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10 pointsby EvgeniyZhhace 10 meses0 comments

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mitchbobhace 10 meses

And if you support an organization that thinks otherwise, you're a criminal:

https://www.lrb.co.uk/the-paper/v47/n14/david-renton/short-c...

https://archive.ph/ulxAw

JumpCrisscrosshace 10 meses

> if you support an organization that thinks otherwise, you're a criminal

It’s a bit more complicated than that for Palestine Action.

Its activists broke into an active military base and defaced (non-nuclear capable) aircraft [1]. On one hand, this was incredibly irresponsible during a state of heightened concern given Russia’s constant nonsense. On the other hand, breaking into military bases is precedented protest action in Britain [2].

Did London overreact, based on precedent? Yes. Was that totally unreasonable? In kind, perhaps not—breaking the precedent of protesters breaking into military bases is probably smart. Did sending that message require charging anyone as terrorists? No, of course not.

[1] https://www.theguardian.com/world/2025/jun/20/pro-palestine-...

[2] https://novaramedia.com/2025/06/27/we-also-broke-into-an-air...

wnc3141hace 10 meses

I find this take not credible. The key quotation the article centers on. It's weird that they make this claim but then say "but hey it's really not our place"

    >  “As per the Genocide Convention, the crime of genocide occurs only where there is specific ‘intent to destroy, in whole or in part, a national, ethnic, racial or religious group’. The government has not concluded that Israel is acting with that intent.” <

Of course its also weird that they would throw water on the scholarly and international consensus that Israel is conducting a genocide.

https://genocidescholars.org/wp-content/uploads/2025/08/IAGS...

https://www.ohchr.org/en/press-releases/2024/11/un-special-c...

These are the articles defining genocide: https://www.un.org/en/genocideprevention/documents/atrocity-...

> In the present Convention, genocide means any of the following acts committed with intent to destroy, in whole or in part, a national, ethnical, racial or religious group, as such:

   (a) Killing members of the group;

   (b) Causing serious bodily or mental harm to members of the group;

   (c) Deliberately inflicting on the group conditions of life      calculated to bring about its physical destruction in whole or in part;

   (d) Imposing measures intended to prevent births within the group <

Beyond the effect of Israel's actions there is a question of intent. To illustrate these are statements of the Israeli government:

    \* Bezalel Smotrich, Finance Minister: "“There is no such thing as a Palestinian nation. There is no Palestinian history. There is no Palestinian language,” (1)

    \* Official Israeli Twitter accounts: "there are no innocent civilians” (2).

    \* Itamar Ben-Givir, national security minister, conditionally returning to government in exchange for the complete eradication of Palestinians from Gaza (3)

    \* Amichai Eliyahu, Heritage minister: "the government is racing toward erasing Gaza. Thank God we are erasing this evil. All of Gaza will be Jewish." (4)

(1) https://www.pbs.org/newshour/world/no-such-thing-as-palestin...

(2) https://www.nbcnews.com/tech/social-media/israel-posts-video...

(3) https://www.timesofisrael.com/ben-gvir-says-hell-return-to-g...

(4) https://www.ynetnews.com/article/hk00mgaypll

It was perhaps put best in a review of the worst opinion pieces of 2024 from the podcast "If Books Could Kill." The hosts reviewed a think piece saying "the war in Gaza might not technically be genocide" but the hosts point out: Maybe so, but if not than its this other thing that's bad and should be stopped. To intellectualize an arbitrary boundary sort of throws water on the very real and unnecessary suffering that occurs. What does this take accopmlish?

throwawaymanbothace 10 meses