German intelligence offices snub Palantir software(dw.com)
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German intelligence offices snub Palantir software
https://www.dw.com/en/german-intelligence-offices-snub-us-based-palantir-software/a-77160897
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> The US-European alliance is on its deathbed.
Agreed, though the nuclear issue still has to be solved. IMO the EU needs a nuclear arsenal. Any future dictator from the east will keep on probing otherwise.
But, even IF the US-led over-dominance would be maintained, I really don't understand why my taxes paid, go into US companies. This model really does not work anymore after the USA allied with Russia (de-facto, if you listen to the orange king).
Agreed, though the nuclear issue still has to be solved. IMO the EU needs a nuclear arsenal. Any future dictator from the east will keep on probing otherwise.
But, even IF the US-led over-dominance would be maintained, I really don't understand why my taxes paid, go into US companies. This model really does not work anymore after the USA allied with Russia (de-facto, if you listen to the orange king).
> IMO the EU needs a nuclear arsenal.
What's wrong with the British and French nuclear arsenals?
And where are the "EU" armed forces, and nuclear weapon supply chain, and military and civilian command structures that would be needed to design/test/build/test/deploy/use nuclear weapons?
What's wrong with the British and French nuclear arsenals?
And where are the "EU" armed forces, and nuclear weapon supply chain, and military and civilian command structures that would be needed to design/test/build/test/deploy/use nuclear weapons?
> And where are the "EU" armed forces, and nuclear weapon supply chain
Well, in France and in England, although the other european countries have them as well, and/or are part of that supply chain - but it's not exactly advertised due to the general population's (imo understandable) disdain for nuclear weapons; and probably a collection of geopolitical reasons too.
Well, in France and in England, although the other european countries have them as well, and/or are part of that supply chain - but it's not exactly advertised due to the general population's (imo understandable) disdain for nuclear weapons; and probably a collection of geopolitical reasons too.
Isn't this a good thing though? Europe becomes more self-reliant and less dependent on US technology, the US is able to refocus to the Pacific which is a more strategically relevant area, the anti-US people in Europe become happy, and the anti-Europe people in the US become happy.
It's not like tourism or cultural distance is going to disappear. All that disappears is the military entanglement, which to be honest, was mostly obsolete after 1991 anyway.
It's not like tourism or cultural distance is going to disappear. All that disappears is the military entanglement, which to be honest, was mostly obsolete after 1991 anyway.
>the US is able to refocus to the Pacific which is a more strategically relevant area
this was the ostensible narrative for almost a decade but in reality the US has since then, threatened Europe with the annexation of Greenland, invaded Latin America and withdrawn resources from Asia for a war in the Middle East, with energy market consequences worst for America's allies in the Pacific. (Japan depends almost entirely on the Gulf)
This has not been good news for the China hawks in the US, literally as we're discussing this the US president is in China and Taiwan seems to have completely vanished from the agenda. Far from directing resources against China and bolstering democratic nations in Asia the US is now emulating China, withdrawing from Asia to bully its regional neighbors.
this was the ostensible narrative for almost a decade but in reality the US has since then, threatened Europe with the annexation of Greenland, invaded Latin America and withdrawn resources from Asia for a war in the Middle East, with energy market consequences worst for America's allies in the Pacific. (Japan depends almost entirely on the Gulf)
This has not been good news for the China hawks in the US, literally as we're discussing this the US president is in China and Taiwan seems to have completely vanished from the agenda. Far from directing resources against China and bolstering democratic nations in Asia the US is now emulating China, withdrawing from Asia to bully its regional neighbors.
As long as there is NATO and US troops in the EU, I don't see that this is happening (plus, all europeans need a nuclear arsenal under EU control).
> It's not like tourism or cultural distance is going to disappear.
I do not think tourism is an issue anywhere.
> All that disappears is the military entanglement, which to be honest, was mostly obsolete after 1991 anyway.
This is a possibility, but why would you discount other possibilities? The USA is saying a lot, but doing very little. Why are there still occupying troops in the EU? Didn't the USA announce how NATO is dead already? So why are there still troops?
I am very much not convinced that anything has really changed, aside from the rhetorics.
> It's not like tourism or cultural distance is going to disappear.
I do not think tourism is an issue anywhere.
> All that disappears is the military entanglement, which to be honest, was mostly obsolete after 1991 anyway.
This is a possibility, but why would you discount other possibilities? The USA is saying a lot, but doing very little. Why are there still occupying troops in the EU? Didn't the USA announce how NATO is dead already? So why are there still troops?
I am very much not convinced that anything has really changed, aside from the rhetorics.
> All that disappears is the military entanglement, which to be honest, was mostly obsolete after 1991 anyway.
https://www.wearethemighty.com/tactical/royal-marine-command...
https://www.wearethemighty.com/tactical/royal-marine-command...
Also:
- F-35 Lightning II (Joint Strike Fighter) Program: The UK is the only Tier 1 partner in this program, procuring F-35B aircraft for the Royal Navy/RAF and considering F-35A variants.
- Trident Nuclear Missile System: A continuation of the 1982 amendment to the Polaris Sales Agreement, the US provides Trident D5 submarine-launched ballistic missiles for the UK’s Vanguard-class and future Dreadnought-class submarines.AUKUS Submarine Combat Systems
- Boeing P-8A Poseidon Maritime Patrol Aircraft: The UK procured nine P-8A aircraft to improve maritime patrol and anti-submarine warfare capabilities, with deliveries starting in 2019.
- AH-64D/E Apache Attack Helicopters: The UK acquired Boeing Apache gunships, later upgrading them to the AH-64E standard.
- C-17 Globemaster III Transport Aircraft: The Royal Air Force acquired and has maintained a fleet of Boeing C-17s for strategic airlift.
- MQ-9 Reaper & Protector Uncrewed Aerial Systems (UAS): The UK operates MQ-9 Reaper drones and is transitioning to the improved MQ-9B Protector (Protector RG Mk 1) to modernize its surveillance and strike capabilities.
- Chinook Helicopters: Ongoing procurement and upgrading of Boeing Chinook heavy-lift helicopters for the Royal Air Force.
- Hellfire and Guided Missiles
These are just some of the more expensive programs of procurement the UK has done with US arms since 1991. I'm not suggesting the UK buys everything it needs from the US, but it has a habit of doing a lot of it.
- F-35 Lightning II (Joint Strike Fighter) Program: The UK is the only Tier 1 partner in this program, procuring F-35B aircraft for the Royal Navy/RAF and considering F-35A variants.
- Trident Nuclear Missile System: A continuation of the 1982 amendment to the Polaris Sales Agreement, the US provides Trident D5 submarine-launched ballistic missiles for the UK’s Vanguard-class and future Dreadnought-class submarines.AUKUS Submarine Combat Systems
- Boeing P-8A Poseidon Maritime Patrol Aircraft: The UK procured nine P-8A aircraft to improve maritime patrol and anti-submarine warfare capabilities, with deliveries starting in 2019.
- AH-64D/E Apache Attack Helicopters: The UK acquired Boeing Apache gunships, later upgrading them to the AH-64E standard.
- C-17 Globemaster III Transport Aircraft: The Royal Air Force acquired and has maintained a fleet of Boeing C-17s for strategic airlift.
- MQ-9 Reaper & Protector Uncrewed Aerial Systems (UAS): The UK operates MQ-9 Reaper drones and is transitioning to the improved MQ-9B Protector (Protector RG Mk 1) to modernize its surveillance and strike capabilities.
- Chinook Helicopters: Ongoing procurement and upgrading of Boeing Chinook heavy-lift helicopters for the Royal Air Force.
- Hellfire and Guided Missiles
These are just some of the more expensive programs of procurement the UK has done with US arms since 1991. I'm not suggesting the UK buys everything it needs from the US, but it has a habit of doing a lot of it.
drstewart(4)
Smart. You very much do not want your nation’s security entangled with an organisation with such marked and explicit political stances.
> You very much do not want your nation’s security entangled with an organisation with such marked and explicit political stances.
Unless you don't really have a choice, like Ukraine. It's like being in an abusive relationship they can't (yet) get out of.
Interesting times with regards to geopolitics.
Unless you don't really have a choice, like Ukraine. It's like being in an abusive relationship they can't (yet) get out of.
Interesting times with regards to geopolitics.
Palantir is active in Ukraine though. I understand the point
of view of Ukraine, mind you, but I fail to see why european
money goes into US mega-corporations. That seems incredibly
stupid and short-sighted. Germany in particular has no real
consistent strategy here. I don't quite like Macron, but a
ton of criticism pertaining to Germay is correct. Quo vadis,
Germany? Make up your mind.
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German intelligence offices snub all software period, the specificity is just attention-grabbing journalism.
> Germany's domestic intelligence agency has reportedly chosen a data analysis system from France, instead of US-based Palantir.
That's the summary from the article, and directly contradicts your point that they're snubbing all software.
That's the summary from the article, and directly contradicts your point that they're snubbing all software.
pdpi is right that the article contradicts it, but there's something to the underlying point.
The GFF lawyer applies the same black box critique to ChapsVision too, right there in the article. The constitutional requirement the courts are pushing toward, show your reasoning, prove it respects rights, is provider agnostic. So the BfV maybe solved the sovereignty problem and not the transparency one.
The GFF lawyer applies the same black box critique to ChapsVision too, right there in the article. The constitutional requirement the courts are pushing toward, show your reasoning, prove it respects rights, is provider agnostic. So the BfV maybe solved the sovereignty problem and not the transparency one.
Palantir doubly so, since it has close ties to the current regime. (No, this is not a political discussion - it's simply about proximity to power, and the interests of said power)
The US-European alliance is on its deathbed.