Majority of Guards at Covid-Wracked California Prisons Refusing Vaccination(timesofsandiego.com)

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Majority of Guards at Covid-Wracked California Prisons Refusing Vaccination

https://timesofsandiego.com/politics/2021/05/15/majority-of-guards-at-covid-wracked-california-prisons-refusing-vaccination/

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jostmey5 tahun yang lalu

These are case stories about why people don't want to take the COVID vaccine. I've read the United States will never reach heard immunity, which is believable to me. I can't wait for the vaccine to become available to kids so I won't have to worry about other people avoiding the COVID vaccine.

People fear vaccines but don't understand that a virus does a lot more damage to your cells than a vaccine ever could

oogabooga1235 tahun yang lalu

Ive heard the “there’s chips in the tetanus shots they give in prison” conspiracy theories from more than one person working closely with prison staff, I wonder if this is a curious case of conspiracy theory “subculture”

captainmuon5 tahun yang lalu

The prison staff has this theory? I wonder then if the cause is that they are so used to treating the inmates inhumanely, that they assume secretly putting "chips" in vaccines is a totally normal thing that the someone would do to prisoners.

oogabooga1235 tahun yang lalu

Well one of them insisted he was told this was the reason for a change in suppliers so maybe it goes all the way to the top haha

p1mrx5 tahun yang lalu

I wonder how much of this is just a misunderstanding of what vaccines do. They're probably perceived to be medicine for the weak, when in reality they train you to become stronger.

Shouldn't it make sense for the sort of person who stockpiles guns to also stockpile immunity?

aksss5 tahun yang lalu

And masks, gasoline, lumber and toilet paper. ;)

stevefrench935 tahun yang lalu

How do they train you to become stronger?

p1mrx5 tahun yang lalu

The vaccines train your immune system to kill the virus more effectively.

stevefrench935 tahun yang lalu

Their flawed logic is likely as follows:

1. I have consistent prolonged exposure to inmates in my day to day so there is a high probability of previous SARS-CoV-2 infection.

2. While infected, my immune system produced similar or identical antibodies to the vaccine.

3. The potential benefits of the vaccine no longer outweigh the potential risks.

Something must be done to educate these guards.

p1mrx5 tahun yang lalu

Where is the logical flaw? I think this argument would be pretty reasonable if the potential risks of the vaccine were orders of magnitude greater.

stevefrench935 tahun yang lalu

The GLARING logical flaw is that vaccines are safe and effective.

SamReidHughes5 tahun yang lalu

But they're not 100% safe, and if the guards already have immunity, then they're not effective.

In fact, I may be reading too much into your dropping of the article on "vaccines" but there is a huge flaw in your logic. General facts about "vaccines" don't say something about a particular vaccine, especially a new one. But my apologies if you meant to write "these vaccines."

p1mrx5 tahun yang lalu

That's not a logical flaw; the logic is just based on an incorrect axiom.

aksss5 tahun yang lalu

Kudos for trying to “steelman” their argument rather than strawman it.

As devil’s advocate, we have no long term data about the vaccine, and people with it are still getting COVID, and may need another booster for variants. Is their prolonged and survived exposure to COVID really less effective than introducing the vaccine into their system? The risk profiles are different, but is the vaccine more effective than the antibodies they already have produced naturally? I don’t know answer, just curious rambling.