Seems like an easy cutoff is when you add a build step as opposed to just including your script on the page. If you need to use Webpack for a project, you might as well add TypeScript as well.
You've already dismissed anyone's thoughts about quality or features out of hand in your first post in this thread: -> "They instead justify purchases in conventional terms like quality."
And you have the balls to talk about shutting down conversations?
We haven't seen any reviews of these so it's impossible to say one way or the other.
I'm a bit put off spending $400 on a pair of headphones, let alone $550. But it's a bit premature to suggest A is better than B when nobody has actually touched A.
It is a cool idea in concept and when I was flying I looked into getting some.
As I mention above, wires are a no-go for me at this point. Both while coding at my desk (where I would use something like the Max) and while out and about riding my bike, they are too big of a headache.
I would love both, but AirPods are close enough on fit for me personally (lucky) that I can wear them on long mountain bike rides. Any kind of wired headphone gets caught on a branch or my hand or something else catches on.
Obviously the AirPods Max aren't coming on any bike rides either, but when I'm at my desk I prefer over ear headphones or speakers. (But I'm probably not buying the Max either)
Don't know about the "hip" workplace, but for me anyhow these are at least in concept perfect for the open floorpan office I work in (during non-pandemic times).
I love the endless comparisons to products which don't actually compete with these or even the AirPods. If you are looking at AirPods Max, your tampon headphones aren't remotely in the running for no other reason than they are wired. That's without even looking at the other features of the headset.
Good bluetooth headphones finally have completely destroyed my willingness to wrestle with cables.
Objective discussion goes out the window because rather than look at the actual features of a product people instantly start claiming Apple products are fashion statements. So we end up with dead end conversations about meaningless things like this one.
> I should admit that you are correct that $200 (MSRP, not paid price) won't buy a fair competitor. More appropriate is $350, which is what the XM4/QC35 II cost.
It's good to have a realistic comparison. All these comments comparing it to wires, non ANC headphones, and studio monitor headphones are pretty far off base.
> Dramatically better than any bluetooth speaker I've had? Of course. But not perfect.
I agree, save I wouldn't describe it as dramatically better. My experience with bluetooth headphones switching between multiple devices prior to the AirPods was pretty much unusable. So the AirPods delivering "Not Perfect" was by comparison night and day.
What value do you place on frequency response versus ease of use? Is there a metric for being able to ride 20 miles on my bike without accidentally pulling them out by the cord? How about the metric for seamlessly transferring audio between sources? What is it worth being able to text my wife while riding my bike?
Once you've dialed in what all these performance metrics are worth, we can compare it to other headphones on a level playing field.
What is entirely trite is people assuming that they are smarter/ better/ more knowledgeable about a product than the people who actually buy and use it. It's condescending and flat out wrong much of the time. This idea that you can pin the desirability of a product down to 1 or 2 bullet points on a chart is frequently completely wrong.
This whole "People just buy them because they are popular" thing is trite. AirPods were tremendously mocked when they were launched and became popular in spite of that.
You don't like them. Millions of people do. Lots of people don't value the things you (or I!) value.
> I see you’ve never used AirPods between multiple devises. It’s become a lot better in the last year, but that’s only because it started out infuriating.
Not the OP, but I've used AirPods since day one, switching between my iPad, iPhone, and Mac and they've been fine. I honestly have no idea what you are talking about. It's one of the things I loved about them from go, in fact a lot of people loved the way they switched between devices from the start. It was one of their most praised features.
> Anyway, the issue for me is that these are supposed to be audiophile/professional grade headphones - something you buy explicitly because you want the best audio quality.
No, they are not.
It's unlikely professionals are buying any wireless headphones and professionals definitely don't want/ need ANC.
These are headphones for people who want good quality sound and value the other features these offer. If you don't find the other features these offer appealing, they aren't worth the money.
Almost every criticism of these pits them against top end wired audiophile headphones... that's not what these are primarily competing against.
> I mean, so would a really great pair of headphones that costs $200 less. Also, if you are giving out $600 headphones as gifts, I would like us to be friends.
Also, please get me a line on these wireless over ear headphones with good sound and ANC you can pick up for $200.
> Why would you want these then? What about your current headphones isn't good enough that you are willing to pay $600?
Can't speak for others, but I simply want good quality over ear headphones for sitting at my desk listening to music while coding. I have a set of decent AKG over-ear headphones, but I'm tired of the cable and there are times when ANC would be nice. It would also be nice to have a set for watching TV in the evening.
Not sure why so many people have their panties in a twist about this. Apple makes arguably the best wireless tech in the business. People keep comparing these to high end wired headphones (without ANC) which completely misses the point.
Haven't listened to them, but just looking at the features it's pretty obvious these aren't for the same people. Apple's cans are Wireless high quality headphones with Active Noise Cancellation, transparency mode, and seamless switching. The only thing they have in common with the ones you listed is "Headphones".
This is all setting aside the fact that you are prejudging audio quality of a product nobody has reviewed.
I suspect there are a ton of people like me who are just fine with good sound and very interested in getting wireless noise cancelling headphones.