> I don't really have the time to be competitively good at any of these games, and the community kinda sucks unless you are competitively good so it's kinda like what's the point?
You could play with people on your own level?
> At least with rec sports the community is generally nice even if you're terrible (probably because you're in-person).
Really? Try playing pick-up basketball games if you are terrible. Even with rec sports, people play at their own level.
> Anyway, my point being that I wouldn't be shocked to learn that women (and likely people of color) feel the same way - once you're not really part of that core group of young white men
Young white men? Why are you being racist and sexist by targeting one group?
People don't play online games or recreational sports for "community". Seems like you are lonely and trying to make friends in the wrong places.
I play sports because it's fun and good exercise. I play video games because it's fun and mentally challenging. I don't play sports or video games for community.
> competitive games start feeling really unappealing unless you're just really into the game itself.
Then don't play it. Go play something else? Why are you complaining about it?
Maybe women on average don't like competitive games for the same reason women don't like other competitive sports like basketball, baseball, etc? Maybe, men and women are on average different and have different interests. Maybe that's why advertisers go about targeting men and women different? Maybe that's why movies, music, etc are differently geared towards men and women?
Or, maybe you could push your racist and sexist rhetoric and blame young white men?
> Elon is attempting to maneuver Tesla through a tight operating and financial envelope.
He's been attempting that maneuver for more than a decade.
> He is doing so with public funding.
You mean private funding? Raising money on the stock market isn't public funding.
> Of course you're going to have a lot of debate about what he's doing.
That's my point. He's been doing everything you've said forever. It's just the past 4 months where journalists have started to write hit pieces. How come they were so quiet in the past?
> Journalists being critical isn't them launching a war, it's them attempting to leave no stone unturned.
No. Considering some journalists have openly asked their fellow journalists on twitter to come forward with sex abuse or negative stories on elon musk after musk criticized the media, I don't think your argument holds much water.
It's obvious musk despises the news media ( he openly stated so ). And it's obvious journalists hate criticism and will lash out at anyone. The question is whether vindictiveness on both sides will subside. I highly doubt it will from journalists considering their terrible track record and of course their desire for ratings. So I expect a lot of hit pieces on musk and tesla. The question is will elon musk back down. My hope is that he will focus on his companies and his goals rather than being dragged into a neverending petty argument with journalists.
> China is aware of this and they control any maps their citizens will ever see.
Everyone is aware of it. Maps have always been political. Maps and borders are political creations. Why is it that whenever a controversial topic comes up, people always bring up china? Every HN thread that has a controversial topic, someone always sneaks in a reference to china?
> "Of course all that ocean between Philippines and Vietnam belongs to China!" is what most Chinese citizens will assume, after all, they saw it on their maps growing up. While the rest of us will have seen a different map.
You act like there are two maps. One china is pushing and another everyone else agrees to. China, Vietnam, Philippines, Indonesia and every nation in ASEAN have their own maps.
The issue with maps has always existed. Whether it is current - crimea (russia/ukraine), sea of japan/east sea ( japan/korea ) or historical - hawaiians/inuit/nativesc vs european colonizers. Or the remnants of colonization like india/pakistan or artificial nations created by european colonizers in africa and the middle east which has created ethnic border issues.
Pretty much every nation today has map issues. Even within a nation there are map issues ( like the renaming of mount denali ).
Certainly a lot of short sellers ( and bulls ) spreading rumors online, but this seems more like the continuation of the war between elon musk and journalists.
There have been a surprising number of hit pieces by a number of news companies against musk and his companies lately. I think I've seen more negative news articles concerning elon musk in the past 4 months than the 4 years before that.
There seems to be a pattern that whenever someone challenges journalists or their industry, they gang up and pile on.
I think it's going to be an interesting couple of months for elon musk as I think these journalists are just getting warmed up with their anti-musk hit pieces.
> [edit: sorry, my mistake: the market cap reported is not actually outstanding shares times price, pointed out below]
Actually, market cap is outstanding shares times price. It is a value per company, not per class/type of shares traded. Sort of like how the same CEO would be listed under GOOG or GOOGL. You'll see the same market cap listed under GOOG or GOOGL.
> What makes you think marchenko is not a US citizen?
The dead giveaway is "behaviour".
> Regardless, my original comment said "Western Culture", not "American Culture".
Your original comment referenced "western society". I referenced america because I'm american.
> Here in Australia I have definitely seen comments and heard people victim blame rape victims for their behavior, for sure it happens in the USA too.
Really? You've heard it? By whom? The media? Government officials? Judges? People in power? By society at large? Give me a break.
> Why would you accuse me of lying?
Because you lied. You implied that western society blames women. I already responded to you that was not the case. I responded directly to your comment that western society at large believes the accuser de facto and assumes the guilt of the accused. We as a society, in the US and I'm sure australia too, initially take the alleged victim's side. And as I said, even when the alleged victim turns out to be a liar, we ( as a society ) protect her identity.
But boy, there sure are a lot of foreign elements here pushing the divisive "US/West" is pro-rape and anti-women rhetoric. A couple of accounts responded with similar "personal anecdotes". I've heard people say "kill all men" or "women belong in the home". Doesn't mean that society at large supports fringe rhetoric.
Lets put it simply. When a woman says a man raped her. If you think our ( societal ) initial reaction to that is "what were you wearing" rather than being disgusted at the man, then you are lying.
> I'm sure many adoptees would disagree with your assessment that their situation is tragic.
Ideally ( all things being equal ), adoptees would want to be with their "ideal" biological parents. Of course if the biological parents are dead, abusive or too poor to provide for them ( tragic ), then adoption is better than nothing. But I can't think of any child who wouldn't want to be with their biological parents all things being equal.
> What data is there? A stereotype is not evidence;
Education attainment? Income? Interracial Marriage? Sure a stereotype isn't evidence. But my point is that both the nation at large "stereotypically" and alumni ( after interviewing asians ) both rated asian personalities at the same level or better than other races. Given that evidence, why did admissions officers rate asians a couple of standard deviations below other races?
> something about the personalities of individuals.
But we aren't inferring personalities of individuals. We are inferring personalities of racial groups.
> This statement is highly uncharitable to your interlocutor above and frankly ignorant of the history of sexual assault prosecutions in the US.
Once again, we are talking about western society today, not in history. I already acknowledged in my comment that things were different in the past.
> "she was engaged in dangerous behaviour - that couldn't happen to someone like me".
Once again, a foreigner pushing "rape culture" rhetoric about the US and sowing divisions. Just curious, if you aren't american, why are you posting about it as if you were american?
> It is important to distinguish the high-profile Title 9/social media kangaroo courts with the workings of the actual US justice system.
I wasn't just talking about title IX or social media. I was talking about media, the courts and society in general. When a woman accuses a man of rape, she is believed and the man is scorned - even before trial. Stop trying to paint the US today as it was in the past or the congo.
> What makes you think that? Stereotyping perhaps?
Look at the quasi racist stuff this guy wrote. He obviously doesn't like asians for some reason.
"Harvard and the other Ivies don't want to keep out asian people. They want to keep out boring, myopic applicants who spend all day studying to achieve the grades and scores they have and show little sign of interest in contributing to the outside world beyond getting a well-paying job as a lawyer or doctor and raising a family comfortably."
The guy claims to have been an admissions officer at an ivy league school. Doesn't seem likely.
> Harvard insists this was unbiased, but it's pretty incredible that Asians score so low on these measures and African-Americans so highly.
Considering asians are considered "model minorities" and the best "assimilated" minority group in the US, it does seem odd. Also considering harvard alumni interviewers generally rated asian personalities just as high as everyone else's, I wonder why there is such a divergence from american culture at large/alumni and admissions' officers?
I wonder if there are transcripts or video recordings of interviews and a methodology these admissions officers used.
It would be great if harvard released all data ( minus identifying info ) and we could look through the dataset.
> The outcome is racist but there's no intent to be racist.
Then why do college admissions factor in race at all?
> Their grades and scores are STELLAR!
But the complaint is that their grades and scores aren't stellar. That lower grades and scores are being chosen over higher grades and scores based apparently on race.
> What's going to happen to campus social life if half the class has a history of not being social at all?
Once again, the complaint is that people with equal or better extracurricular activities and better grades are being passed over based on race.
> No one is out to discriminate against asian people, their applications are just very problematic at scale.
But we know this isn't true. We know that college admins have discriminated before.
Your argument is just a rehash of the anti-semitic discrimination against jews decades ago.
Of course. I no more trust "estimates" from rainn than I do climate change "estimates" from exxon.
As I said, we were talking about women getting raped, impregnated and having children unbeknownst to the father. You turned that discussion into a stealth argument about "rape culture".
OP asserted that "many" spouses of "cuckolded" fathers were a result of rape. It was a very specific assertion. I responded to that, not anything about rapes in general.
Why is every response on this thread pushing the "rape narrative" here? I think that 1 rape is too many, but that wasn't what we are talking about? Why inject politics into this?
> This sort of attitude was even pretty commonly stated in the media only a few decades ago.
So not today? A few decades ago? We are talking about western society today, not in the past.
> Please retract that accusation of lying and apologise immediately.
Why would I retract a correct statement and apologise for being honest and truthful? Why are you asking me to apologize when your response actually backed up my assertion?
Legal fatherhood is determined by law. Biological fatherhood is determined by science/genetics. Also, adoption isn't a common practice. Adoptions happen, but they are rare.
Ideally, legal and biological fatherhood should be one and the same. That way you can find your genetic history for medical purposes and legal family tree for historical purposes. But tragically, in a few cases, legal and biological fathers are not the same.
> even in western society many victims get blamed:
No they don't. Which western society? In western society ( US for example ), we presume the alleged victim is telling the truth and the accused is guilty. In western society, we release the name of the accused and protect identity of the alleged victim. Even when the courts find out that the accuser lied, her name is withheld and protected.
Don't know which "western society" you are from, but in the US, it's usually the accused, not the alleged victim, that suffer, whether the rape happened or not.
> "why was she wearing that dress?", "why was she in the club on her own if she was in a relationship?", "why did she walk through the park at night on her own?"
What? This is simply a lie. You know it.
> "maybe she went home with him and just regretted it the next day".
Because we have cases of this happening. Remember the mattress girl from columbia? We have a few high profile cases of women consensually having sex with guys and then regretting it later and then falsely accusing the men of rape.
I'm tired of the false narrative of rape and rape society of the west. Does rape happen in the west. Sure. Are rape cases prosecuted. Yes. Are rape victims ( and even false accusers ) protected. Yes. But stop lying about how we shame or attack rape victims. Maybe in the 1800s, but not today.
Most people don't "play around". We have statistic proof about it.
> or to be frank, many women have been assaulted and had to keep it quiet
I'm pretty sure most of the 23andme customers are in the US and not in the congo. By "many" women, you mean almost no women right?
> maybe the best outcome would be more open communication and understanding between couples rather than even more prescriptive social norms about how relationships should work.
Opening communication and understanding are the prescriptive social norm. You make it seem like cheating and rape is the norm. Also, most people agree on how relationships should work. That's how we got "prescriptive social norms".
You could play with people on your own level?
> At least with rec sports the community is generally nice even if you're terrible (probably because you're in-person).
Really? Try playing pick-up basketball games if you are terrible. Even with rec sports, people play at their own level.
> Anyway, my point being that I wouldn't be shocked to learn that women (and likely people of color) feel the same way - once you're not really part of that core group of young white men
Young white men? Why are you being racist and sexist by targeting one group?
People don't play online games or recreational sports for "community". Seems like you are lonely and trying to make friends in the wrong places.
I play sports because it's fun and good exercise. I play video games because it's fun and mentally challenging. I don't play sports or video games for community.
> competitive games start feeling really unappealing unless you're just really into the game itself.
Then don't play it. Go play something else? Why are you complaining about it?
Maybe women on average don't like competitive games for the same reason women don't like other competitive sports like basketball, baseball, etc? Maybe, men and women are on average different and have different interests. Maybe that's why advertisers go about targeting men and women different? Maybe that's why movies, music, etc are differently geared towards men and women?
Or, maybe you could push your racist and sexist rhetoric and blame young white men?