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greenbcj
·il y a 4 ans·discuss
…or if the weather changes and they need to reduce weight. On a CRJ this is quite common (which was the type of plane this incident occurred).
greenbcj
·il y a 4 ans·discuss
“airline staff could fly for free”

It’s not that simple. This was a crew being sent to operate another plane. If they can’t move the crew, that could potentially cancel several other flights, and affect hundreds of other passengers.
greenbcj
·il y a 4 ans·discuss
Yeah… it’s sort of like doctors routinely overbooking appointments, and you have to wait four hours after your scheduled time to see the doctor.

I wonder if the doctor on this plane did this as well?
greenbcj
·il y a 4 ans·discuss
I agree… Republic screwed up here in allowing the passengers to board before sorting out the crew seats.

But, would this passenger have acted any differently if they had to ask him to leave under one of the acceptable conditions? Based on his reasoning, I highly doubt it.

It’s not uncommon on the type of aircraft operated by Republic that after boarding, they need to vacate a few seats based on fuel requirements (changing weather). I’ve had times we taxi, then return to the gate to offload passengers because the wind changed directions. I’ve many times seen passengers get upset, but the system the airlines use to select passengers is fairly objective. Based on fare type, when you purchased, etc.

Also, from a legal perspective, once the airline asked him to leave, even if they broke the rules it’s still trespassing. If the airline asks me to leave, I’m not arguing. I leave and handle the situation with customer service. I’ve had this happen. And I’ve been “bumped” incorrectly before, and well compensated after.

Also… I agree with the airlines reasoning that they needed to move a crew. If they can’t position a crew, that’s 150 bumped passengers with a significant domino effect (potentially four or five doctors… that did the right thing and bought the appropriate fares) rather than just four.
greenbcj
·il y a 4 ans·discuss
The airlines need to figure this out on their own. Commuter rail lines deal with much worse, and somehow don’t need a special list; instead, relying on the same criminal trespass laws the rest of us use.

And… to be fair, far more railroad conductors have been hurt or killed by passengers than airline employees.

Railroads solved this problem a number of ways, but one way was having their own law enforcement agencies. The airlines, which are far more profitable, instead get this service mostly subsidized by taxpayers, through local police almost always stationed at airports, air marshals provided by the FAA, and passenger screening by TSA.
greenbcj
·il y a 4 ans·discuss
I side with the airline here.

What no one mentions, is that this guy bought a ticket where the fare rules clearly state your seat is conditional; it was a deeply discounted fare.

If I have something important where I need to be somewhere, I buy a fare that guarantees me a seat. It’s an option you select in nearly every reservation system I’ve used (including the airlines websites).

The airline was well within its rights. If he was a doctor, and it was that important, he should be buying a fare that reflects that and avoid these issues.

He bought the cheapest fare that clearly stated the rules where he would lose his seat under certain conditions, then acted indignant when there were consequences.

The airline asked him to leave, he refused. That’s trespassing, “plane” and simple.

When the police came, he still refused. They arrested him, and he still refused. I’m not really sure how else you remove any trespasser that refuses to comply, without some use of force.

I fly all the time, and I have to buy the more expensive fares because I’m an adult that has appointments. It would make me angry if the airline was prioritizing deeply discounted fares and bumping me instead because of someone’s self-important claims.

Need to be there at a certain time? Buy a real ticket.
greenbcj
·il y a 5 ans·discuss
This seems more like “build your own data warehouse” than data lake.