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Kelsey Hightower on the Promise of Bluesky (2024)

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1 points·by pfraze·hace 6 meses·1 comments

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pfraze
·hace 23 días·discuss
I’d also call out that activitypub has the same threat model in the form of ICANN, as it’s also heavily dependent on DNS for identity. I believe these are reasonable trades to make; realistically the alternative is to use a blockchain, which few people are keen to do.
pfraze
·hace 23 días·discuss
It doesn’t fully resolve your concerns, but I do want to highlight that atproto now has an IETF working group to home its spec development
pfraze
·hace 23 días·discuss
Honestly that’s just as much because atproto is a raw data protocol. Putting an http frontend on an atproto account is something we encourage and a lot of folks do. I do that on pfrazee.com for instance, and my leaflet blogposts (which are canonically on atproto) render on my blog.
pfraze
·hace 23 días·discuss
Relays are actually quite cheap now! They used to be a bit more expensive when they archived all the traffic, but in sync 1.1 that was dropped and they can be run on $20/mo VMs pretty trivially now
pfraze
·hace 23 días·discuss
Bluesky is the opposite of locked down
pfraze
·hace 24 días·discuss
Wcyd? It was the name that Dorsey chose before the PBC was even formed. It's from the technical term of art, like greenfield.
pfraze
·hace 24 días·discuss
Fyi it’s actually called bluesky, not bluewhatever
pfraze
·hace 24 días·discuss
“Losing” is a loaded word choice. If I buy something I’m really happy to have, I probably don’t describe it as losing the money.

Obviously the investment expense has been extremely high, which is what the replies are quibbling about.
pfraze
·el mes pasado·discuss
OS-level is so much better than app-level. App-level means redoing the work for each app and increasing the odds of issues.
pfraze
·hace 2 meses·discuss
No disagreement there. If you want to keep updated on the permissioned data protocol you can follow daniel's leaflets https://dholms.leaflet.pub/ (https://dholms.leaflet.pub/rss)

The public side is extremely important for agents though. Agents need up to date public information to do their job. Every other service is going closed. Public information and activity should be a commons.
pfraze
·hace 2 meses·discuss
Yeah I’ve met the Radicle people a couple times. I’ve never given it a thorough review but, for their goals, their designs have always seemed strong, and they’re pleasant people to chat with.

The main difference was atproto wanted to tackle scale, so we went with a servers & aggregation model. Radicle is going for device-to-device networking as a primary goal.
pfraze
·hace 2 meses·discuss
The most valuable thing Tangled will ever do is establish the protocol of Tangled. Once that’s done, it lives as long as people are willing to run it.
pfraze
·hace 2 meses·discuss
Yeah the problems they seemed to have were over collaborative data structures with permissions. You’re right about how atproto solves that, which means you’re using CRDTs if you need to collaborate. If that’s a fit mismatch, I’d tell people to just appoint api servers which wrap a repo and provide the needed semantics.
pfraze
·hace 3 meses·discuss
Absolutely none of this matches my experience.
pfraze
·hace 3 meses·discuss
Technically you can still view the posts directly from the PDS. It’s just uninteresting compared to web pages
pfraze
·hace 3 meses·discuss
This writeup is useful for backend engineers: https://atproto.com/articles/atproto-for-distsys-engineers

The simple answer is that atproto works like the web & search engines, where the apps aggregate from the distributed accounts. So the proper analogy here would be like yahoo going down in 1999.
pfraze
·hace 3 meses·discuss
All support to other decentralizers but nothing never goes down.
pfraze
·hace 3 meses·discuss
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pfraze
·hace 3 meses·discuss
Just want to add that the AT Protocol IETF working group has been formed, and the PLC directory independent organization and board has officially been established. I’m at the closing talk for this years Atmosphere Conference as I write this and it’s really an incredible community of devs.
pfraze
·hace 4 meses·discuss
I’ve never felt so motivated to fight on your behalf