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Three quarters of infected in Massachusetts outbreak were vaccinated, CDC says

thehill.com
4 points·by penultimatebro·il y a 5 ans·9 comments

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penultimatebro
·il y a 5 ans·discuss
Well I’m convinced. Case closed, you win.
penultimatebro
·il y a 5 ans·discuss
The mRNA vaccines do not, and never have, reduce the spread of the virus from one infected person to someone else.

The only thing they do is reduce symptoms. That has been known from clinical trials.

Everything else is a talking point not based on a peer reviewed scientific study. Or if you think you have a study that refutes this, please post.
penultimatebro
·il y a 5 ans·discuss
Important question:

Did they die from COVID-19 or did they with COVID-19?

Italy just revised their numbers and it’s quite a significant difference.
penultimatebro
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Ha ha, funny satire.

Wait, reading this again... you’re serious?

So do you have an actual time machine and can go to the future and know side effects a year from now?

The long term effects are unknowable. This mRNA technology is brand new so please don’t compare that to a traditional vaccine.
penultimatebro
·il y a 5 ans·discuss
This from May, which is before Delta.
penultimatebro
·il y a 5 ans·discuss
>Not least of which is that no one calls "natural" immunity psuedoscience—it's how the vaccine works.

I’m sure that’s how it was intended to work but the term you’re looking for is artificial immunity or vaccine derived immunity. Unfortunately the vaccines don’t confer immunity so there goes that.

>What happens when we reach a critical mass of health workers quitting?

For not consenting to a vaccination mandate? We’re all about to find out. Can you imagine working on the front lines for over a year to suddenly be discarded like a piece of trash because you won’t take a vaccine (when you are almost certainly already immune)?

>The transmission argument similarly falls short given that the vaccine reduces the odds of you becoming a vector in the first place, or progressing to the point you require state intervention to survive

Speaking of disingenuous... I’m not sure why people gloss over the fact that the vaccines don’t prevent transmission. Why fumble over word games instead of acknowledging the simple fact that you don’t get immunity from the vaccine.

Now follow that train of thought to it’s logical end. Universal forced vaccination of everyone on Earth with passports to boot and the outbreaks still continue.

Well hey at least we have this neato “world ID” (vaccine passport) which couldn’t possibly be used for nefarious means.
penultimatebro
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“The Delta variant and waning immunity against transmission mean herd immunity may well be impossible even if every single American gets a shot.”

Waning? Did you mean nonexistent? A good start to tackling the problem the author focuses on is being honest and forthright with the public.

The vaccines have only ever been effective at reduction of symptoms. They have never prevented transmission and never promised to.

Once you completely wrap your head around this concept, restrictions on freedom like vaccine passports and violations of human rights like mandatory vaccinations are useless.

Even with 100% vaccination coverage, there will still be outbreaks. It’s only a matter of time before the goalposts shift on “fully vaccinated” and one’s passport isn’t valid anymore. Not until you get the booster. And you may think it ends at shot #3, nope. This goes on for as long as we let it.

The solution? It’s simple and timeless: natural immunity. Vaccine supporters can get all the additional boosters they want. It’s their body, so it’s their choice of course.

It’s time to start embracing natural immunity not as fringe pseudoscience but as what it truly is: the only way out of this pandemic. And the nice part is, you likely already have it. Remember the Diamond Princess cruise ship? Only 20% of the ship tested positive for Covid and they were aboard for over 2 weeks. Everyone else likely had cross reactive immunity from a previous cold season’s coronavirus strain.

Disagree? Let’s talk
penultimatebro
·il y a 5 ans·discuss
>We are already seeing this in action--while natural immunity provides very good protection against reinfection with that strain it doesn't do so well against other strains.

Please post some proof to corroborate any of this. I assume you’re talking about COVID strains here?

>Natural immunity isn’t going to happen, we have seen far too many cases of reinfection with different variants.

Again, source desperately needed here. I’m more than willing to change my take but only with hard data, not sweeping generalizations based on a misunderstanding of how natural immunity works.
penultimatebro
·il y a 5 ans·discuss
You’re comparing traditional vaccines to mRNA vaccines here. An mRNA “vaccine” is closer to a biologic than to a traditional vaccine. We’re told they’re not “gene therapy”, instead the Moderna CEO has called them “information therapy”.

Anyway, I’m rambling. In a nutshell, they shouldn’t be thought of as the same technology because well, they’re not.
penultimatebro
·il y a 5 ans·discuss
Of course it will change. It will continually change because we are now on the path of endless vaccines.

I understand the booster is the same formula as the existing shots. Which means the boosters will do as well or worse than the original two shots.

The mRNA vaccines trigger an immune response to one specific protein associated with the wild type virus. This puts tremendous evolutionary pressure on the virus to mutate, which has already happened. Now we have the Delta variant which the vaccines do next to nothing against. Why? Because the virus has obviously found a way around our vaccine induced immune response.

So looking ahead a month: you won’t be fully vaccinated until receiving a booster, which will fail miserably. The formula will have to change which manufacturers will be more than happy to provide of cour$e. And there will be a new round of shots (number 4 or possibly 4 and 5 together).

Natural immunity looking better every day eh? The one concept that is forbidden to speak about is basically our only way out of this.
penultimatebro
·il y a 5 ans·discuss
There you have it... if one dares to post anything that conflicts with the official narrative, you are a paid shill. Even if that post is literal science like the comment above which is a collection of studies on Ivermectin.
penultimatebro
·il y a 5 ans·discuss
Instead of straight coercion like limiting travel with a passport, I would argue the following is more effective:

- Full liability for vaccine manufacturers

- No censorship of dissenting views

- Open discussion with all views represented instead of suppressed

- Honesty on unvaccinated vs vaccinated case, death numbers

- Following the science instead of what’s convenient for politicians at the moment
penultimatebro
·il y a 5 ans·discuss
Let’s think outside the box a bit here. If we see a few more of these leaks, it’s reasonable to assume that they’re leaked on purpose.

Why? So that vaccination status won’t be private health data anymore, it will slowly work it’s way towards being public information.

With the data public, non-compliers can be harassed, threatened or worse without governments having to lift a finger to oppress them.
penultimatebro
·il y a 5 ans·discuss
But that’s the only argument they have
penultimatebro
·il y a 5 ans·discuss
Yeah, dang morons not getting the not-yet-available booster shot!

I mean, those dang morons not getting the available vaccine which does nothing for transmission of the current viral variant! Eesh, well that doesn’t hold water either...

Ugh this is too complicated, let’s just blame the unvaccinated anyways mmkay?
penultimatebro
·il y a 5 ans·discuss
You were doing so well until the last sentence.

Vaccinated people are just as likely to spread the delta variant. If you disagree, please post your proof. Until then, please stop spreading misinformation.
penultimatebro
·il y a 5 ans·discuss
Thank you EU - Bitcoin transactions weren’t traceable at ALL before.
penultimatebro
·il y a 5 ans·discuss
The vaccinated shed mutations - it’s the conclusion of the paper. They are the petri dishes of which new vaccine derived mutations spawn.

You’re attempting to tie these mutations to only the unvaccinated. They likely shed mutations as well but that’s not what this paper highlights.

Not only can the vaccinated spread the virus but they’re likely making it more pathogenic in the process. See here:

https://journals.plos.org/plosbiology/article/info:doi/10.13...
penultimatebro
·il y a 5 ans·discuss
If you haven’t yet, now would be a good time to get completely out of USDT on any exchanges or Celsius/BlockFi/etc
penultimatebro
·il y a 5 ans·discuss
Thank you censorship, or I would have never known about this subreddit.