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OpenAI's API can now keep reasoning across turns instead of discarding it

drop-05a4352b-803.sophisticated-stay.workers.dev
3 points·by CjHuber·hier·0 comments

CLI tool for live communication between agents in different TUIs and subagents

github.com
2 points·by CjHuber·il y a 5 mois·0 comments

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CjHuber
·avant-hier·discuss
> Instead of requiring developers to script every step or passing every tool response back through the model, Programmatic Tool Calling in the Responses API can filter large amounts of intermediate data, retain only what matters, and adapt its workflow along the way.

this seems very interesting
CjHuber
·il y a 3 jours·discuss
but 5.5 was also no major version bump
CjHuber
·il y a 3 jours·discuss
> fit a lot more work inside the model's context window before you're forced into a slow and lossy compaction step

This is something I never understood. Why the reasoning is not included until the context is full, then the reasoning stripped optionally to allow the conversation to continue. and only then when its truly full offer a compaction. Was it to optimize caching? Well I guess it doesn't matter now that you hinted that this choice was made because of prior limitations and may change very soon
CjHuber
·il y a 3 jours·discuss
Well, obviously its true as you can see in the silbing comment. But still interesting how experiences differ. I wonder did you ever use codex in more demanding workflows, because that at least something like that is going on is obvious if you use it for a few hours
CjHuber
·il y a 3 jours·discuss
Interesting to hear people like gpt-5.5. For me it feels smart only at one shot prompts, but if you try to build up session context before doing something it feels magnitudes inferior to Claude. I'm almost sure its because the thinking of previous turns is stripped with the responses API, so if I tell it to analyse something deeply, what remains of the understanding in future turns is only the short response text of that analysis
CjHuber
·il y a 3 jours·discuss
> so you now have to wait in line for hours

Interesting, I go there pretty regularly and while It is well visited, I not once encountered a queue there
CjHuber
·il y a 6 jours·discuss
I agree, adaptive thinking is a pest and without a minimum thinking budget especially Claude for me currently defaults to not think at all even on max effort.

Sequential-thinking was really a step in the right direction, and works almost exactly how you've described, though when it was popular before the reasoning models and even now when I tried it recently I have never once see it use its branching feature and it tends also to have the RLHF urge to answer something "helpful" quickly instead.
CjHuber
·il y a 25 jours·discuss
I think this is a really good cause but I can't help but wonder about the contrast between the puppy analogy and then increasing the friction of installing it by making it a paid tool
CjHuber
·il y a 26 jours·discuss
What about GBrain
CjHuber
·il y a 27 jours·discuss
Yeah indeed it's very interesting. And the 60k initial context don't even contain the suggested change yet. For me if I don't do this the current models tend to fixate and local patches instead of tracing symbols and making a holistic model of what a change interacts with in the codebase
CjHuber
·il y a 27 jours·discuss
I'm always a bit confused when people say things like this. 60k token is often more than the initial context I feed the model with. And I don't think I ever had a productive session that began under 150k tokens.
CjHuber
·il y a 30 jours·discuss
So isn't that just purely security by obscurity then? Would they not rather have someone publicly break it instead of selling a zero day?
CjHuber
·le mois dernier·discuss
Technically yes
CjHuber
·il y a 2 mois·discuss
I‘m glad you didn’t write value
CjHuber
·il y a 2 mois·discuss
Are you… explaining the effects of being acquired to Hashimoto?
CjHuber
·il y a 3 mois·discuss
It does have an built in documentation subagent it can invoke but that doesn’t help much if they don’t document their shenanigans
CjHuber
·il y a 3 mois·discuss
This is exactly what also confused me. I had the exact same prompt in Claude code as well, and the no option implies you can also keep the whole history. But clicking keep apparently only ever kept the user and assistant messages not the whole actual thinking parts of the conversation
CjHuber
·il y a 3 mois·discuss
No of course it’s unrealistic for them to hold the cache indefinitely and that’s not the point. You are keeping the session data yourself so you can continue even after cache expiry. The point I‘m making is that it made me very angry that without any announcement they changed behavior to strip the old thinking even when you have it in your session file. There is absolutely no reason to not ask the user about if they want this

And it’s part of a larger problem of unannounced changes it‘s just like when they introduced adaptive thinking to 4.6 a few weeks ago without notice.

Also they seem to be completely unaware that some users might only use Claude code because they are used to it not stripping thinking in contrast to codex.

Anyway I‘m happy that they saw it as a valid refund reason
CjHuber
·il y a 3 mois·discuss
I think it’s crazy that they do this, especially without any notice. I would not have renewed my subscription if I knew that they started doing this.

Especially in the analysis part of my work I don‘t care about the actual text output itself most of the time but try to make the model „understand“ the topic.

In the first phase the actual text output itself is worthless it just serves as an indicator that the context was processed correctly and the future actual analysis work can depend on it. And they‘re… just throwing most the relevant stuff out all out without any notice when I resume my session after a few days?

This is insane, Claude literally became useless to me and I didn’t even know it until now, wasting a lot of my time building up good session context.

There would be nothing lost if they said „If you click yes, we will prune your old thinking making Claude faster and saving you tons of tokens“. Most people would say yes probably so why not ask them… make it an env variable (that is announced not a secretly introduced one to opt out of something new!) or at least write it in a change log if they really don’t want to allow people to use it like before, so there‘d be chance to cancel the subscription in time instead of wasting tons of time on work patterns that not longer work
CjHuber
·il y a 3 mois·discuss
I‘d much rather have it go slooower and check more. Why faster it’s way too fast