Going back to the old (pre-X) Twitter iOS app(blog.gingerbeardman.com)
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Going back to the old (pre-X) Twitter iOS app
https://blog.gingerbeardman.com/2023/08/17/going-back-to-the-old-pre-x-twitter-ios-app/
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With every haphazard decision we're getting a very public experiment demonstrating the value of "giving people what they want" vs "everything else". It's astonishing how resilient the network effects behind the product in this case are against sabotage. Good lesson in startups there. You just need to laser focus on creating value for the customer – everything else doesn't matter as much as you think it does? Maybe even by power of 10 factors?
I’m not so sure. It probably matters a whole lot more when you’re starting and nobody is using your app. Twitter would likely had a much harder time catching up if was called “X” and looked as ugly as now..
And even for a mature product it will probably cost quite a bit of money/users longterm
And even for a mature product it will probably cost quite a bit of money/users longterm
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It looks and feels like a template where someone forgot to pass in the variables.
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It looks and feels like a template where someone forgot to pass in the variables.
Or on embedded tweets the X looks like a close button
I made this mistake. Realized it was stupid UX. Then I did it again 5 minutes later.
“Oops our ambiguous UI leads to extra ad impressions”
I’m sure they’ll get right on fixing that!
I’m sure they’ll get right on fixing that!
Or adult content
> It has recontextualised every other redesign I can remember disdaining in my life.
But does it go so far that it even excuses Papyrus? :P
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jVhlJNJopOQ
But does it go so far that it even excuses Papyrus? :P
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jVhlJNJopOQ
Surely the intent is to replace the verb: “Hey, that’s cool - I’ll X it.”
Never mind that it already has a rather different meaning.
Never mind that it already has a rather different meaning.
That's one way to see the positive in all of this :)
I can’t believe anyone puts any effort into “bring back X” mods.
The change is done, they’re not going back, any “reversal” you may make is utterly temporary and depends on the lone soul who wrote it in an afternoon and forgot about it.
Anyone having lived online for 5 years knows this: there’s only going forward, Google Reader isn’t coming back.
The change is done, they’re not going back, any “reversal” you may make is utterly temporary and depends on the lone soul who wrote it in an afternoon and forgot about it.
Anyone having lived online for 5 years knows this: there’s only going forward, Google Reader isn’t coming back.
It may be temporary, but if bringing back X improves the quality of someone's life, more power to them. We're stuck with the downsides of continuous delivery; having a consistent UI for just a bit longer can be a cognitive relief.
When Pixel phones switched from navigation buttons to gestures I tried them and hated the experience and reverted. Eventually I got forced over to gestures and still hate them so delaying gave me a bit more bandwidth to allocate from stupid UI changes to things I actually care about.
When Pixel phones switched from navigation buttons to gestures I tried them and hated the experience and reverted. Eventually I got forced over to gestures and still hate them so delaying gave me a bit more bandwidth to allocate from stupid UI changes to things I actually care about.
For offline things, I agree - the people keeping older versions of Photoshop working, for example, are getting plenty of value and saving money.
For a network service, however, I think this is worse than doing nothing: continuing to use Twitter at this point is not neutral but actually supporting and rewarding Musk for every decision he’s made, and your use of a social network encourages people you know to stay there. That means that you’re not only not finding a long-term replacement, you’re making it harder for one to exist.
For a network service, however, I think this is worse than doing nothing: continuing to use Twitter at this point is not neutral but actually supporting and rewarding Musk for every decision he’s made, and your use of a social network encourages people you know to stay there. That means that you’re not only not finding a long-term replacement, you’re making it harder for one to exist.
I'm on a Pixel and can still choose to have the nav buttons on the bottom. It's under Accessibility > System controls > System navigation.
If you can't believe this, there are a lot of other things that are truly going to rock your world. Enjoy the ride.
Everything is utterly temporary; all the servers will be turned off eventually (vale Google Reader). Until that happens, we can make things better.
On desktop, the extension "Control Panel for Twitter" will let you "Replace X branding changes", it's great.
https://jbscript.dev/control-panel-for-twitter
You can also hide the idiots with the BlueLiteBlocker extension
https://github.com/BlueLiteBlocker/BlueLiteBlocker
Makes Twitter a bit more like it was before idiot in chief took over
https://jbscript.dev/control-panel-for-twitter
You can also hide the idiots with the BlueLiteBlocker extension
https://github.com/BlueLiteBlocker/BlueLiteBlocker
Makes Twitter a bit more like it was before idiot in chief took over
> On desktop
And on mobile! (some assembly required)
Control Panel for Twitter also has an option to hide Blue replies in threads, but it's off by default as you can end up with hundreds of replies "visible" (as far as Twitter's windowing implementation is concerned) on the screen, which tanks performance.
Tweet threads seem to top out at just over 200 replies, so boosted replies make looking at most "popular" tweets pointless, like anything from ${siteOwner} with thousands of people trying to engagement farm for Blue Bucks in the replies. You're lucky if more than 5 non-Blue replies are left standing.
And on mobile! (some assembly required)
Control Panel for Twitter also has an option to hide Blue replies in threads, but it's off by default as you can end up with hundreds of replies "visible" (as far as Twitter's windowing implementation is concerned) on the screen, which tanks performance.
Tweet threads seem to top out at just over 200 replies, so boosted replies make looking at most "popular" tweets pointless, like anything from ${siteOwner} with thousands of people trying to engagement farm for Blue Bucks in the replies. You're lucky if more than 5 non-Blue replies are left standing.
Nice guide! I wish there
was something like this for apps that have been completely erased from AppStore (not even available under the purchased history). Afaik apart from jailbreaking there is no way to install those.
If you can get the app IPA, I believe you can still codesign it yourself and dump it on your iOS device without jailbreaking.
https://rderik.com/blog/resigning-ios-apps-from-an-ipa-for-m...
https://rderik.com/blog/resigning-ios-apps-from-an-ipa-for-m...
If you can find the .ipa, you can sideload them, no developer account or anything needed.
The downsides are that you can only have 3 sideloaded apps at a time, and you have to reinstall them every 7 days.
https://sideloadly.io/ automates the process and can automatically reinstall them for you - I use it to keep the Pebble app installed and my watch synced.
The downsides are that you can only have 3 sideloaded apps at a time, and you have to reinstall them every 7 days.
https://sideloadly.io/ automates the process and can automatically reinstall them for you - I use it to keep the Pebble app installed and my watch synced.
That honestly seems almost worse than just not letting you do it. Astonishing that people put up with Apple.
I used iMazing (on macOS) to backup and restore iOS apps.
An app that I use daily got aquihired and was removed from the store. The company who made the app warned us in advance they were shutting down, so many of us were able to make a backup.
An app that I use daily got aquihired and was removed from the store. The company who made the app warned us in advance they were shutting down, so many of us were able to make a backup.
Yeah I have an app I like that has been deleted from the google play store. It's on an old phone and I want to figure out how to get it on a newer phone.
You can probably use adb to get the APK of it.
Or check trusted sites like apkmirror to see if they just have one.
Or check trusted sites like apkmirror to see if they just have one.
For Android there are sources for old APKs and you can verify fairly easily that they have not been tampered with. Once installed, you can disable auto-update for that app. I have done this with the Twitter app on my Android tablet that I mostly use for ebook reading.
if you know the info I might be able to get it
How long will this realistically continue to work? APIs change all the time. The second there is a backwards incompatible change pushed out to their servers (which could happen tomorrow) you are out of luck. There is also possibly code out there already which says to only allow older clients up to a certain minimum date or version.
Of course. But the "old" version I've installed is still very recent, July 2023, and I'd assume there are a ton of devices out there still running that build and even older builds with no way to update. They could cut old versions off, but they would be cutting off a lot of users.
When I did this in 2016 for eBay and Google Inbox I got a year out of each.
For this Twitter app, I'll enjoy it whilst it lasts. I'm a glass half full kind guy.
When I did this in 2016 for eBay and Google Inbox I got a year out of each.
For this Twitter app, I'll enjoy it whilst it lasts. I'm a glass half full kind guy.
> They could cut old versions off, but they would be cutting off a lot of users.
Modern Twitter doesn't seem to particularly care about this factor.
Modern Twitter doesn't seem to particularly care about this factor.
When it comes to Twitter there's an added risk of getting your account banned because of it.
Nice bit of FUD there.
Not exactly FUD given Elon's history of yeeting anyone who annoys him.
While I agree that Elon is petty enough to ban when slighted, it seems to me that simply running an older client version has too many other probable reasons to be clearly interpreted as personal insult.
My point is new Twitter/X routinely bans people for no actual rule breaking what so ever. The inmates are running the asylum.
> My point is new Twitter/X routinely bans people for no actual rule breaking what so ever
Twitter before Musk didn't routinely ban people for no actual rule breaking?
Twitter before Musk didn't routinely ban people for no actual rule breaking?
No, they really didn’t.
One could reasonably argue that in some cases they were stretching the meaning of a rule, but they didn’t just arbitrarily ban users.
Heck, if there was one thing the Twitter Files actually showed it was the massive amount of debate and discussion and fretting that the powers at Twitter spent over most of their decisions.
One could reasonably argue that in some cases they were stretching the meaning of a rule, but they didn’t just arbitrarily ban users.
Heck, if there was one thing the Twitter Files actually showed it was the massive amount of debate and discussion and fretting that the powers at Twitter spent over most of their decisions.
Which is a fine and true point, but still distinct from Twitx banning people for no reason, chaotically.
Nothing FUD about pointing out Musk's consistently petty nature
Twitter had always been notorious for banning high profile users, and turning total blind eyes on sock puppets and ban evasions(justified because bans make no sense in the first place, and probably because support have no time to reinstate everyone). That hasn't changed.
"APIs change all the time."
What changes more frequently: (a) APIs or (b) public web pages. How could we test the correctness of the answer.
(I know which answer I would choose, based on experience, but I'm curious what others think.)
What changes more frequently: (a) APIs or (b) public web pages. How could we test the correctness of the answer.
(I know which answer I would choose, based on experience, but I'm curious what others think.)
I still just use Firefox browser on Android instead of apps, for Twitter, YouTube, Reddit ...
That reminds me - there used to be Twitter Lite on Android which was a simple wrapper for the mobile website.
Interesting that this is possible.
On a tangent: Is there anything on betting markets on if "X" will ever change back to "Twitter"? I could see Musk getting bored or deciding to focus on his other companies, and after a re-sale, reverting to Twitter.
On a tangent: Is there anything on betting markets on if "X" will ever change back to "Twitter"? I could see Musk getting bored or deciding to focus on his other companies, and after a re-sale, reverting to Twitter.
Those prop markets r mostly just marketing, I mean the limits r measly (like $100-$200 max). However there’s probably some individuals taking those type of bets on the European exchanges, but I’m not too familiar with them
I updated the blog post with the version number of the last version before Spaces was introduced. The experience without Spaces, or any of the Ecks or other nonsense is almost Zen-like in comparison to current.
Why bother? The old apps are going to stop working at some point (and soon, if the recent API breakage continues). If you don’t like what Twitter has become, stop using it.
"Why bother living if you're eventually going to die?"
I'm sure you can now see the problem with your argument.
My issue was only with the app not the service. I'm using a version of the app from March 2021 (pre-Spaces, pre-takeover) and it's peak Twitter user experience IMHO. Stories of the API deprecation have been greatly exaggerated.
I'm sure you can now see the problem with your argument.
My issue was only with the app not the service. I'm using a version of the app from March 2021 (pre-Spaces, pre-takeover) and it's peak Twitter user experience IMHO. Stories of the API deprecation have been greatly exaggerated.
> "Why bother living if you're eventually going to die?"
> I'm sure you can now see the problem with your argument.
If using Twitter is equivalent to living in your analogy, then I'll choose death, thanks.
I think a more apt analogy would be:
"Why bother maintaining a relationship with an abusive lover if they're just going to tire of you and drop you to the curb?"
I'm sure you can now see the problem with your argument.
> I'm sure you can now see the problem with your argument.
If using Twitter is equivalent to living in your analogy, then I'll choose death, thanks.
I think a more apt analogy would be:
"Why bother maintaining a relationship with an abusive lover if they're just going to tire of you and drop you to the curb?"
I'm sure you can now see the problem with your argument.
This is a fools errand like building a Hackintosh in the age of M silicon.
Accept it and move along.
You do realise that this is effectively saying to people "what's wrong with you, just spend a few thousand £/$/€ and stop wasting time?"
Not everyone has £1000-£2000 lying around doing nothing. However, a lot of geeks have old PC hardware lying around doing nothing. One of the details I liked about The Big Bang Theory was the multiple half-cannibalised PC carcasses in the background of every shot.
Not everyone has £1000-£2000 lying around doing nothing. However, a lot of geeks have old PC hardware lying around doing nothing. One of the details I liked about The Big Bang Theory was the multiple half-cannibalised PC carcasses in the background of every shot.
Firstly donate unused PC's to a worthy cause - there are several folks in need of them than hoarding it - some people want things to work out of the box and OS upgrades to be seamless and don't want to tinker.
A Mac Mini is hardly breaking the bank.
A Mac Mini is hardly breaking the bank.
Hard disagree with toys poor analogy. I don't have any stats but I'm sure a huge percentage of Twitter users are not using the latest version. I'm just choosing to to run a particular version. Anybody on iOS 14 and earlier will also be running this version.
That’s an interesting guide for getting old apps. But I don’t understand the obsession with going back to old Twitter. Twitter is not the app. It’s the live service. It’s what it is. Yes it sucks. Embrace it. If it sucks then stop using it. If it doesn’t suck enough keep using it and voice your opinions. But we can’t turn back time. You get to pick between two broken apps. Old and broken or new and broken. The old Twitter is gone.
This is still interesting, because its way around new X anti-features.
You can't really bypass them on web or in the new app. But Twitter has no choice but to support old iOS/Android apps, where, for whatever reason, auto update is not working, lest they lose thousands of users.
My mother broke auto update on her old Galaxy. I dont even know how she did it, as it should be working, but it is not, and she won't let anyone mess with it too much...
You can't really bypass them on web or in the new app. But Twitter has no choice but to support old iOS/Android apps, where, for whatever reason, auto update is not working, lest they lose thousands of users.
My mother broke auto update on her old Galaxy. I dont even know how she did it, as it should be working, but it is not, and she won't let anyone mess with it too much...
Exactly, they have to support old versions, and this is a very recent old version from last month.
On Android, it's possible: you can install an old version and then turn off auto-updates at a per-app level.
On Android, it's possible: you can install an old version and then turn off auto-updates at a per-app level.
Yeah but it seems to be broken globally, even though its enabled in Google Play. It doesn't seem to be disabled per app.
And she likes it that way anyway, and she gets upset when UIs change and such.
And she likes it that way anyway, and she gets upset when UIs change and such.
It can also be upsetting to have your accounts hacked and your contact list used to find targets to socially engineer for money by impersonating you. It’s a jungle out there.
Oh, I know...
At it's most basic I have muscle memory and habit involving the old icon, interface labels, and so on. That's enough for me to want to do this.
I'm only talking about the app here, of course, though you seem to be conflating the app and the platform/service.
Personally, I don't see the types of problematic content that have apparently increased on the platform, never have. I just use it how I've always used it and I'm happy enough. YMMV
I'm only talking about the app here, of course, though you seem to be conflating the app and the platform/service.
Personally, I don't see the types of problematic content that have apparently increased on the platform, never have. I just use it how I've always used it and I'm happy enough. YMMV
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I think it's time to say goodbye to Twitter. Without updates, the service is dead for me.
Fair enough, I can't blame you.
But for me, I'm enjoying my communities as much as ever. Data point that my friends in Japan are oblivious to all the stuff people in the USA/Europe are getting worked up about. I don't really think about it, I just carry on using the service for my interests and needs.
But for me, I'm enjoying my communities as much as ever. Data point that my friends in Japan are oblivious to all the stuff people in the USA/Europe are getting worked up about. I don't really think about it, I just carry on using the service for my interests and needs.
You're saying you're OK with hanging out in a virtual Nazi bar just because the Nazis can't speak Japanese and you don't personally see the swastikas.
Let's see if we can reign in your ignorance a bit. This man owns the service 100% and when you use it, you're putting money directly in his pocket (or helping to fill in the debt hole).
https://theconversation.com/antisemitism-on-twitter-has-more...
https://news.yahoo.com/gets-better-steps-back-twitter-222417...
https://www.cnn.com/2023/07/31/tech/twitter-lawsuit-hate-spe...
Are you really OK with this?
Let's see if we can reign in your ignorance a bit. This man owns the service 100% and when you use it, you're putting money directly in his pocket (or helping to fill in the debt hole).
https://theconversation.com/antisemitism-on-twitter-has-more...
https://news.yahoo.com/gets-better-steps-back-twitter-222417...
https://www.cnn.com/2023/07/31/tech/twitter-lawsuit-hate-spe...
Are you really OK with this?
I don't really care the same way I don't care about the existance of certain websites or subreddits that I disagree with.
I rather deal with moderation by myself by choosing who to follow, than rely on Twitter moderators and their moral compass to decide what's OK and what's not.
I rather deal with moderation by myself by choosing who to follow, than rely on Twitter moderators and their moral compass to decide what's OK and what's not.
I'm not OK with it, of course. Those things are also present IRL, but I still venture outside for a walk. It's all a matter of perspective.
What if those Nazis didn't only speak your language, but were almost perfectly transparent? A bit like that scene from Spirited Away, except we seem to be in control of the consequences?
The fact that there is almost no point of contact for average Japanese person in life to anything not Japanese, still in this day and age, seems too often overlooked. Here, everything from baby formula to grad school textbooks on nuclear physics are available from local producers or at least in thoroughly rewritten versions. Average scores for TOEIC Reading/Listening test[1] for University students in English language major is ~600/990. 450/990 for CS students btw(!!) and both without doubt heavy uses of sophisticated test-taking techniques.
And it's the same even for Twitter: Everyone you follow speaks solely in your language, and has zero contacts with anyone who don't. Anyone who aren't speaking your language always seem total Martian and the languages don't even translate. Maybe you would come across couple quote-tweets per day from influencer types explaining peculiar foreign contents. You'd know that the domain name of the service is registered to an address in San Francisco, CA, USA, which is supposedly an area on a land, and that'll be the whole global experience you would passively receive on Twitter as a Japanese user.
1: which is apparently almost like a sanity check for a 5th grader, like the hardest challenge is finding the correct store hours on a flyer printed on the test book by multiple choices, literally, but the questions are also written in the same language as the flyer, so...
The fact that there is almost no point of contact for average Japanese person in life to anything not Japanese, still in this day and age, seems too often overlooked. Here, everything from baby formula to grad school textbooks on nuclear physics are available from local producers or at least in thoroughly rewritten versions. Average scores for TOEIC Reading/Listening test[1] for University students in English language major is ~600/990. 450/990 for CS students btw(!!) and both without doubt heavy uses of sophisticated test-taking techniques.
And it's the same even for Twitter: Everyone you follow speaks solely in your language, and has zero contacts with anyone who don't. Anyone who aren't speaking your language always seem total Martian and the languages don't even translate. Maybe you would come across couple quote-tweets per day from influencer types explaining peculiar foreign contents. You'd know that the domain name of the service is registered to an address in San Francisco, CA, USA, which is supposedly an area on a land, and that'll be the whole global experience you would passively receive on Twitter as a Japanese user.
1: which is apparently almost like a sanity check for a 5th grader, like the hardest challenge is finding the correct store hours on a flyer printed on the test book by multiple choices, literally, but the questions are also written in the same language as the flyer, so...
> You're saying you're OK with hanging out in a virtual Nazi bar just because the Nazis can't speak Japanese and you don't personally see the swastikas.
Ah yes, the token Nazi argument. Twitter is now the official Nazi hangout?
You're being manipulated. None of your sources provide any evidence of there being more "hate" speech on Twitter now than before. None of your sources provide any evidence there's more "hate" speech on Twitter than Facebook, Mastodon, Reddit, your favorite video game, etc. None of your sources even provide specific examples of what this "hate" speech actually was.
It's a big "trust us" thing. You're being manipulated.
Ah yes, the token Nazi argument. Twitter is now the official Nazi hangout?
You're being manipulated. None of your sources provide any evidence of there being more "hate" speech on Twitter now than before. None of your sources provide any evidence there's more "hate" speech on Twitter than Facebook, Mastodon, Reddit, your favorite video game, etc. None of your sources even provide specific examples of what this "hate" speech actually was.
It's a big "trust us" thing. You're being manipulated.
Classic cancel culture mindset.
It’s getting more updates than ever?
I think that's their issue with it.
“Without updates, the service is dead for me.”
hmm, they have an odd way of saying that then.
hmm, they have an odd way of saying that then.
I think that means "without updates to Twitter" (instead of "updates to X"). Because, if you keep the old Twitter app with the bird logo, you can't update the app while keeping "Twitter" (the brand and aesthetic).
But seriously, who gives a. This kind of thing just strikes me as fake outrage. Use X, it’s fine, or not. And maybe the weird Elon-hating tribe they want to be with isn’t on X or Twitter anymore anyway. There’s always the insular world of Mastodon if that helps.
The world changes, and we move on. I don’t always like it either but we have to deal.
The world changes, and we move on. I don’t always like it either but we have to deal.
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Unless there's something that I've missed, this seems like a lot of work just to essentially have the bird logo in place of the X logo.
Not really a lot of work, 15 minutes tops. There are changes other than the logo and user interface labels, but they are enough to warrant me doing it IMHO. Muscle memory, I suppose you could say.
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I have seen bad rebrands in my life: Far too fashionable. Totally unnecessary. Reactionary.
But I have never seen a company go from good branding like Twitter had (easy on the eyes) to something as ugly as X. I will never bad mouth the branding/advertising/PR guys again.
The logos and colours are hideous. The balance on the whole page is off.
Like there’s the verb he’s thrown away. There’s the awareness. The brand. The goodwill. The safety. But he’s traded it for the least aesthetic choice. It has recontextualised every other redesign I can remember disdaining in my life.