> You're suggesting interrupting a natural ecosystem that is beyond complex..
No.We did not understand each other. I'm talking about what we will do when we completely destroy this ecosystem. May be it will take about hundred years.
> Suffering is a natural state of existence..
Then why do we worry about animals in zoos? We are part of nature too. Then why do we separate natural and non-natural suffering?
> Nature is continuing to evolve, we're just one point on a long line of changes.
Wild nature has no time for this. Evolution requires millions of years. We will destroy it before anyway. And even if we disappear and let it to evolve farther, then for what? It has produced conscious cpecies already.
> Earth's ecosystem is made up of billions and billions of living things, humans are just one part of it.
Ok. Another point of view: what do you think about the
anthropic principle?
I think you equate humans with animals. But that is absurd, because it is the judgment of man. Animal cannot judge at all.
You separate nature and mankind and then say that it just part of nature. I do'n understand a point.
> I would suggest starting with biology and ecology courses, and some history both geological and human.
I think I studied it at school 30 years ago :). Last years I finished with quantum mechanics and switched to English language (sorry, the hardest subject for me).
> Animals have spent billions of years evolving to live in and handle the world they naturally inhabit.
Then what about meerkats as pets, for example?
> Because animals ARE wild/ARE Nature. You can't remove nature from nature.
Who say this to you? It was God, animals themselves or some voice of Universe? There is no one here, only us. We can do what we think is right. If we see suffering that has no any purpose, we can stop it. What is "purpose" is just our choice too.
> They are also required for life on this planet to continue.
For what? Now we are life on the planet. Nature has evolved and we are the result and next step.
>The ecosystem depends on animals at all levels ..
Yes, it painful for me to look at animals in narrow cages where they slowly go mad whith monotony.
(next - by the Thanos voice) But in general I can't understand the logic. In the wild, the animal has hard life. It will sooner or later be injured, sick, starving, and even eaten alive. But these sufferings are considered as normal because they are "natural". In the well-maintained zoo, the animals eat, sleep, and a bit bored, but this sufferings are considered as unacceptable.
For billions of years, animals suffered for a reason: it was evolution. Now biological evolution is complete because it is displaced by the evolution of civilization. Why do animals have to suffer in wild nature now? It may happen that our descendants will look at humanism towards animals completely different: allowing animals to live in the wild will be considered a crime (like living children unattended).
We have another picture here. Putin is not dictator as Hitler or Saddam Hussein. He just does what most people (not all of them smart) in Russia expect from him. We say that collapse of USSR is a catastrophe not because empire fell apart. It was "catastrophe" because we had the contry where all worked fine (culture, law, technology, aducation ect.) and than it suddenly dissapered complettely and turned to just crowd of criminals and stupid savages on the ruins of USSR. And the country was no longer able to stand up. Democracy did not work and the attempt to restore the authoritarianism did not work either. Nothing works anymore and no one understands why. Yesterday we were a people who can do everything, today we are a people who can not do anything.
Film is fine. I say that someone else's view of your problems always not fair in some sense. This is the reason why the film annoys many Russians. My two uncles worked at Chernoble. One died after. The second one said us without a doubt that he would also go to the active zone if ordered. No soldiers with guns took part in it or ever existed.
My aunt lived at Pripyat and she was pregnant. She lived in our flat in Minsk temporary after evacuation. She's daugther fine today because of the timely evacuation of the city. Ect..
You can believe that if the Russians make a film about the segregation of blacks in America, you too will be mad and say that Americans have never been so evil and stupid (and it will be true partly).
It's true. The totalitarianism of the USSR in 80-th is greatly exaggerated. I was born in 1974 and the first time when I heard the words "KGB" and "GULAG" was about 1989. Вefore that, I did't even realise that I lived in a totalitarian country. Everyone said what they wanted and thought what they wanted at home or whith friends (not publically). Agitation for communism was perceived like today's agitation for a green planet.
My mother was a common worker and she became a member of communist party because (surprise!) she dreamed make the world better (it didn't work very well).
And yes, I was a child. But these are my memories of the USSR, this is a fact.
Do you think I'm lying? Now I am for democracy and even ran away from the police when we were protesting against our dictator Lukashenko.
(with a terrible russian accent) USA can be the opened center of the free world or it can be the closed and most powerful contry in the world. If USA uses its position as the opened center of free world to become closed contry that rules the world, we all will have a hard time.
IMHO quantum mechaninc is too simple and fundamental for such complicated explanations. It only claims that probabilities of some elementary observations determined by complex number vectors wich evolve unitary.
As Wheller said "It from bit". It seems to me that when physicists can to consider observation, collapse and physic phenomenas gennerally as some kind of informatinal processes, then quantumn puzzles about reality will be resolved. I think them not sussessed yet because this is incredible difficult task; not because this wrong way. May be it will be something like informational multiverse. Some principle like multiverse branches selection to keep "information conservation law" (as another manifistation of unitarity) can explain nonlocality ect..
This is a myth based on a misconception about Russians. Stalin and USSR is not same. Hitler was not a friend. Fascism terrified all Russian people. Stalin dreaded Hitler and showed friendship in order to gain time. Hitler attacked Poland and it has no chances. The USSR just return the part of Belarus. Later, the Russians entered Europe as liberators from fascism, but they would never enter as conquerors. And, yes, later this liberation turn to ocupation for same reasons: if USSR was not strong it would have been isolated and destroed.
And the Russians themselves stop all this and left Europe when they finally realized that communism will never work.
Maybe the Russians are not the most pleasant people, but they didn’t do what the Germans did and communism is not fascism.
Soviet leaders had no choice. In 1920 the country was destroyed by civil war. Industry was absent. The people were starving. Society was split. Nobody has experience living without a Tsar. Nations within the country did not like each other. Fascism was arising in Europe, militarism in Asia. Everyone knew that time was short. The Soviet Union had to create powerful industry or be destroyed (and the apocalypse came very soon - in 1941). People did what they should and did not pay attention to stupidity, cruelty and injustice. All of this was secondary problem. Sovet Union managed to force Hitler to get stuck and retreat before Normandy landings. If it could not, Hitler would receive all resources of Russia and then the apocalypse would come to Great Britain and the USA...
"Great Soviet Encyclopedia" was translated and published into English. These books contain a very detailed information about "Tuvinian Autonomous Soviet Socialist Republic". Finding information before Internet was difficult but not impossible.
"I" is most valuable thing I have and only thing undoubtedly existing. And this thing not exists at all if I believe thats the world exists independently of me. This is not about natural sciences, it's a philosophical paradox that will never be solved.
No.We did not understand each other. I'm talking about what we will do when we completely destroy this ecosystem. May be it will take about hundred years.
> Suffering is a natural state of existence..
Then why do we worry about animals in zoos? We are part of nature too. Then why do we separate natural and non-natural suffering?
> Nature is continuing to evolve, we're just one point on a long line of changes.
Wild nature has no time for this. Evolution requires millions of years. We will destroy it before anyway. And even if we disappear and let it to evolve farther, then for what? It has produced conscious cpecies already.
> Earth's ecosystem is made up of billions and billions of living things, humans are just one part of it.
Ok. Another point of view: what do you think about the anthropic principle?
I think you equate humans with animals. But that is absurd, because it is the judgment of man. Animal cannot judge at all. You separate nature and mankind and then say that it just part of nature. I do'n understand a point.
> I would suggest starting with biology and ecology courses, and some history both geological and human.
I think I studied it at school 30 years ago :). Last years I finished with quantum mechanics and switched to English language (sorry, the hardest subject for me).