MrOwnPut · HackerTrans

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You've done nothing but ignore my words, misinterpret my bio, put words in my mouth, and spout off poor analogies.

I think we're done conversing, if you could even call it that.

MrOwnPut

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I'm sure there's a lot of anecdotes from male programmers about how difficult it is to get in and stay in the field, it's difficult.

But if there is something to address, address the pain points specifically and directly.

Don't try to guess a "correct" ratio and work backwards with affirmative action (denying one race to boost up another).

For all you know the current ratio is the realistic ratio and where we should be.

MrOwnPut

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The American colonies supplied the Brits with cotton. The system was setup to do so by UK. UK was buying the slave picked cotton well after they abolished/outsourced slavery.

The UK even continued slavery in Indian colonies until 1843. They only abolished sugar plantations because it was not profitable anymore.

If the American colonies didn't rebel from the UK, they may have not abolished the cotton plantations themselves because they highly depended on it.

MrOwnPut

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UK abolished slavery for themselves 30 years prior to the US abolishing it, mainly because their sugar plantations had lost their worth.

But the UK still continued to buy US cotton, knowing full well it was enabling the slave trade to continue.

And the most important point was they had setup all of these colonies with these systems in the first place.

MrOwnPut

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Yes and that's a fallacy.

If females don't want to go into programming then don't make them.

There are really good female programmers, but males tend to be more frequent.

We all have different traits that make us good at different things, that's the beautiful thing about humans.

MrOwnPut

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So you think me not agreeing the US "was hugely racist" is the same as me saying slavery never happened?

You don't think it's me saying that the US was part of a system that had existed long before it was even a country, even though I said just that?

BTW my bio is a homage to Socrates being persecuted for asking questions and going against the mob.

MrOwnPut

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I wouldn't say "long" before. They did before, but they were also the ones who created those colonies with slaves in the first place.

They were also buying those slave made goods, continuing the triangle, even well after they abolished it in their homeland.

So yes, they may have "ended" it at home, but they basically just outsourced their slavery to colonies they had setup.

MrOwnPut

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Where did I say it never happened?

It's a bit disingenuous to put words in my mouth.

MrOwnPut

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Did I say that? Reply to what I say, not words you create. The system was created long before the US.

Many people were involved in this system, from the warring tribes in Africa selling prisoners, to countries like the UK setting up colonies with slaves for cotton, tobacco, etc.

We were the colony that finally stopped the system. It took a long time and a lot of blood because it was the system, but it was ended.

MrOwnPut

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> Anti-racism seeks to end that system.

Explain how you apply "anti-racism" please. If you're excluding people based on their skin color or origins, that is racism, even if they are white or asian.

> Everybody agrees that the US was hugely racist to start out and for centuries thereafter.

Speak for yourself, not everybody. If anything we were the colony to finally collapse the system after many centuries of it being standard across the world.

It's kind of a slap in the face for all those people who fought to end it.

MrOwnPut

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It doesn't tell you how racist/sexist the system, it tells you your demographic.

There being more male construction workers doesn't make it a sexist system.

There being more female teachers doesn't make it a sexist system.

There being more asian doctors doesn't make it a racist system.

Let people do what they want to do, you can look at demographics but stop trying to read racist tea leaves with it.

MrOwnPut

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Yeah doesn't make much sense right?

Some people think that affirmative action isn't racist.

But tell me what it is when you think like: "hey we have enough asians, exclude that person, let's find a black to get our quota"

Some people will defend it like a user said below:

"By engaging in deliberate anti-racism efforts to counteract subconscious racism."

But what is "anti-racism"? It's being racist in the opposite direction. You think Y group is being oppressed "subconciously" so you oppress X group as much as you think you need to, to "even" it out.

We should strive for equal opportunities, not equal outcomes.

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