit him and convince him to go back into the purple due to the collapse of the tetrarchic system he'd set up for Imperial administration.
While the senators argued with him, Diocletian famously brought them to his garden and pulled out one of his own cabbages. He then asked the senators how they could expect him to possibly come back to the stresses of Rome when he had managed to raise such beautiful cabbages in the peace of his new home.
Also, there was no Netflix back then, and, like, four books to read. What else were you going to do?
Joke aside, to wealthy and powerful Romans of the time, many thousands, maybe tens of thousands of books and tracts would have been available, possibly even to middle class people. There were even publishing industries and trends akin to reduced versions of today's best seller phenomenon. Someone like Diocletian, Vespasian or his son Domitian wouldn't have had much trouble with interesting literature.
True enough, although most of those tracts would be dreadfully short by modern standards; the Aeneid waa around 130k words -- compared to 80k for the first Harry Potter and 485k for the fourth Stormlight Archive -- and the 8 books of Caesar's Gallic Wars were 5-15k words a pop.
Assuming ancient readers were as proficient as modern ones, "reading every book available" was a reasonable ambition back then, and you were almost certainly limited by money and availability more than time.
Assuming ancient readers were as proficient as modern ones, "reading every book available" was a reasonable ambition back then, and you were almost certainly limited by money and availability more than time.
Conquer and pillage?
Most people were through most of history. When subsistence farming was the primary way of life, it makes sense that kings and emperors were administrators of, and involved in, farming - Or as we'd call them today "Farmers" as opposed to "Farmhands".
It is from this that we get Bread and Circuses: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bread_and_circuses https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cura_Annonae
It is from this that we get Bread and Circuses: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bread_and_circuses https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cura_Annonae
While this is all true (and I think the parent is mostly a joke...), my understanding is that the Roman aristocracy that Tiberius was born into considered themselves Farmers in the same way that the modern American politician identifies with the Small Business Owner (or indeed, if you go far enough back, the Yeoman Farmer).
It was more a moral/identity narrative than a thing they actually did. They certainly owned the villas but whether they engaged in any way with the actual work (even in the capacity of "boss") of such places... maybe their servants, or their wives...
It was more a moral/identity narrative than a thing they actually did. They certainly owned the villas but whether they engaged in any way with the actual work (even in the capacity of "boss") of such places... maybe their servants, or their wives...
Surely Cato the Elder's writing on the economic exploitation of slaves points to a degree of detail in the disposition of cost/benefit against their production?
Other fictional writing I read suggests engagement in "trade" was beneath the senatorial classes, and so acquisition of land and it's economic exploitation underwrote what was considered "acceptable" sources of revenue.
Oddly, not entirely unlike the British Landed classes. They didn't like to admit that their land holdings had coal mines, where sheep gently grazing was acceptable.
Other fictional writing I read suggests engagement in "trade" was beneath the senatorial classes, and so acquisition of land and it's economic exploitation underwrote what was considered "acceptable" sources of revenue.
Oddly, not entirely unlike the British Landed classes. They didn't like to admit that their land holdings had coal mines, where sheep gently grazing was acceptable.
> Surely Cato the Elder's writing
Cato was, incidentally, a novus homo, not born into a Patrician family. His father was a pleb and a soldier and a farmer, and he was as well.
> Other fictional writing I read suggests engagement in "trade" was beneath the senatorial classes [...] Oddly, not entirely unlike the British Landed classes
Yeah, the vibe I get was that this was a feature of most? pre-capitalist societies.
Cato was, incidentally, a novus homo, not born into a Patrician family. His father was a pleb and a soldier and a farmer, and he was as well.
> Other fictional writing I read suggests engagement in "trade" was beneath the senatorial classes [...] Oddly, not entirely unlike the British Landed classes
Yeah, the vibe I get was that this was a feature of most? pre-capitalist societies.
> Yeah, the vibe I get was that this was a feature of most? pre-capitalist societies.
Yes, commerce and labor are both taboo for elites in most premodern societies.
There are some obvious exceptions; the Phoenicians wouldn't have seen anything wrong with engaging in commerce.
Yes, commerce and labor are both taboo for elites in most premodern societies.
There are some obvious exceptions; the Phoenicians wouldn't have seen anything wrong with engaging in commerce.
Yeah, many trading cultures never had this injunction: for example Malay sultans rise and fall with the prosperity of their entrepots, exporting spices and rice and importing chinaware and Indian riches.
*
On the other hand... Confucianism puts merchants as one of the lower members of society, because they do not add value as artisans. Edo Japan famously had caste of samurai on the top, farmers on the middle, and merchants on the lowest.
*
On the other hand... Confucianism puts merchants as one of the lower members of society, because they do not add value as artisans. Edo Japan famously had caste of samurai on the top, farmers on the middle, and merchants on the lowest.
> a feature of most? pre-capitalist societies
My prejudice would be that new money (by trade) is still looked down upon by old money (inherited/landowners/dynasties). By those with low self-esteem.
My prejudice would be that new money (by trade) is still looked down upon by old money (inherited/landowners/dynasties). By those with low self-esteem.
> By those with low self-esteem
Exactly the prejudice such old money would (and to your point, still does) hold against "merchants".
Exactly the prejudice such old money would (and to your point, still does) hold against "merchants".
I had no idea Tiberius was a farmhand.
Diocletian retired from emperoring to his pride and joy, growing cabbages, and refused folks' urgings to take the throne again.
Not my Cabbages!
Perhaps he was an inspiration to the Avatars cabbage guy.
Perhaps he was an inspiration to the Avatars cabbage guy.
Inspired Gladiator perhaps
And the very fun play “Romulus der Große” by Friedrich Dürrenmatt, probably. With hens instead of cabbages.
The awkward phrasing is SEO spam.
He did a lot of plowing.
In terms of whether the bed is warm enough to plant out in, the advice frequently given by Christine Walkden [1] on Gardeners Question Time [2] on how to judge whether it is warm enough is to sit on the soil with your bare bottom.
[1] http://www.christinewalkden.com/
[2] https://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b006qp2f
[1] http://www.christinewalkden.com/
[2] https://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b006qp2f
Be careful what manure you bring to your garden. Sometimes, hay is from fields sprayed with grazon, which is persistent in manure. It will kill any dicots you grow in that manure.
Now we know where the phrase, “Grandma, this salad tastes like $hit” comes from.
Isn't the excess nitrogen going into the soil an unwelcome change?
I see this as not great from an environment point of view: the anaerobes in the unturned manure will go, well, anaerobic and generate a lot of methane.
I wonder how much methane you could capture from a domestic-sized greenhouse, fertalised with manure? I'm really not sure what paths there are for manure which don't release methane and other emissions, at least here the effect is useful
> what paths there are for manure which don't release methane
Aerobic digestion. Ie: with lots of airflow/oxygen (lots of heat also helps!)
Aerobic digestion. Ie: with lots of airflow/oxygen (lots of heat also helps!)
That will happen whether you do this or not.
Not in aerobic digestion. Then you get much less greenhouse-gassy CO2 (with the side benefit of being great for immediately nearby plants).
You will need a layer of something over the raw manure to make sure it doesn't scold/burn/kill your seedlings. Its not just the heat that will kill, but the raw piss. You will have difficulty putting seedlings in raw manure.
https://plantura.garden/uk/garden-design/hotbed this has better pictures.
You will still need to think about thermal management.
The victorians used to have hotbed out the front of green houses. They were made of brick, angled at about 120 degrees. They had a bed for the manure, that ran around the outside and took up ~50% of the space, and a bed inside that was just soil. This allowed them to change the manure to keep the temperature even.