Show HN: Hacker News 2018, Year in Review(chart.ly)
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Show HN: Hacker News 2018, Year in Review
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For what it’s worth, the last point in the commenting guidelines is this:
Please don't submit comments saying that HN is turning into Reddit. It's a semi-noob illusion, as old as the hills.
Please don't submit comments saying that HN is turning into Reddit. It's a semi-noob illusion, as old as the hills.
There are some positive aspects, as it allows for more diversified opinions on various issues. I find that it is great that there are chicken farmers, bridge builders, etc on this platform. But I agree. There have been less and less articles on directly tech relating things, and more on general world news. Some of the things are important and worth posting, but HN has become a little bit of a general news aggregator.
On the one hand I totally agree, but on the other hand I also really enjoy reading what fellow HN-users think about the more diverse topics.
To be fair, people have been decrying this very same thing since the time I registered 8 years ago.
Perhaps a few tweaks can be made to the platform to help ensure HN's "core values" (that sounds silly) are passed on to new users. For the most part there's always been a good herd mentality to negate the one off low quality posts and a bit of public shaming "We don't talk like that around here...". Maybe a "Posting Guidelines" page and more weight added to the down-vote button to those that are privileged to have it could help.
I felt the same, recently I have a habit of clicking into user and see if they have only recently joined. I also notice a higher percentage of consumer hardware related news from various sources appearing on HN front page. It used to be only some real breakthrough, important announcement that gets the front page.
I have a simple solution. Old HNer should start downvoting rigorously. To show we have little tolerance on noise and HN isn't Reddit.
I have a simple solution. Old HNer should start downvoting rigorously. To show we have little tolerance on noise and HN isn't Reddit.
I think comment quality doesn't just depends on users but type of content that gets exposure too. I have always found that to understand most of submissions on hacker news you've to have some level of understanding and knowledge in technical fields. Same goes for comments. So hacker news will probably never become reddit and memey as long as we have great submissions and vigilant moderators.
Yes, this is an issue of anything popular. Not that it is a bad thing, as it keeps the community alive, but it feels "not the same" and might drive users away, like what happened on Facebook.
I think comment quality is still high. But over the last 18 months, I've noticed a lot of -- IDK -- partisan(?) votes.
Certain topics -- UBI, NN, GDPR, US vs EU politics -- seem to get comments upvoted/downvoted purely based on what side the comment supports, rather than the quality of the comment.
Certain topics -- UBI, NN, GDPR, US vs EU politics -- seem to get comments upvoted/downvoted purely based on what side the comment supports, rather than the quality of the comment.
Honestly such subjects should not be in a technical blog/aggregator. The most successful forum I have ever seen only had two rules:
1) On topic (quantitative finance)
2) No politics, no religion
Politics and religion can come up when it comes to quanting, but there is no reason for them to, and raising these topics is purely destructive. There are plenty of places to go argue with someone about noise if you want to.
1) On topic (quantitative finance)
2) No politics, no religion
Politics and religion can come up when it comes to quanting, but there is no reason for them to, and raising these topics is purely destructive. There are plenty of places to go argue with someone about noise if you want to.
Right. 80% of the time, I don't even read the original article.
Not reading the article is an HN staple.
I'm wondering how the user KMinshew was the top job poster for the year when the most recent comment of theirs was from 2014.
It's a bit depressing that out of top 5 posts, two are about deaths, one about prominent figure retiring and two are about companies being swallowed by other companies.
Of course death is sad, but we are all going to die one day. The people who died and were recognized made a meaningful impact on the world.
I don't argue with that, but the overall negative vibe of top 5 is obvious to me. I mean we could have at least a couple of "this new great thing happened" there?
Of course, corporate mergers may be good news too for some people, so maybe that's not full negative.
This looks great! The most interesting behavior reflected here IMO is the folks who submit lots and lots of links (presumably) in the hunt for points. The allure of Fake Internet Points is fascinating.
Btw minor typo: "discussiom of Karma"
Btw minor typo: "discussiom of Karma"
> It would be cool if we could use the public Big Query data set in Google cloud, but it is missing some data that we'd like to report on. Namely users as well as enhancing the posts with fields like (domain name of a story).
The BigQuery dataset has both of the fields necessary to do the analysis, so I'm confused. (you do need to use the NET.HOST function to extract a HN-esque domain name from the url; more info in this notebook: https://www.kaggle.com/minimaxir/hacker-news-submission-scor...)
The BigQuery dataset has both of the fields necessary to do the analysis, so I'm confused. (you do need to use the NET.HOST function to extract a HN-esque domain name from the url; more info in this notebook: https://www.kaggle.com/minimaxir/hacker-news-submission-scor...)
Thanks for the link! Will take a look. Would love to dump our Redshift instance!
I'm curious, what's the current size of your instance (disk space/# records) for this dataset?
I'd be interested in a dump of the raw data, to save having to access via the API. I'd be willing to pay for the bandwidth/temp charges if any.
I'd be interested in a dump of the raw data, to save having to access via the API. I'd be willing to pay for the bandwidth/temp charges if any.
What is it that makes you want to dump Redshift? Sounds like there's a specific frustration?
I actually like Redshift fine. But we are paying about $250/month for it just to host this data and if it was already in a publicly available database it would be nice to drop that.
But using Redshift for this has been great for us in terms of testing our tool.
But using Redshift for this has been great for us in terms of testing our tool.
I, for one, welcome our new users.
But seriously, a couple of points worth discussing:
1. Moderation feels much more automated, with default rules cutting broad robotic swaths into (or more often out of) discussion.
2. If HN is this popular, it's leaning closer and closer to social networking platform, with at least one key point: you cannot delete things, but they can.
3. Both of these facts feed into throwaway accounts. Thus, "users" are not all truly users.
The numbers don't tell the whole story.
But seriously, a couple of points worth discussing:
1. Moderation feels much more automated, with default rules cutting broad robotic swaths into (or more often out of) discussion.
2. If HN is this popular, it's leaning closer and closer to social networking platform, with at least one key point: you cannot delete things, but they can.
3. Both of these facts feed into throwaway accounts. Thus, "users" are not all truly users.
The numbers don't tell the whole story.
Interesting how the top 4 scoring posts are about deaths...
What seriously there are 1/2 million users on here?
I honestly thought it was in the 10's of thousands tops.
I think it says something about how it is possible to converse with a few people in a crowded room but not notice the crowd.
I think it says something about how it is possible to converse with a few people in a crowded room but not notice the crowd.
there was a recent study for reddit showing that actually most users dont do anything and the whole content is generated from not even the 10%
Would be interesting to know how many of those 500 000 that were active during 2018 (at least one login).
I ran a query using Chartly and it came back with ~138K users that had at least one post (story or comment) during 2018.
So maybe around 28% or so were active.
So maybe around 28% or so were active.
This is fascinating. I love data stories.
Lately I’m reading HN as a replacement for tv and newspapers, for world news.
I’m not saying HN is not fun anymore it’s just the value is elsewhere.
A guess is that slowly I’ll replace HN entirely. It’s too distractive and no essence is captured. Lobste.rs in contrast is a place where I go excited.
I’m not saying HN is not fun anymore it’s just the value is elsewhere.
A guess is that slowly I’ll replace HN entirely. It’s too distractive and no essence is captured. Lobste.rs in contrast is a place where I go excited.
Completely off topic but I clicked through your profile (just to see if you were lobste.rs employee - (cynical I know))
Anyway, on your website, you have a 4 picture gallery with the selectors vertically at the side but it was a bit jarring as I'm used to those vertical selectors usually used to display for vertical scrolling.
Even ignoring the above, the photos transition horizontally which is even more jarring (when the vertical selectors exist).
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Anyway, on your website, you have a 4 picture gallery with the selectors vertically at the side but it was a bit jarring as I'm used to those vertical selectors usually used to display for vertical scrolling.
Even ignoring the above, the photos transition horizontally which is even more jarring (when the vertical selectors exist).
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Hey guys! We've been working on an idea of data stories here at Chartly and created this Hacker News story based on data from the community in 2018.
It is not perfect, but was fun to create and I am happy with how it turned out.
Would love to hear any feedback you have!
It is not perfect, but was fun to create and I am happy with how it turned out.
Would love to hear any feedback you have!
using firefox at 1044 x 687, the purple box next to the github and nytimes box... has "67 comments" visible.. kind of looks like something is supposed to be above that, shows something when I highlight the line.
inspecting the element, it's whit text on white bg.. "Poll: Would you prefer"
I'm sure this is not a common breakpoint and browser, so I wouldn't worry too much about it.
Everything else is pretty cool - I did not know there were so many of so many things.
inspecting the element, it's whit text on white bg.. "Poll: Would you prefer"
I'm sure this is not a common breakpoint and browser, so I wouldn't worry too much about it.
Everything else is pretty cool - I did not know there were so many of so many things.
This was a delightful way to show off your product. Kudos.
Thank you! I appreciate it!
This might explain why my perception of average comment quality has dropped. It's purely anecdotal, but it feels as if the volume of joke posts and "me too" responses has increased well beyond what it was five years ago.
Comments have always been the most valuable part of HN for me. It's frankly starting to feel a little bit like Reddit around here, and I'm concerned about the signal:noise ratio dropping any further.