Argentina legalises abortion in landmark moment for women's rights(theguardian.com)

26 pointsby williamsharris6 tahun yang lalu19 comments

Argentina legalises abortion in landmark moment for women's rights

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/dec/30/argentina-legalises-abortion-in-landmark-moment-for-womens-rights

24 comments

slumdev6 tahun yang lalu

> Karina Marolla, a 49-year-old opponent of the law, said: “What was voted for today is the death penalty for the most innocent. Today in Argentina there’s no law giving the death penalty to rapists or murderers. So we’re feeling sad, to put it lightly.”

It's buried toward the bottom, but I'm genuinely surprised that opponents got the appearance of a fair shake in The Guardian.

mromanuk6 tahun yang lalu

I'm really happy for all Argentinean women, including my two little daughters, this law makes Argentina a freer (better) country.

cosmiccatnap6 tahun yang lalu

vivab0rg6 tahun yang lalu

This is just an oportunistic political move ahead of next year's elections. The government doesn't really care about abortion. Source: Argentinian living in Argentina.

_Microft6 tahun yang lalu

If the outcome is net-positive, does it matter because of which reasons it was achieved?

kwanbix6 tahun yang lalu

Well, it depends how do you measure positivizes. The babies that are going to be aborted, for sure don't see it as positive.

_Microft6 tahun yang lalu

"Net positive" means here that despite negative effects, the end result is still preferable to other outcomes.

(While not quite applicable here,) the easiest example to explain this is when the pregnancy threatens the lives of both mother-to-be and unborn child. An abortion will end the life of the child but the mother gets to live. In the other case both mother and child would die. So an abortion would be "net positive" because only the child dies and not both of them.

kwanbix6 tahun yang lalu

But that was already legal in Argentina. Here what they voted is abortion because I want it and that´s it.

_Microft6 tahun yang lalu

The example was meant to make clear what "net positive" means. Do you actually believe that women get abortions because "they want them"? That there are no real reasons? Not because untimely offspring might throw them and their family into poverty again? Not because the partner might be unsuitable for raising children and they would be left on their own with them in short order?

slumdev6 tahun yang lalu

This is strawmanning.

No one who advocates for life believes that there aren't any mitigating circumstances.

People who advocate for life believe that there aren't any mitigating circumstances that justify murder.

iridium_core6 tahun yang lalu

Still a lot of countries which are not blue:

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/a/a5/Abortion...

Which are also countries where overpopulation and destitution are most prevalent. Improving access to education, contraception, and abortion for women worldwide should be our #1 foreign aid objective. We should target this in place of food aid.

slumdev6 tahun yang lalu

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