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Show HN: Circe – Deterministic, offline-verifiable receipts for AI agent actions

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2 points·by W_rey45·hace 6 meses·5 comments

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W_rey45
·hace 6 meses·discuss
Great question this is exactly the tension we’re trying to be explicit about.

CIRCE separates cryptographic verification from semantic interpretation. The signature covers a minimal, stable signed_block (canonicalized → hashed → signed). Everything else is metadata that can evolve without affecting verification.

Older receipts remain verifiable because the verifier only assumes the signed scope + canonicalization rules. Newer tooling can understand more fields, but must ignore unknown/missing fields (JWT / signed artifact style). We also include a schema identifier/hash for tooling selection, but it’s intentionally not security-critical — verification is purely about integrity.

Also: toran.sh’s angle is super aligned. Capturing actual API request/response outside the agent’s control feels like the “ground truth” complement to CIRCE’s “decision truth.” Curious: are you anchoring the API transcript via a sidecar/proxy with its own signing key, or are you doing something like a transparency log/Merkle chain for requests?
W_rey45
·hace 6 meses·discuss
Great questions.

1) Crash/orphan side-effect: agreed this needs an intent/commit model. The clean pattern is WAL-style: emit/sign an “INTENT” receipt before side-effect + a “COMMIT” receipt after; absence of COMMIT is itself evidence (“we can’t attest completion”). Another option is tool-level signing so the side-effecting tool returns a signed result that the agent includes.

2) Linking: yes linkage can be native without building storage. Next iteration is parent_hash (or prev_hash) inside the signed_block so receipts naturally chain; Merkle/log indexing stays external.
W_rey45
·hace 6 meses·discuss
Threat model / scope: This design assumes the signer’s private key is trusted at issuance time; it does not attempt to prove semantic correctness of the agent’s reasoning or inputs. The signature covers only the canonicalized signed_block; any mutation invalidates verification. Receipts are portable and verifiable offline but do not prevent a malicious issuer from signing false data (integrity primitive, not a truth oracle). Replay is detectable (e.g. via hash chaining or external indexing) but not prevented by the receipt alone. Confidentiality is out of scope; receipts are integrity-only artifacts. The goal is to make post-hoc tampering and log forgery detectable, not to replace policy enforcement or access control.