How to break into 100k+ Euro salary in EU/EEA?

61 pointsby eskimo879 tahun yang lalu56 comments

I have total 7 years of dev+DS experience and have ambitions to break into 100k+ salary range in coming year. Should I must move into management role for this?

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simonebrunozzi9 tahun yang lalu

Sorry mate, but if you'd like some good advice from this crowd, you should spend more than 20 seconds to describe your issue and the type of suggestions you are looking for. That's probably lesson #1 in how to get to a 100k salary :)

You don't mention: where you are located; what current job you have; what's DS; what kind of dev work have you done.

Also, any github / stack overflow link, so that we can get a better sense of your skills?

pierre_n9 tahun yang lalu

I don’t think a cursory glance at his/her stack overflow / github profile would be a good indicator of his overall skillset eyeroll

polote9 tahun yang lalu

I think DS is datascientist

eskimo879 tahun yang lalu

I'm a non European expat based in Dublin but willing to relocate anywhere in EU. DS- Data Scientist, niche in the area of IR/NLP/ML with MS in AI.

neoham9 tahun yang lalu

Plenty of contracting roles paying £500-600/day in London, a few even up to £800 (and 'Head of'/CTO level consulting gigs hovering around £1k/day although very rare as most of those positions are perm).

I know some rather mediocre developers on £550 day rates.

For perm positions, such roles aren't too uncommon for senior/lead level devs in finance, tech consultancy (doing SAP/Salesforce work at some place like Accenture, etc) or the top tech firms - though you'll want to avoid the underpaying Shoreditch start-ups.

Does mean living in London though, where a £100k salary still barely gets you a mortgage for a 3 bed semi. Plus, £100k will soon be worth about €27 but right now it's about 1:1.

cyberpunk09 tahun yang lalu

$500 a day programming?

vinceve9 tahun yang lalu

Belgian here. Day rates of 400+ euro are the normal rate over here for java and php developers (even to the lower side) for freelancers. But I should mention that you lose about 55% on taxes of it.

Yoric9 tahun yang lalu

I suspect that the only companies with this kind of salary in the EU are Palantir and trading companies (e.g. Jane Street).

So, it kind of depends on what you're willing to do for money. I'm personally not quite enthusiastic at the idea of working for either.

mattmanser9 tahun yang lalu

Nonsense, most capital cities in the EU have contracting rates at €500+ per day.

nimchimpsky9 tahun yang lalu

mschuster919 tahun yang lalu

That level of salary... well I'd say you gotta sell your soul and head off into banking or into a role as consultant somewhere, but no way for ordinary devs, even in Germany. For what it's worth I know directors of 300+ employee companies that don't crack the 100k.

Alternatively try to land a remote job for some Valley-based or other VC backed company, but beware of the tax and legal implications of doing so.

cporios9 tahun yang lalu

Google pays 120k+ for junior developers in Switzerland.

mschuster919 tahun yang lalu

Switzerland is not in the EU as OP asked, also you spend a large chunk of the gains over Germany on higher living cost (rent, but also basic stuff like cheeseburgers is up to 3x the price of Germany). Oh and they have both a strict immigration regime as well as a huge right-wing problem, which might be another factor against moving to Switzerland for work.

literallycancer9 tahun yang lalu

You can pretty much just come to Switzerland and work if you are an EU citizen, so might as well be.

Zurich has probably the best ratio of earning potential to COL in the world (for the average person, not necessarily for software engineers). If you are cheap/thrifty you can even go do your shopping in a neighboring country, since Switzerland is so small.

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eskimo879 tahun yang lalu

I am Non EEA citizen :( true that Swiss is not immigration friendly.. difficult to find jobs

tormeh9 tahun yang lalu

>Switzerland is not in the EU as OP asked

OP asked about EU/EEA. Switzerland is not in the EU but it could just as well be in EEA. Only reason it's not is because it has to be neutral on paper for historical reasons. De facto Switzerland is clearly EEA-like.

kemerover9 tahun yang lalu

>a huge right-wing problem

Or a right-wing solution if you like direct democracy and societal cohesion.

duedl0r9 tahun yang lalu

haha. very well informed..

mschuster919 tahun yang lalu

used to date a girl whose father worked during the week in CH and was home at the weekends ;)

georgiecasey9 tahun yang lalu

> You call it "alt-left", I proudly call it "Antifa".

interesting line to put in your YC about

mschuster919 tahun yang lalu

Yeah, put it in some months ago, when the term "alt-left" started popping up here, I believe it was a pretty flameful thread about the limits of free speech and what's acceptable to do against Nazis...

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osrec9 tahun yang lalu

Not sure about a salary, but contracting can comfortably let you earn that based on a daily rate. I've even seen Qlikview or Excel roles at banks in the UK that pay 600+ per day! The trick is to have a niche - look at what's hot in contracting job ads and read up about it. Get confident with the tech/software they ask for and go for a few interviews. Getting a contracting role is generally a lot easier than a permanent position, and in my experience, a contracting job can be just as secure as a perm job.

mschuster919 tahun yang lalu

Problem with contracting jobs is, depending on OPs country, they can be risky: health care costs can kill you at that salary rate (eg in Germany with its dual class health care system), contractors may not be eligible for ordinary pensions (and you might be tempted to skip over saving for retirement...) and when you're sick for more than a week (or, can't find a new project soon enough) it can burn through your entire savings sooner than you'd like.

I wouldn't do contracting again without serious money (aka F-U-Money levels, or a full year worth of expenses) in the bank.

toyg9 tahun yang lalu

In the UK, contractors are considered high-risk for mortgages and car loans. Even if you manage to lock-in a mortgage before starting your contractor career, it will make things difficult should you wish to remortgage (which is almost mandatory every 3 to 5 years, these days...).

mschuster919 tahun yang lalu

Oh yeah, totally forgot about that one... and in case you end up broke/in debt with contracting, your personal credit score will be screwed up, too.

justinholmes9 tahun yang lalu

You can get a contractor mortgage based on your day rate in UK.

jzwinck9 tahun yang lalu

You've asked how you can get 100k EUR per year. But you have not mentioned anything about the value you can offer for this money (unless DS means something there, I have no idea what DS is).

In many companies, low-level managers don't earn that much (especially green ones, which it sounds like you would be during the time frame you specified). Companies wouldn't want to distract all their employees by offering a huge pay bump just to switch fields.

When you ask for money you should first talk about what you can contribute. Which is?

toyg9 tahun yang lalu

> unless DS means something there

I suspect it's data-scientist, which is a pretty hot field/buzzword these days.

cjbprime9 tahun yang lalu

Working remotely for a Silicon Valley company seems the easiest way.

toyg9 tahun yang lalu

Work remotely for silicon valley companies.

jackgolding9 tahun yang lalu

Nearly every remote job I've seen in US citizens only or US timezone only

xlr9 tahun yang lalu

Yep, but you need a very specialized skill set that SV can't find locally.

TimReynolds9 tahun yang lalu

The time you consider the tax implications you’ve got to be on a very good US wage to break the 100k level.

repsilat9 tahun yang lalu

100k in your pocket sure, but 100k gross? That's 120k USD, not sky high for the US. And don't taxes net out so you only end up paying the higher of the two rates in most places? In Europe total income taxes are likely higher than US federal income taxes just about everywhere.

hobo_mark9 tahun yang lalu

If the salary is all you are after and do not mind the culture shock, did you look into relocating to Switzerland?

eskimo879 tahun yang lalu

I've heard that a lot.. but a) Swiss living cost is expensive b) Difficult to find job as non European

HatchedLake7219 tahun yang lalu

Look at contracting and London. There’s tons of £500+ per day rates dev contracts around. https://www.jobserve.com/gb/en/JobSearch.aspx?shid=E1AD4AE0F...

eskimo879 tahun yang lalu

Thanks.. but not an EU/GB citizen.. won't be possible contracting in U.K.

polote9 tahun yang lalu

As others said, it is very difficult, a few devs earn that in EU.

Options are :

- CTO but not early stage

- freelancing : 7 years of experience could be more than 500€ per day. And if you are in a niche, could be much more

- Remote for an american company

- I know some startups in Paris which hire at more than 100k euro but you need to be outstanding.

BjoernKW9 tahun yang lalu

Though technically not salary but revenue freelancing or rather self-employed consulting is a realistic option for reaching that kind of annual income.

One piece of advice though: Don't do it for the money (or the money alone, at least). If you want to run a sustainable consulting practice you have to be passionate about what you're doing and constantly deliver high-quality work.

Confidently marketing your services is essential. If you're good at solving important problems for your customers that should be reflected in your rates. Speaking of which, if possible adopt value-based pricing instead of time-based, i.e. daily or hourly, rates.

smegel9 tahun yang lalu

> Should I must move into management role for this?

Do you want to be a manager? If not, you will be trading a life of misery for a modest pay raise.

cloudhead9 tahun yang lalu

I know several engineers making over 100k in the EU. You just have to be really good at what you do and pick a company which pays well.

eskimo879 tahun yang lalu

What companies would that be? If you could name few..

jlengrand9 tahun yang lalu

I know banking offers that kind of salary, in the Netherlands. But it's the higher tier of the bucket though.

eskimo879 tahun yang lalu

ING/ABN? What kind of roles though? Sr/lead/principal or management role?

jlengrand9 tahun yang lalu

Both, actually for ING. Though, again, this is achievable for the top tier. Question of scale, more than position.

pkrefta9 tahun yang lalu

Migrate to Switzerland :) Salaries there are much higher than rest of the Europe but living there is more expensive too.

sawmurai9 tahun yang lalu

True but you pay basicaly no taxes (especially compared to Germany)

flotillo9 tahun yang lalu

> So what makes you feel you deserve to earn more than 99.93% of the world's population?

Looks like you hit a nerve (perhaps a somewhat guilty one) with some users.

But I was wondering similar - why does the OP feel the need to earn this much money? I suspect psychological rather than financial insecurity, given that they're already likely to be a relatively high earner.

danm079 tahun yang lalu

Management makes less than devs in my experience.

BLanen9 tahun yang lalu

Switzerland.

ris9 tahun yang lalu

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