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Unpasteurized Milk: A Continued Public Health Threat

watermark.silverchair.com

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The Land Magazine – Manifesto

thelandmagazine.org.uk

2 pointsby cheese_goddessil y a 4 ans0 comments

Disgraced Italian surgeon convicted of criminal harm to stem cell patient

1 pointsby cheese_goddessil y a 4 ans0 comments

Parental alienation and the unregulated experts shattering children’s lives

theguardian.com

170 pointsby cheese_goddessil y a 4 ans137 comments

Does turmeric’s reputation translate into real health benefits?

theguardian.com

3 pointsby cheese_goddessil y a 4 ans0 comments

Taste and Flavor Roles of Sodium in Foods: A Unique Challenge to Reducing Sodium

ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

6 pointsby cheese_goddessil y a 4 ans0 comments

Number crunching: why ultra-processed foods have a calorie problem

theguardian.com

2 pointsby cheese_goddessil y a 4 ans1 comments

Millions of tonnes of dead animals: the growing scandal of fish waste

theguardian.com

1 pointsby cheese_goddessil y a 4 ans0 comments

Protein mania: the rich world’s new diet obsession (2019)

theguardian.com

2 pointsby cheese_goddessil y a 4 ans0 comments

Ultra-processed food took over your shopping basket

theguardian.com

5 pointsby cheese_goddessil y a 4 ans1 comments

We lost our sensory connection with food – and how to restore it

theguardian.com

1 pointsby cheese_goddessil y a 4 ans0 comments

Cars or livestock: which contribute more to climate change? (2018)

1 pointsby cheese_goddessil y a 4 ans0 comments

Eating meat affects the environment, but cows are not killing the climate (2018)

theconversation.com

9 pointsby cheese_goddessil y a 4 ans2 comments

Save the Planet, Eat a Bug

1 pointsby cheese_goddessil y a 4 ans1 comments

Buying a Goat for a Family in Africa: The Pros and Cons

canadianfeedthechildren.ca

2 pointsby cheese_goddessil y a 4 ans0 comments

Opinion: Innovative solutions to sustainable development? Try livestock (2019)

1 pointsby cheese_goddessil y a 4 ans0 comments

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11 pointsby cheese_goddessil y a 4 ans0 comments

The farmer who makes 'ethical' foie gras

theguardian.com

1 pointsby cheese_goddessil y a 4 ans0 comments

The future looked like it could be meat-free. Then the pandemic hit

2 pointsby cheese_goddessil y a 4 ans1 comments

Shepherd’s delight: the young Italian nomads high in the Dolomites – photo essay

theguardian.com

2 pointsby cheese_goddessil y a 4 ans0 comments

comments

il y a 4 ansdiscuss

A warning would have been welcome, because from my point of view I was interacting mainly with other single-purpose, agenda-driven accounts that flamed me incessantly. Early on in this there was even a very creepy attempt to dox me or something similar and there was no obvious reaction to that from the site.

Anyway, sorry for causing you to ban the account.

Edit: I created this account not to break HN rules with, but to contribute my (limited) knowledge of dairy science and cheesemaking technology which I thought would be interesting to HN users, since it's not very common. I got embroiled in flame wars because threads about food invite ideologically driven posts, and because my username acts as a red flag to some users. Just this last couple of weeks I had three or four try to use it as an argument against me, to imply I have some kind of ulterior motive (profit?) for the things I post.

I believe I was being targeted and dogpiled on and that I was not getting into any constructive conversations with anyone, because all the conversations I cared to join (about food or about the environment) were always very one-sided and ideologically driven.

Oh. I also created this account because personal characteristics force me to compartmentalise my online presence.

It totally went to shit, I admit. Sorry again.

il y a 4 ansdiscuss

Cheddar should already melt nicely. Maybe we're talking about different cheeses called "cheddar"? I've never had American cheddar, maybe it's different than the English kind?

il y a 4 ansdiscuss

il y a 4 ansdiscuss

Copying from an earlier comment of mine, "American cheese" or "processed cheese" is often (but not always) a blend of materials none of which begins life as cheese:

> Typical formulation for Analogue Pizza Cheese, from Fundamentals of Cheese Science:

  Ingredient               Level added (g/100g Blend)
  Casein and caseinates    23.00 
  Vegetable oil            25.00   
  startch                  2.00    
  Emulsifying salts        2.00    
  Flavour                  2.00    
  Flavour enhancer         2.00    
  Acid regulator           0.40
  Color                    0.04
  Preservative             0.10
  Water                    38.50
  Condensate^              7.00

^ Upon cooking the blend to about 85°C using direct steam injection, condensate equivalent to about 7.0 g is absorbed by the blend.

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=27169697

The list above is for "analogue pizza cheese" but that's just the most common use of this kind of "cheese": as pizza topping.

So, in a way, "vegan cheese" is not the worst kind of thing in the market that's labelled as "cheese" while not even close to the real thing.

Btw, many people who are not vegan or vegetarian eat this stuff and think it's cheese. I mean because it's on pizza. And it kiind of melts, right? What else do you expect to find sort of melting on top of pizza? Cheese!

So, yeah, 100%, you can totally and absolutely fool consumers by emulating the look, taste and feel of a real foodstuff. But usually that's because those consumers are so used to eating fake stuff anyway that they have forgotten what the real thing tastes like... if they ever even tasted it.

il y a 4 ansdiscuss

> Different names will used if need be and consumers will continue the trend of reducing their meat consumption for environmental, health, or ethical reasons.

Consumers are not reducing their meat consumption. Instead meat consumption is increasing:

https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/meat-production-tonnes?ta...

> As a global average, per capita meat consumption has increased approximately 20 kilograms since 1961; the average person consumed around 43 kilograms of meat in 2014. This increase in per capita meat trends means total meat production has been growing at a much faster than the rate of population growth.

As is production:

https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/meat-production-tonnes?ta...

Worldwide.

il y a 4 ansdiscuss

For example:

https://youtu.be/8uN8PUU5U2Q?t=1463

(Shows Beyond Burger placed next to meat burgers in a French supermarket).

il y a 4 ansdiscuss

The standard explanation is that those are aimed at ordinary consumers who wish to reduce their meat consumption but can't unless they taste something that tastes like meat (resp. dairy).

il y a 4 ansdiscuss

> I think “real” is a bit of a problem there because if vegan cheese is real it means it’s really vegan.

"Real vegan cheese" should not be a problem as long as you're selling a real product. The problems would begin if you were selling real cheese as "Really vegan cheese".

il y a 4 ansdiscuss

Why is this fortunate? Miyioko makes nut paste and calls it "cheese". It's fortunate that she can keep selling her product under false assumptions?

To be clear, the false assumptions are that her product is cheese, when it's not, and that it tastes, smells or feels like cheese, when it doesn't.

il y a 4 ansdiscuss

<3 <3 <3 ???

il y a 4 ansdiscuss

I call bids on "Klim".

Klim™

I guess Keats™ is taken, and I can't trademark Team™, but I'll try.

il y a 4 ansdiscuss

> Angel investors, venture capitalists, as well as increased investments from agrifood giants such as Cargill, Danone and Nestle, have helped boost growth to 19% per year.

Cargill, Danone and Nestle. Those companies, they are exemplars of environmentally responsible, ethical production of high-quality nutritious food that respects animal rights and human health:

> Cargill: the company feeding the world by helping destroy the planet

https://unearthed.greenpeace.org/2020/11/25/cargill-deforest...

> Cost of environmental damage linked to Nestlé, Danone and Mondelez rises sharply

> "A lot of major global corporations have effectively outsourced their environmental impact to their supply chains," said Dexter Galvin, global director of corporations and supply chains at CDP, a nonprofit group that collects environmental data from companies. "It's a blind spot, which means that most of their carbon emissions, water use and impact on deforestation escape public scrutiny."

https://www.spglobal.com/marketintelligence/en/news-insights...

> Animal rights campaigners are now urging the public to boycott Danone, Nestle and Yakult to stop the animal suffering.

https://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/600145/Nestle-Yakult-and-D...

> Multiple reports have documented the widespread use of child labour in cocoa production, as well as slavery and child trafficking, throughout West African plantations, on which Nestlé and other major chocolate companies rely.[159][160][161][162][163] According to the 2010 documentary, The Dark Side of Chocolate, the children working are typically 12 to 15 years old.[164] The Fair Labor Association has criticised Nestlé for not carrying out proper checks.[165]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nestl%C3%A9#Slavery_and_child_...

In September 2017, an investigation[215] conducted by NGO Mighty Earth found that a large amount of the cocoa used in chocolate produced by Nestlé and other major chocolate companies was grown illegally in national parks and other protected areas in Ivory Coast and Ghana.[216][217][218] The countries are the world's two largest cocoa producers.[219][220]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nestl%C3%A9#Deforestation

I mean, who else would be investing in fake sausages?

il y a 4 ansdiscuss

If you want variety of bacteria, then the highest is probably in milk kefir, and the second highest in aged, hard cheese.

Kefir, we don't even know how many or what bacteria it hosts, but we know it's a lot. Different studies have reported wildly different communities, but all of them with upwards of a dozen species. For example:

> Sequencing-Based Analysis of the Bacterial and Fungal Composition of Kefir Grains and Milks from Multiple Sources

https://journals.plos.org/plosone/article?id=10.1371/journal...

Aged hard cheese, unless made with raw milk, is usually inocculated with a couple of strains of lactic acid bacteria, but during aging a varied flora develops, of "adventitious bacteria" and yeasts from the environment.

To be honest though, I made kefir for a couple of years and I've been making cheese for about four now and I make the occasional yogurt now and then, but I'm still not convinced about the health claims of "probiotics". And I'm not the only one to be skeptical:

> A growing probiotics market has led to the need for stricter requirements for scientific substantiation of putative benefits conferred by microorganisms claimed to be probiotic.[7] Although numerous claimed benefits are marketed towards using consumer probiotic products, such as reducing gastrointestinal discomfort, improving immune health,[8] relieving constipation, or avoiding the common cold, such claims are not supported by scientific evidence,[7][9][10] and are prohibited as deceptive advertising in the United States by the Federal Trade Commission.[11] As of 2019, numerous applications for approval of health claims by European manufacturers of probiotic dietary supplements have been rejected by the European Food Safety Authority for insufficient evidence of beneficial mechanism or efficacy.[8][12]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Probiotic

Btw, you know what elese has plenty of lactic acid bacteria, therefore probiotics? Sourdough. Alhtough if you make kefir, you can use it instead of sourdough as a bread starter.

il y a 4 ansdiscuss

So we agree that a vegan diet is just another shitty diet that carries a risk of heart disease (also stroke and pregnancy complications), just like other shitty diets. And just because other diets are also shitty and unhealthy, doesn't change the fact that the vegan diet is a shitty, unhealthy diet and that people should be warned of the health risks inherent in it.

Agreed. 100%. What straw man?

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Who is that "somoeone whose entire life and identity has been in animal agriculture"? I work in IT. I chose my username because I make cheese as a hobby.

btw, when did I say anything about "cow overpopulation"? I don't even know what that is?

Oh, wait. Of course. It's a straw man. Nevermind.

> Both the American Dietetic Association[0] and British Dietetic Association[1] confirm that a well-planned vegan diet is healthy for all stages of life.

The key words being "well-planned". As the Vegan Society says, most vegans have low homocysteine levels which is a clear indication that their diets are not "well planned" and put them in danger of heart disease, stroke and pregnancy complications, at least.

That is "most" vegans, in the words of the Vegan Society.

Then of course there's the vegans who feed their kids vegan diets without any planning at all and end up damaging their kids' health, or killing them:

> In 2002, a vegan couple from New Zealand was accused of child abuse after ‘failing to provide the necessities of life’ for their six-month-old child. Their son died of medical complications due to vitamin B12 deficiency after the parents left the hospital against medical advice to treat their son with herbal remedies (23). In addition, seven infants exclusively breastfed by vegan mothers developed nutritional vitamin B12 deficiency. Most of these children presented with hypotonia, lengths and weights below the third percentile, and psychomotor retardation that improved with the appropriate nutritional supplementation (24).

> As recently as 2005, despite the significant available literature on the potential risks of alternate diets, strict vegan parents were taken to court and charged with neglect after one of their children died of malnutrition (25). Their other four children were all found to be below the lowest appropriate percentile for height and weight for their age. These parents avoided taking their children to see physicians and the children were not immunized.

https://europepmc.org/article/PMC/2528709

So, well-planned diets, my foot. Most vegans have no idea what to do to stay healthy while eating their preferred diet. And do you know why? Because irresponsible internet vegans like you try very hard to hide the fact that a vegan diet is a health risk. The Vegan Society at least is honest about that:

> The risk to these groups alone is reason enough to call on all vegans to give a consistent message as to the importance of B12 and to set a positive example. Every case of B12 deficiency in a vegan infant or an ill informed adult is a tragedy and brings veganism into disrepute.

https://www.vegansociety.com/resources/nutrition-and-health/...

My guess is that this is because those folks care deeply about their principles and don't just use them as a bludgeon to win internet arguments, like you guys.

il y a 4 ansdiscuss

No. Who said that, other than vegans? It's a lie. Everybody else, the IPCC, the FAO, environmental organisations, they all say we need to shift diets, in particular western diets, towards a plant-based diet:

> Such recommendations include for example: having a mostly plant-based diet, focus on seasonal and local foods, reduction of food waste, consumption of fish from sustainable stocks only and reduction of red and processed meat, highly-processed foods and sugar-sweetened beverages.

https://www.fao.org/nutrition/education/food-dietary-guideli...

But a plant-based diet is not vegan (although a vegan diet is plant-based), it's a diet where the majority of calories come from plants:

> A plant-based diet is a diet consisting mostly or entirely of plant-based foods.[1][2][3] Plant-based diets encompass a wide range of dietary patterns that contain low amounts of animal products and high amounts of plant products such as vegetables, fruits, whole grains, legumes, nuts and seeds.[4][5] They do not need to be vegan or vegetarian[6][7] but are defined in terms of low frequency of animal food consumption.[8][9]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plant-based_diet

For example, the Mediterranean diet is a plant-based diet:

> The principal aspects of this diet include proportionally high consumption of olive oil, legumes, unrefined cereals, fruits,[3] and vegetables, moderate to high consumption of fish, moderate consumption of dairy products (mostly as cheese and yogurt), moderate wine consumption, and low consumption of non-fish meat products.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mediterranean_diet

A plant-based diet includes fish, dairy, eggs and meat, although meat in moderate to small quantities.

Vegans certainly like to pretend that "plant-based" means "vegan", but that's just their propaganda. Please don't help spread such lies.

il y a 4 ansdiscuss

Yes, but be careful what you mean by "we". The truth is that most meat is consumed in certain parts of the world, particularly Western, industrialised countries. The USA, Australia and Argentina consume the most meat:

https://www.mekkographics.com/meat-consumption-by-country-an...

The United States, China and Brazil produce the most beef:

https://ourworldindata.org/meat-production

In my reading, there is a great inequality in distribution of both consumption and production and if both could be equalized downwards, that would mean a significant reduction overall.

il y a 4 ansdiscuss

Th graph in this article is useful to answer your question:

https://ourworldindata.org/food-ghg-emissions

According to the article, 26% of all GHG emissions are from food production.

Of that:

31% of all food production comes from livestock and fisheries.

27% comes from crop production, with 6% for animal feed and 21% for human food.

24% comes from land use, 8% for human food and 16% for livestock.

18% comes from ransport and other emissions from the supply chain.

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Because everyone on the planet going vegan tomorrow will not fix the root cause of climate change which is burning fossil fuels. Three quarters of Greenhouse Gas emissions are caused by burning fossil fuels in sectors other than agriculture (in general, not just farming):

https://ourworldindata.org/ghg-emissions-by-sector

Namely energy use in industry and buildings, and transportation.

Even taking into account the power used for transport, storage etc, of food, the food system as a whole accounts for one quarter of emissions:

https://ourworldindata.org/food-ghg-emissions

So even if we stopped eating any food at all tomorrow, we'd still not be stopping climate change, which is caused ... say it with me ... by burning fossil fuels.

  Burning fossil fuels. <-. 
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                    This!

That thing right there is the cause of climate change and that's the thing what we have to address, and address immediately.

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You've been vegan for 19 years but does that mean you haven't had any meat or animal products in those 19 years?

Because from what I understand, most vegans do eat at least some meat and animal products once in a while. "Breaking vegan" they call it. And it's OK to do it as long as you're vegan, otherwise it's not right and you're a murderer.

Because only being vegan is an ethical stance. Where being vegan of course means posting vegan memes on twitter and stuff like that.