maxltv · HackerTrans

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You can turn it off for specific sites (via Grammarly settings) OR you can turn it on only for specific sites (via browser settings). The process is different depending on whether you are using a browser extension or desktop integration. Here is an example for the browser extension: https://support.grammarly.com/hc/en-us/articles/115000091612...

maxltv

il y a 4 ansdiscuss

I do not think just tweeting at Youtube out of nowhere will work or is even appropriate (it would spam the feeds of a massive number of people). If you have a Twitter conversation with Youtube, I can probably have Grammarly chime in with a confirmation that it's not hacking. So please give me a link to such a conversation.

maxltv

il y a 4 ansdiscuss

Universities license Grammarly primarily for their students, but instructors also can use it as an aid to educate students about the importance of citing sources. The plagiarism checker is a feature of the main product and cannot be licensed without the main product. These are verifiable facts.

In any case, Grammarly does not include a number of plagiarism policy enforcement features intentionally and by design, due to its focus on supporting authors rather than policing. Any insinuation of otherwise is false.

Please stop pretending to know more about the plans and intentions of a company than the company itself and posting falsehoods.

maxltv

il y a 4 ansdiscuss

What tweet do you need Grammarly to respond to with the confirmation?

maxltv

il y a 4 ansdiscuss

It's not forbidden, but it will not work for this purpose as well as a purpose-built enforcement tool. For example, if two students submit the same paper, Grammarly will not flag it, also by design. Faculty still benefits a lot from this because a lot of plagiarism is unintentional or "lazy" - as in students not citing sources, due to ignorance or laziness, rather than students intentionally committing academic dishonesty.

maxltv

il y a 5 ansdiscuss

Yes, please feel free to mention that to Youtube. If it helps, I can get the company (Grammarly) to officially confirm that the videos are not a problem if Youtube needs a confirmation.

But I am absolutely certain this is by design, and that's why there was no change. It's not a policing tool but an authoring tool. What you described in #5 is not an intended use of the product and is a violation of TOS.

maxltv

il y a 5 ansdiscuss

Oleksandre, you got an official response that this is by design. I explained why. This is a landing page, not a separate product, and the description of the plagiarism feature clearly states it's not for policing:

"...Our free plagiarism check will tell you whether or not your text contains duplicate content. Our Premium plagiarism check highlights passages that require citations and gives you the resources you need to properly credit your sources."

maxltv

il y a 5 ansdiscuss

There is no separate product - it is a feature of the main product. Please point out where documentation says it's for enforcement because that will need to be corrected. It can help teachers educate students about plagiarism but it's not meant for enforcement. It's a student tool.

Here is the text from the linked landing page describing the plagiarism checker feature (emphasis mine):

Our free plagiarism check will tell you whether or not your text contains duplicate content. Our Premium plagiarism check highlights passages that require citations and gives you the resources you need to properly credit your sources.

This makes it quite clear that is an authoring tool, not policing tool. Plagiarism masking is not addressed by design. It's a trivial thing to code if there was a need but the company made a decision to stay out of plagiarism enforcement (at least for now).

maxltv

il y a 5 ansdiscuss

A Grammarly team member but posting own thoughts to clarify some things.

First, Grammarly has nothing to do with this suspension and does not have any problem with the videos in question, just as mentioned in the official HackerOne response.

Second, this is not a hack or even a flaw. It is an attempt to use Grammarly for a NON-INTENDED purpose, that predictably did not work. Grammarly is not meant for anti-plagiarism policy enforcement. Grammarly aims to help users avoid accidental or unintentional plagiarism by highlighting parts that may need to be cited. So it does not attempt to deal with any plagiarism enforcement countermeasures. If someone is deliberately masking plagiarism with these countermeasures, it's definitely NOT unintentional or accidental and a whole different issue altogether, so Grammarly does not get involved with this, by design. Bypassing the tool that is designed to HELP YOU avoid getting in trouble with accidental plagiarism is not a hack but more like "bypassing" your wifi by putting your own router in a microwave - defeating the purpose rather than defeating security. So Grammarly does not care about these videos (although I think presenting this as a hack or a flaw is a little unfair).

Finally, Youtube's automated (I'm guessing) blocking often does strange things. My account was once blocked for supposedly violating Sony's video game copyright. The video in question was me driving a car on a race track, in real life. It got unblocked within a week or two, though.

maxltv

il y a 5 ansdiscuss

That would be irrelevant in this case. Grammarly has no issues with the videos, as the company stated in the official responses on HackerOne.

Grammarly's plagiarism self-check is to help its users avoid accidental or unintentional plagiarism by highlighting text that may need citations. If a user is using countermeasures to mask plagiarism, it's not accidental or unintentional, so Grammarly stays out of it. Grammarly is NOT a plagiarism policy enforcement tool.

maxltv

il y a 5 ansdiscuss

More honest in what way?

maxltv

il y a 5 ansdiscuss

First, Grammarly has nothing to do with this suspension or any problem with the videos in question.

Second, this is not a flaw or a hack but an unsuccessful attempt to use Grammarly for an UNINTENDED purpose. Grammarly is not meant for anti-plagiarism enforcement. Grammarly aims to help users avoid accidental or unintentional plagiarism by highlighting parts that may need to be cited. So it does not attempt to deal with any plagiarisms enforcement countermeasures - if someone is deliberately masking plagiarism, it's definitely not unintentional or accidental. It's trivial to overcome these particular counter-measures but that's just not what Grammarly is for.

maxltv

il y a 5 ansdiscuss

Grammarly is not paying for this. Grammarly is not involved or even concerned in any way. This is not even a "hack" but rather trying to use Grammarly for something it was not designed for, and showing it does not work for that. "Ok, duh, and thank you for your interest in Grammarly..."

The plagiarism check is for self-checking, as in users making sure they did not miss any quotations and references in their work, and thus it does not even attempt to defeat any plagiarism enforcement counter-measures. It's not an enforcement tool.

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