>What is the point here? So does every other company.
What I was trying to point out is that when people talk about Infosys, they are referring to the people who are deputed from India. Or at least thats what I thought. So, when some one says 25405 people got LCA, a person who is not familiar with these things would think that Infosys brings that many people from India every year, and that Infosys is using up 25405 of the 60k or 80k visas to bring new people. They may not realize that this number also includes visa renewals, relocations, and hires from US, and that renewals and relocations do not count towards the 60k limit. If the Nasscom quote below is to be believed, its around 4000.
>IT industry body Nasscom on Monday came out in defence of its members TCS and Infosys, saying the two accounted for only 7,504—8.8%—of the approved H1B visas in 2014-15.
>Both said there teams were trying to hire people locally (Americans)
>It is a legal requirement.
I was trying to say that just like how you are saying people in Infosys are bad, the Infosys people who work in interviewing Americans are saying the candidates they get are not as good as the Indians! Everyone thinks others are stupid I guess.
>as I had some personal experience in that regard.
I thought you were an American!
> I can also tell you this, this uncertainty will pass.
This is no way correct. The employees file their own returns just like any other American. And they get paid the full salary mentioned in the offer letter they received when they were deputed.
The only "violation" I know these companies do is that they make the employee sign a bond that they have to come back to India and give a 3 months notice period if they want to resign while in US. And this is not just Indian companies. I was surprised to learn recently that the Indian division of an American product company (top 1 or 2 in the world in what they do) has a 12 months notice period with around 10 lakh rupees bond. Compared to that, Indian companies are less evil.
Another thing the Indian companies do is make you work on less desirable projects or otherwise you have to go back to India. And they don't treat their employees the same way a product company in America would do. They see us more or less as "you should be grateful to us that we gave you chance to come to US".
I am not quite sure if LCA is an accurate metric of visa count. For example, I had my visa renewed 3 times so far. Every time, they filed for an LCA. I had to relocate one time. For that also, an LCA was filed. Then another one for my green card PERM or I-140 stage. People who come from India and work for TCS, Infosys etc end up relocating more often. Also, unlike American companies, visas are given to Indian companies only for 1-2 years and sometimes even less (American companies usually get for 3 years). Further, 25405 number doesn't mean they all were deputed from India. Indian companies hire a lot from US. They actually prefer hiring these students because they are desperate for a visa and are willing to settle for a lower salary. If they have to bring someone from India, they have to file the h1b application, hope they get into lottery and then only they can even think of putting them in a project. Most clients won't even want to wait that long unless they had been working on that project for a while and has acquired good knowledge. Where as for students, they can hire them, and file for h1b in the next few months (students get upto 18 months of something called OPT that allows them to work without h1b). This is precisely what's happening in my company. Same I heard is the case for Infosys. And these companies also hire people who are in the green card queue.
>Right, the startups in bay area, good groups at Apples, Googles and Facebooks of the world are filled with people from Infosys ;)
100 thousand Indian students come to US every year. How many of them end up working in these companies? Your own list shows less than 15k.
Among the deputed ones from India, the good ones never stay in the likes of Infosys. While I don't know anybody who went to Google or Facebook, I know a few who jumped from these Indian consultancies to Amazon, Intel and few other Silicon Valley companies. So, I don't think its fair to dismiss a person working for an Indian consultancy company as incompetent. My friend in Infosys was saying recently that a lot of people are joining Amazon and a few other companies like them these days. They can't be stupid if they are getting hired in these companies, right?
Also, I was recently talking to 2 of my friends from Infosys on 2 separate occasions. Both said there teams were trying to hire people locally (Americans), and both had the same opinion as you about the people who came for interviews about skills and competency.
> If anything, most of the technically competent desi people in US have a US degree.
I actually developed a bad opinion of them based on their performance in my own company. People who end up in good colleges probably are good. But those who come from tier 2 and lower colleges are not going to be good just because they studied in a US college.
That was because being in US was considered a status symbol until recently. Parents used to feel proud to tell their friends and relatives that my son/daughter is in US, even though deep down they are afraid of ending up alone. I see an Indian eagerly waiting to be picked for the H1B visa similar to the Sausage Party movie where they all wait eagerly at the supermarket thinking outside the door is heaven or something. I agree some of the things (especially pay) are better than in India, but they are loosing a lot. And India is only going to get better (probably in another 10-15 years, lot of things in India will be comparable to what US has currently).
Coming back to the parents, now with all the negative coverage of H1B in Indian media, people have a negative perception of being in US. My visa expired and is in process of renewal. I didn't go to office one day. My dad thought I wasn't going because I was hiding from the authorities since my visa expired. They have been asking me to come back for a while now.
600K Indians out of 1 billion is nothing. Huge number of Indians don't want to leave India. I hope you know that. It becomes more evident once you are in the marriage market. Lot of them are downright reject proposals from people who work in US. Also, I never heard of Canada immigration until 1 year back. Now, a lot of my friends/colleagues are talking about or in the process of applying for the Canadian visa.
And a good number of those who apply for green card don't do it because they want to become a citizen. Its because once you complete a certain stage of green card (I-140), you can continue working in the country. Otherwise, you have to leave once you complete 6 years. They plan to work for 10-20 years, and come back to India and retire nicely with all the money they made in US.
I have been riding taxis for the last 1 month because DMV refuses to renew my license until my work permit (visa) extension is approved. Nearly half of the drivers I met were from another continent. They are here legally and can work and live here without fear. But, just because I am from India, I cannot. I have to constantly live in fear of one day being told to go back. My employer asked me to go back to India 2-3 years back. I felt really horrible during the last 3 months. If this is how one feels about going back, I don't know how I would feel in my death bed.
I pay my taxes, I pay social security for which I get no benefit, I have to pay US tax for income I make in India. I cannot understand why I am less valuable to your country.
Every time the topic of H1B comes up, people bring up Infosys. Why is that? Why is nobody talking about the 100 thousand Indian students who come to US every year? Who is employing them? These students are one of the primary abusers of the H1B system. They go through lengths to stay in US. They will settle for low salary so that they don't have to leave the country. Literally every scam I saw in H1B is from body shops in US, not the Indian companies. Indian companies do abuse it, by forcing the employees to sign a bond that if they want to resign, they have to come back to India and serve a 3 months notice (I know a Indian arm of an American product company who is top 1 or 2 in what they do with a 12 months notice policy by the way) or pay 5-10 lakhs Indian rupee if they want their experience certificate. And the pay offered is also only half or less of what they charge the customer.
>IT industry body Nasscom on Monday came out in defence of its members TCS and Infosys, saying the two accounted for only 7,504—8.8%—of the approved H1B visas in 2014-15.
This used to be the case. But not any more. A lot of people I know are getting RFEs and rejections for their extensions after i-140. I am actually one of them. Got my I-140, then got RFE. I am in a state that gives license based on your visa and won't renew license unless I have an approved work permit. So, I cannot renew my license, and has been using ride sharing for the last 1 month. Its going to be another 1-2 months before I get a decision on whether I can stay. Fun times. They always find creative ways to make your life difficult. Its amusing they refuse to give me license, but the state has no problem taxing me, even for the income I get in India.
Trump talked about self deportation. He succeeded at least in my case. I am done with all this immigration bull. I hope I can find a job in India soon so that I can escape from here.
What I was trying to point out is that when people talk about Infosys, they are referring to the people who are deputed from India. Or at least thats what I thought. So, when some one says 25405 people got LCA, a person who is not familiar with these things would think that Infosys brings that many people from India every year, and that Infosys is using up 25405 of the 60k or 80k visas to bring new people. They may not realize that this number also includes visa renewals, relocations, and hires from US, and that renewals and relocations do not count towards the 60k limit. If the Nasscom quote below is to be believed, its around 4000.
>IT industry body Nasscom on Monday came out in defence of its members TCS and Infosys, saying the two accounted for only 7,504—8.8%—of the approved H1B visas in 2014-15.
http://www.thehindu.com/business/Industry/tcs-infosys-accoun...
>Both said there teams were trying to hire people locally (Americans) >It is a legal requirement.
I was trying to say that just like how you are saying people in Infosys are bad, the Infosys people who work in interviewing Americans are saying the candidates they get are not as good as the Indians! Everyone thinks others are stupid I guess.
>as I had some personal experience in that regard.
I thought you were an American!
> I can also tell you this, this uncertainty will pass.
Thank you. I hope so too.