train? unsure, the car i was in... maybe 2 other transients?
more nyc subway information than you'll ever need:
- nyc has a globally rare subway in that it is 24hrs
- you need to be sitting up to sleep on the train, if you lie down you can be removed (was so told by a cop when i was first arrested for sleeping on the train that this is 'the law')
- subways run the full length of a track, then back, then swap drivers
- when a driver swaps they have to remove everyone from the train so all transients get up and go across the track to the next train that is waiting to drive off
- the two longest trains: ORANGE(D,1h-1h15m before driver swap), RED(2,1h30m-2h before driver swap)
- meaning you could get about ~1h30m of uninterrupted sleep
- that was until i discovered the L train is driven by software and the conductor is there as a failsafe
- as such there is a different driver procedure and you can run the train back and forth all day all week without being removed, thats eventually how id get 8h+ nights
someone down thread said 480$/mo for tickets, but id rarely pay
> why not more?
i wondered the same thing, its warm, even in winter, and heavily populated, protecting you from assaults
im unsure what percentage of people without places to sleep choose the subway, but there are some options
there are shelters, but after my experiences there: caging you in or out after curfew, once shut a lawlessness among the people, being placed in rooms with territorial long termers, structurally and hygienically questionable building; i decided id rather risk the street
but it was a winter with a foot of snow on the ground so i tried to sleep in a decommissioned subway stop where there were others sleeping but was woken up by the blunt end of a cop's foot
when i explained i thought it was okay to sleep here because i saw others doing the same the cop responded, 'that guys been there 7 years, get the fuck out of here kid'
hostels at the time cost about 30$/nt for a bunk in a room with 40 people, in brooklyn, so out of my price range but once i got a job i would stay in one once a week to take a shower
> how was that allowed to happen?
compassion, human decency, empathy
i jape, though thats why, im guessing, most riders accept it as a reality
but its probably more to do with poorly handling government resources to address the issue that some people need to sleep sitting up on a subway to have a warm place to rest
one night i woke up flying across a subway car before slamming into one of the vertical hand poles
i was sitting, sleeping, facing the direction of travel and someone had pulled the emergency stop
it was 3am so the only people on the train where fellow transients
this fact must have been prominent in the mind of the person conducting the train because immediately they got on the comm and yelled, 'WHO THE FUCK PULLED THE EMERGENCY STOP?!'
the absurdity of it all helped me ignore the pain in my shoulder
i always slept with my back to my momentum after that night
more nyc subway information than you'll ever need:
- nyc has a globally rare subway in that it is 24hrs
- you need to be sitting up to sleep on the train, if you lie down you can be removed (was so told by a cop when i was first arrested for sleeping on the train that this is 'the law')
- subways run the full length of a track, then back, then swap drivers
- when a driver swaps they have to remove everyone from the train so all transients get up and go across the track to the next train that is waiting to drive off
- the two longest trains: ORANGE(D,1h-1h15m before driver swap), RED(2,1h30m-2h before driver swap)
- meaning you could get about ~1h30m of uninterrupted sleep
- that was until i discovered the L train is driven by software and the conductor is there as a failsafe
- as such there is a different driver procedure and you can run the train back and forth all day all week without being removed, thats eventually how id get 8h+ nights
someone down thread said 480$/mo for tickets, but id rarely pay
> why not more?
i wondered the same thing, its warm, even in winter, and heavily populated, protecting you from assaults
im unsure what percentage of people without places to sleep choose the subway, but there are some options
there are shelters, but after my experiences there: caging you in or out after curfew, once shut a lawlessness among the people, being placed in rooms with territorial long termers, structurally and hygienically questionable building; i decided id rather risk the street
but it was a winter with a foot of snow on the ground so i tried to sleep in a decommissioned subway stop where there were others sleeping but was woken up by the blunt end of a cop's foot
when i explained i thought it was okay to sleep here because i saw others doing the same the cop responded, 'that guys been there 7 years, get the fuck out of here kid'
hostels at the time cost about 30$/nt for a bunk in a room with 40 people, in brooklyn, so out of my price range but once i got a job i would stay in one once a week to take a shower
> how was that allowed to happen?
compassion, human decency, empathy
i jape, though thats why, im guessing, most riders accept it as a reality
but its probably more to do with poorly handling government resources to address the issue that some people need to sleep sitting up on a subway to have a warm place to rest