Ask HN: What jobs can a software engineer take to tackle climate change?
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So here's a simple framework for this:
1) Learn the things that are most likely to actually move the needle on climate change. There are a bunch of frameworks for thinking about this, but I think https://cmi.princeton.edu/wedges/intro is pretty simple. Each wedge is a viable chunk of a huge path to mitigating climate change.
2) Search for companies that solve each of these problems individually. A company that sets out to solve "climate change" is unlikely to succeed in my view, but a company that sets out to make it easy to switch from coal plants to natural gas plants by bringing together the right financing and tech transfer might be easy.
3) Rank those places in terms of your likelihood in moving the needle for them. Nuclear power plant? Maybe they really could use an excellent software engineer, maybe they've already got a great set of people or it's not that important for their business. But maybe those same nuclear power plants desperately need an excellent quantitative person for their sales team, which is really what will move the needle for them.
I'd also suggest sourcing the companies through some of the VCs that have had success having world transforming success. Despite not loving Peter Thiel's political leanings, Founders Fund has funded Space X, The Climate Corporation and Oculus that each have/had a real shot at knocking out a wedge by themselves. Some places have a great track record for backing ambitious moon shots.
(Disclosure, I used to work for The Climate Corporation. I did go to work there because Peter Thiel talked about it in his Stanford Startups class though, so I think that counts as taking my own advice.)
1) Learn the things that are most likely to actually move the needle on climate change. There are a bunch of frameworks for thinking about this, but I think https://cmi.princeton.edu/wedges/intro is pretty simple. Each wedge is a viable chunk of a huge path to mitigating climate change.
2) Search for companies that solve each of these problems individually. A company that sets out to solve "climate change" is unlikely to succeed in my view, but a company that sets out to make it easy to switch from coal plants to natural gas plants by bringing together the right financing and tech transfer might be easy.
3) Rank those places in terms of your likelihood in moving the needle for them. Nuclear power plant? Maybe they really could use an excellent software engineer, maybe they've already got a great set of people or it's not that important for their business. But maybe those same nuclear power plants desperately need an excellent quantitative person for their sales team, which is really what will move the needle for them.
I'd also suggest sourcing the companies through some of the VCs that have had success having world transforming success. Despite not loving Peter Thiel's political leanings, Founders Fund has funded Space X, The Climate Corporation and Oculus that each have/had a real shot at knocking out a wedge by themselves. Some places have a great track record for backing ambitious moon shots.
(Disclosure, I used to work for The Climate Corporation. I did go to work there because Peter Thiel talked about it in his Stanford Startups class though, so I think that counts as taking my own advice.)
I'd say from long experience of being ignored when trying to do this and similar stuff, the best payoff is to push it upstairs to those in power, the politicians, who doubtless have many other things to do, but whose job it basically is. Your job is to tackle stuff on an individual level, yourself and your family perhaps, but theirs is to deal with things on a societal level where there is much greater effectiveness.
If there's a higher payoff available than that, I don't know where it is.
Absolutely vital tip from extremely painful experience; your physical and more vitally mental health come first. You must not forget that as if you burn yourself out you're no good for anything.
If there's a higher payoff available than that, I don't know where it is.
Absolutely vital tip from extremely painful experience; your physical and more vitally mental health come first. You must not forget that as if you burn yourself out you're no good for anything.
The people in power, the politicians, they're also individuals, people with families and lives, but who decide to take on the issues of the public.
I don't think anyone should feel bad about not coming up with the solutions to global problems. You not knowing any higher payoff doesn't make you a bad person. But every incredible transformation of the world started with a person, and many incredible people only became incredible through the work they tried to do.
Borlaug saved a Billion people from starvation. He started out as a basically normal man. Find something, fight for it, wrestle with the world and hope to hold on to something, mostly because we all lose in the end. If you lose early, enjoy a happy and normal life with your family, but you don't have to lose before you start.
I don't think anyone should feel bad about not coming up with the solutions to global problems. You not knowing any higher payoff doesn't make you a bad person. But every incredible transformation of the world started with a person, and many incredible people only became incredible through the work they tried to do.
Borlaug saved a Billion people from starvation. He started out as a basically normal man. Find something, fight for it, wrestle with the world and hope to hold on to something, mostly because we all lose in the end. If you lose early, enjoy a happy and normal life with your family, but you don't have to lose before you start.
Totally agree with both points. I came to the conclusion that liquid democracy could bring about political change more rapidly than any other “movement”, so I built this: https://liquidcenter.org
Unfortunately, Sybil-resistant online identification is still a really hard problem to solve.
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I feel that it's necessary that I post. I've been working as an energy consultant for large businesses and governments where I improve the energy efficiency of facilities, in effect reducing their carbon footprint. Climate change is a complex topic and what little I know helps me understand how complex of a challenge it is. The following is my bias and probably incorrect opinion.
The most effective way to reduce the effects of global warming is to implement a carbon tax. Use the power of the economic system we have to guide firms reduce their own carbon footprint. For example, in Canada, they implemented a revenue-neutral policy where carbon is taxed and the money made is refunded evenly per person. The only costs are the minimum administrative and the substitution/income effect (Slutsky equation).
As a person, it's difficult to know where to help. I would recommend to first promote the above and then look at the metric '$ per CO2 emission saved'. I believe it is the most important metric to reducing your carbon footprint.
Taking the bus instead of driving, moving to a smaller house, reducing meat consumption or updating to LED lighting in many cases has a negative $/CO2, meaning you save money and reduce CO2. With the money you saved, look at projects with positive but small $/CO2, this could be purchasing power from renewable sources, purchasing a more efficient heating and cooling system. This list is what I've seen in north america but changes greatly depending on region and what you are already doing.
Unfortunately it is a very complex challenge. I know I didn't answer your question. I would recommend starting with good information, the IPCC releases reports of the leading science of climate change and would recommend starting with the report for policy makers as a summary. https://www.ipcc.ch/report/ar5/syr/
The most effective way to reduce the effects of global warming is to implement a carbon tax. Use the power of the economic system we have to guide firms reduce their own carbon footprint. For example, in Canada, they implemented a revenue-neutral policy where carbon is taxed and the money made is refunded evenly per person. The only costs are the minimum administrative and the substitution/income effect (Slutsky equation).
As a person, it's difficult to know where to help. I would recommend to first promote the above and then look at the metric '$ per CO2 emission saved'. I believe it is the most important metric to reducing your carbon footprint.
Taking the bus instead of driving, moving to a smaller house, reducing meat consumption or updating to LED lighting in many cases has a negative $/CO2, meaning you save money and reduce CO2. With the money you saved, look at projects with positive but small $/CO2, this could be purchasing power from renewable sources, purchasing a more efficient heating and cooling system. This list is what I've seen in north america but changes greatly depending on region and what you are already doing.
Unfortunately it is a very complex challenge. I know I didn't answer your question. I would recommend starting with good information, the IPCC releases reports of the leading science of climate change and would recommend starting with the report for policy makers as a summary. https://www.ipcc.ch/report/ar5/syr/
Go outside and plant a tree. Preferably in a tropical area where it is less likely to burn during the summer.
Trees are the cheapest most efficient way to remove carbon from the atmosphere. No other solution comes even remotely close.
You can drive a Prius, become a vegan, and buy solar panels but a person who plants a single acre of trees will have offset an entire lifetime of greenhouse gas production and then some.
Trees are the cheapest most efficient way to remove carbon from the atmosphere. No other solution comes even remotely close.
You can drive a Prius, become a vegan, and buy solar panels but a person who plants a single acre of trees will have offset an entire lifetime of greenhouse gas production and then some.
A few mins searching and I've not been able to find any figures that justify that, do you have any to hand? An acre sounds a bit small.
Nearest I've found is <https://greenismything.com/2015/06/23/howmanytrees/> which suggests ~2 acres per head for the US.
Nearest I've found is <https://greenismything.com/2015/06/23/howmanytrees/> which suggests ~2 acres per head for the US.
The Trillion-trees campaign claims it'll offset at least 10 years of anthropogenic emissions.
So to a zero approximation, I need to plant 1000 trees to offset my lifetime's carbon footprint. Without too much math, looking at my backyard, it's not possible to squeeze that into an acre (an order of magnitude off).
So to a zero approximation, I need to plant 1000 trees to offset my lifetime's carbon footprint. Without too much math, looking at my backyard, it's not possible to squeeze that into an acre (an order of magnitude off).
My favorite piece on this topic is “What can a technologist do about climate change” http://worrydream.com/ClimateChange/
We started http://climateaction.tech/ to amplify and connect tech workers with just these types of questions, check out our guides there and join the Slack to connect with other folks wrestling with the same questions.
We started http://climateaction.tech/ to amplify and connect tech workers with just these types of questions, check out our guides there and join the Slack to connect with other folks wrestling with the same questions.
Good luck on that but if you really want to do something, join an organization, protest, etc. We need political power more than we need software right now.
I've tried building software to organize activists to use shareholder rights -- those things you don't realize you already have through your retirement funds. E.g. https://www.yourstake.org/ask/vanguard-vanguard-endorse-a-na...
You can do both.
Yah sorry that sounded aggressive, doing both (one job one not) is my plan
Worked at a startup that unfortunately went under, trying to reuse heat generated in datacenters. (saves on electricity spend on airco and saves on having to generate heat elsewhere)
Luckily some competitors still exist: https://www.cloudandheat.com/ https://www.qarnot.com/fr/home-fr/
Luckily some competitors still exist: https://www.cloudandheat.com/ https://www.qarnot.com/fr/home-fr/
The temperature differential between what the hottest chips can accept, about 70C, and the environment suggests this is a highly inefficient source of energy, due to Carnot limits.
I wish people would go for the big guns, fully renewable energy, nuclear, electric transport, green concrete and steel - the major issues instead of wasting time and money recovering 10% of what some coal power plant supplied to their data centre.
It's better than nothing but very close to nothing. It's a pervasive way of thinking in green engineering, every bit helps but what we need is BIG help: https://www.withouthotair.com/c19/page_114.shtml
I wish people would go for the big guns, fully renewable energy, nuclear, electric transport, green concrete and steel - the major issues instead of wasting time and money recovering 10% of what some coal power plant supplied to their data centre.
It's better than nothing but very close to nothing. It's a pervasive way of thinking in green engineering, every bit helps but what we need is BIG help: https://www.withouthotair.com/c19/page_114.shtml
> I'm a software engineer with a diverse background in backend, frontend development.
> How do I find jobs related to tackling global warming and climate change in Europe for an English speaker?
While not directly answering the question, here are some ideas for purchasing, donating, creating new positions, and hiring people that care:
Write more efficient code. Write more efficient compilers. Optimize interpretation and compilation so that the code written by people with domain knowledge who aren't that great at programming who are trying to solve other important problems is more efficient.
Push for PPAs (Power Purchase Agreements) that offset energy use. Push for directly sourcing clean energy.
Use services that at least have 100% PPAs for the energy they use: services that run on clean energy sources.
Choose green datacenters.
- [ ] Add the capability for cloud resource schedulers like Kubernetes and Terraform to prefer or require clean energy datacenters.
Choose to work with companies that voluntarily choose to do sustainability reporting.
Work to help develop (and popularize) blockchain solutions that are more energy efficient and that have equal or better security assurances as less efficient chains.
Advocate for clean energy. Donate to NGOs working for our environment and for clean energy.
Invest in clean energy. There are a number of clean energy ETFs, for example. Better energy storage is a good investment.
Push for certified green buildings and datacenters.
- [ ] We should create some sort of a badge and structured data (JSONLD, RDFa, Microdata) for site headers and/or footers that lets consumers know that we're working toward '200% green' so that we can vote with our money.
Do not vote for people who are rolling back regulations that protect our environment. Pay an organization that pays lobbyists to work the system: that's the game.
Help explain why it's both environment-rational and cost-rational to align with national and international environmental sustainability and clean energy objectives.
Argue that we should make external costs internal in order that markets will optimize for what we actually want.
> How do I find jobs related to tackling global warming and climate change in Europe for an English speaker?
While not directly answering the question, here are some ideas for purchasing, donating, creating new positions, and hiring people that care:
Write more efficient code. Write more efficient compilers. Optimize interpretation and compilation so that the code written by people with domain knowledge who aren't that great at programming who are trying to solve other important problems is more efficient.
Push for PPAs (Power Purchase Agreements) that offset energy use. Push for directly sourcing clean energy.
Use services that at least have 100% PPAs for the energy they use: services that run on clean energy sources.
Choose green datacenters.
- [ ] Add the capability for cloud resource schedulers like Kubernetes and Terraform to prefer or require clean energy datacenters.
Choose to work with companies that voluntarily choose to do sustainability reporting.
Work to help develop (and popularize) blockchain solutions that are more energy efficient and that have equal or better security assurances as less efficient chains.
Advocate for clean energy. Donate to NGOs working for our environment and for clean energy.
Invest in clean energy. There are a number of clean energy ETFs, for example. Better energy storage is a good investment.
Push for certified green buildings and datacenters.
- [ ] We should create some sort of a badge and structured data (JSONLD, RDFa, Microdata) for site headers and/or footers that lets consumers know that we're working toward '200% green' so that we can vote with our money.
Do not vote for people who are rolling back regulations that protect our environment. Pay an organization that pays lobbyists to work the system: that's the game.
Help explain why it's both environment-rational and cost-rational to align with national and international environmental sustainability and clean energy objectives.
Argue that we should make external costs internal in order that markets will optimize for what we actually want.
Thermodynamics is part of the physics curriculum for many software engineering and computer science degrees.
There are a number of existing solutions that solve for energy inefficiency due to unreclaimed waste heat.
"Thermodynamics of Computation Wiki" https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=18146854
"Why Do Computers Use So Much Energy?" https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=18139654
There are a number of existing solutions that solve for energy inefficiency due to unreclaimed waste heat.
"Thermodynamics of Computation Wiki" https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=18146854
"Why Do Computers Use So Much Energy?" https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=18139654
Pick the political party in your country most interested in stopping climate change and go work for them. And vote.
you can help make compilers and hits and languages and their core libraries more efficient. the average program uses around 100x more electricity than it needs to. as a bonus i will be much less annoyed by software even if jevons paradox results in no co2 reduction
In terms of software engineering alone, your best bet may just be to find an organization you support and work hard while under their employ. Even if you're not _directly_ affecting emissions etc., you're supporting those who do. As a bonus, passion for a cause can be very motivational. (Though keep in mind you may be discouraged if the organization feels dysfunctional or ineffective. Be ready to switch jobs if need be.)
As for finding those organizations, that's a different question and may be better asked without reference to software engineering so as to receive the widest spectrum of orgs.
As for finding those organizations, that's a different question and may be better asked without reference to software engineering so as to receive the widest spectrum of orgs.
The key phrase to be looking for in terms of employment is 'Environmental NGO'.
As well as this, think about incentive engineering: ways you can make it easy for people to change their lifestyle.
80000hours has a writeup on the topic: https://80000hours.org/problem-profiles/climate-change/
The coolest company I saw on he list was this: https://www.coolearth.org/
A lot of the HN comments talk about planting trees. What's more effective, I imagine, is preventing deforestation in the first place.
The coolest company I saw on he list was this: https://www.coolearth.org/
A lot of the HN comments talk about planting trees. What's more effective, I imagine, is preventing deforestation in the first place.
As a founder of a startup in the green tech area it is fantastic to hear more and more people sharing an environmental motivation about the work they want to do. There are a growing number of motivated startups around with a direct environmental purpose, though they can be harder to find and a slightly different beast from the established tech companies. (Not wanting to plug myself too much but we're currently looking for a motivated developer actually https://lightfi.io/jobs )
There are also a number of environment and social impact accelerators that may be useful for finding companies or pursuing one's own ideas, we started though the EU Climate-KIC program, for example. Increasingly as well there are a number of larger corporates engaging with social impact as a driver (sometimes this can appear a little like green-washing but there are some genuine motivations behind it).
At the moment it does seem more of a growing industry, the people and the companies are there if you can keep that determination to find them. And the more developers showing and looking for a clear sense of that environmental motivation will itself push through a wider change as there is plenty of great and fulfilling work that can be done.
There are also a number of environment and social impact accelerators that may be useful for finding companies or pursuing one's own ideas, we started though the EU Climate-KIC program, for example. Increasingly as well there are a number of larger corporates engaging with social impact as a driver (sometimes this can appear a little like green-washing but there are some genuine motivations behind it).
At the moment it does seem more of a growing industry, the people and the companies are there if you can keep that determination to find them. And the more developers showing and looking for a clear sense of that environmental motivation will itself push through a wider change as there is plenty of great and fulfilling work that can be done.
There are so many startups in that space. Smart grid management, drones to support wind turbines maintenance, robots that clean solar panels (yes, that is a thing https://www.ecoppia.com/), water leakage alerts using smart valves, all the alternative meat wannabes, vertical farming? (questionable...), the list goes on and on. There are VC funds investing solely in these things. Good luck!
Query like this "Ltd. climate change site:co.uk". Ireland, Netherlands or Sweden may also work. Others don't have an English-friendly working environment afaik
Hello!
I asked myself the same question, and ended up founding Tomorrow (https://www.tmrow.com).
I believe understanding the footprint of anything should be a commodity, and easily accessible to anyone. That's why we're currently building an app that automatically computes your carbon footprint, and gives you the means to change for the better. I previously built electricitymap.org, and we're now hiring if you're interested: https://www.tmrow.com/jobs Feel free to reach out directly if you want to chat (or join our Slack at slack.tmrow.com). This is the most pressing issue of our time and we simply don't have enough people working or caring about it.
A bit of reading: - http://worrydream.com/ClimateChange/ - https://www.tmrow.com/climatechange
Olivier
I believe understanding the footprint of anything should be a commodity, and easily accessible to anyone. That's why we're currently building an app that automatically computes your carbon footprint, and gives you the means to change for the better. I previously built electricitymap.org, and we're now hiring if you're interested: https://www.tmrow.com/jobs Feel free to reach out directly if you want to chat (or join our Slack at slack.tmrow.com). This is the most pressing issue of our time and we simply don't have enough people working or caring about it.
A bit of reading: - http://worrydream.com/ClimateChange/ - https://www.tmrow.com/climatechange
Olivier
I keep getting YouTube ads from a company called Ecosia[1] who describe themselves as a search engine that plants trees.
I don’t know anything else about them other than I think they are based in Europe. Might be worth a look.
[1] https://www.ecosia.org/
I don’t know anything else about them other than I think they are based in Europe. Might be worth a look.
[1] https://www.ecosia.org/
They are based in Berlin to be precise
All politics is local. Imho the most promising stuff from tech startups is the e-scooter rental stuff. City councils are naturally conservative about big transit-oriented projects, but e-scooter rentals and public transit could work together to be a great system for making dents in climate change.
If only the e-scooter companies weren't working off Uber's Handbook of Success Through Antisocial Behaviour... Maybe not all of them do, just the ones I know of.
The easiest way to reduce CO2 is to plant a forest, so look for companies that do this.
https://twitter.com/nowthisnews/status/1131365880435286016?s...
Those tree planting drone companies probably require software engineering.
Those tree planting drone companies probably require software engineering.
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I was thinking about this yesterday and came up with this question: How many trees would I have to plant, and how long would they have to live to offset my (average Western European) lifetime CO2 contribution?
and if you fly somewhere to plant it you just added a bunch more
Yeah, but how many?
I don't recall where, but I recently saw something about the net effect on long-run global temperature being muddled if the tree's dark foliage absorbs more heat than baseline for the environment.
I'm not sure if that's just an asterisk indicating that the short-run effect may be a wash, or if it's clear enough to rule out some environments/tree species in favor of other choices.
I'm not sure if that's just an asterisk indicating that the short-run effect may be a wash, or if it's clear enough to rule out some environments/tree species in favor of other choices.
that is only a temporary buffer
ecosia.org
Saul Griffiths of Otherlab makes a solid case for massive electrification as the primary means for reducing carbon: https://medium.com/otherlab-news/decarbonization-and-gnd-b8d... (mainly that moving to electric HALVES the amount of energy we need, mostly due to inefficiencies)
Based on his assessment, there are lots of job possibilities in electric vehicles, electric heating and cooling, and LED / industrial processes.
Based on his assessment, there are lots of job possibilities in electric vehicles, electric heating and cooling, and LED / industrial processes.
I've started developing an idea for a kickstarter-like platform to document, socialize and (forgive me) gamify individual actions towards climate change improvements. If we could get a certain percentage of populations to change some basics in their lives, and influence governmental policy in kind, we could take more responsibility for our own impacts, and our collective contributions.
Very nascent, researching and blue-sky-ing, but I'm just putting it out there for anyone who might like to discuss this.
Very nascent, researching and blue-sky-ing, but I'm just putting it out there for anyone who might like to discuss this.
I would love to be kept up to date with something like this.
if you care to, send me an email (address in profile), and i'll follow-up (just the once) in about a month with where i think it's going.
There are, very broadly speaking, two strategies for tackling climate change:
1. Innovation (e.g. find new and better sources of energy) 2. Mitigation (e.g. reduce energy consumption)
For example the Tesla Solar Roof is an innovation strategy whereas planting trees is a mitigation strategy.
Although we really need a combination of both most companies tend to focus on a single approach, so I'd suggest thinking about which type of approach you'd like to work on.
1. Innovation (e.g. find new and better sources of energy) 2. Mitigation (e.g. reduce energy consumption)
For example the Tesla Solar Roof is an innovation strategy whereas planting trees is a mitigation strategy.
Although we really need a combination of both most companies tend to focus on a single approach, so I'd suggest thinking about which type of approach you'd like to work on.
I would look to help a marketing team in an organization that promote reducing consumption, marketing is in my view the best shot we have to tackle environmental issues. Once living with a small house not heating too lunch and using public transport will be trendy, lots of people may change their way of life. Now where do you find them? I would start looking for activist artist.
I know a recruiter that specializes in durability in the netherlands. Not sure they do much software engineers though.
https://www.sustainabletalent.nl/
I have pondered about a more sustainable career for a long time. But the opportunities did not match my talents, hope it works out for you.
I have pondered about a more sustainable career for a long time. But the opportunities did not match my talents, hope it works out for you.
I'd say work for my company (https://www.indigoag.com/join-us) but you work in Europe.
Look for agtech or renewable energy companies who need software engineers. You're helping tackle climate change by being a part of the solution.
Look for agtech or renewable energy companies who need software engineers. You're helping tackle climate change by being a part of the solution.
Are you looking only for other jobs in software engineering, or are you willing to enter a different field to accomplish this?
Software has the possibility to change behavior but it's probably not the biggest lever available for this particular problem.
Software has the possibility to change behavior but it's probably not the biggest lever available for this particular problem.
Get high as possible salary and donate as much as possible to https://www.rainforestcoalition.org or other nonprofit.
Slightly adjacent to your question, but I've thought it would be nice to have a Google Maps-like app that optimizes for fuel use instead of drive time or distance.
If there are any Googlers reading: I'd love if Maps implemented this. Helpful for saving people some cash, too, which I am sure would be popular! As it is I have to consider distance, time spent, hilliness, speed limits (to limit wind resistance), and amount of stop & go, then guesstimate.
http://worrydream.com/ClimateChange/ may inspire you.
A parent - and raise your child(ren) to live in an ecologically sensitive manner that you wish the rest of the world to be.
(Am being honest, not being snarky)
Surely not being a parent is friendlier to the environment :-)
Not if those who care about the environment are replaced by those who do not care after a generation or two.
I believe so on average, but for individuals it depends on the impact your kids have :-)
Well if you are looking at large risky breakthrough, Maybe AI to control fusion plasma? Or maybe something to help promising ideas in carbon capture?
you can start by realizing "global cooling/global warming/climate change is a racket.
what you do next is up to you.
Any programming job where you write code that runs at a higher power efficiency than whoever else would've programmed it if you hadn't taken the job
The web is not very green or very accessible. Every bloated web page requires a lot of electrons to be moved around.
Recently the web has evolved with CSS Grid and this means that you no longer need to have web pages made of 'div soup' with every 'div' using half a dozen non-semantic class attributes.
It is extremely rare for a web page to be 10% or higher in actual content, if you look at the actual document and don't even consider the images/scripts/stylesheets. Most of the web could be at the 33% mark if you strip the presentational markup away and just use HTML5 elements, styling them with CSS Grid. The benefits of writing this way are many, apart from being green, such a page is accessible because useful elements are used for the page, e.g. 'nav' instead of 'div', and easier to maintain, because the content is kept simple. There is also SEO benefit from having a quicker to download page that is a fraction of the size.
Now you may scoff at saving a few bytes from a few web pages but the savings add up, get one template right for a website that gets used by a few million people on a daily basis and you are suddenly saving gigabytes. People's phone batteries last longer, cell towers don't have to do as much work, server rooms can run cooler, it is a bigger win than people think.
Once upon a time we thought nothing of single use food containers or excess packaging, the humble 'div' with its framework class attributes double-wrapping every block of content on the page with a few 'span' elements thrown in for good measure is possibly more wasteful, at least you can reuse plastic bags, you can't reuse a 'div' that has been beamed across the airwaves from the far side of the globe.
There are laws coming along meaning that web pages have to be accessible. You can make them accessible in a lip service way or re-write them with maintainable, CSS-Grid styled HTML5 to deliver a first class accessible experience. In the EU there is a two year period for the public sector to get their act together on this.
Writing HTML without the div where you focus on document structure and use the right elements is very easy, as is using CSS Grid. But we are in an industry where the mindset is to work from a visual mockup and to then paint by numbers gormlessly using the dreadful div element that has no place in modern HTML and very much goes against the 'separation of concerns'.
The world needs someone to teach a new intake of web developers how to write actual HTML, leaving the build tools and hacks far behind, more of a focus on the written word rather than the overly complex tech.
We have had revolutions in web design, for instance 'responsive' was a thing. If we can have actual HTML instead of bloated presentational markup then there will be some old timers who won't get it, but this easier way should be well received. Right now though dev teams are very much geared up for over complicating projects and not even thinking to use just the HTML5 elements in a content first type of way. Hierarchies of teams are built around anachronistic 'agile' processes that are doomed to result in bloated div websites.
Unless there is nuclear war then we are not going back on the web, it is here to stay and be improved on. Be that improvement. Teach people how to write web pages the easy way, enable others to think differently and not be using tired Stack Overflow 'div' solutions that were okay a decade ago.
The maths of the CO2 saving is not easy to work out. But then it is. HTML is the language of the web and web pages are what we read. This page you are reading right now is HTML and not some JSON stringified thing. Coding the lean HTML5 way does get your HTML document size halved, plus the lights don't have to be on as long to write it in the first place.
You can do all of this stuff a lot easier than the stuff you have done thus far. I don't think your skill set is in 'planting trees'. Nobody is looking for 'green HTML developers' but there is this legislative requirement for accessible HTML. Start selling yourself to them.
Recently the web has evolved with CSS Grid and this means that you no longer need to have web pages made of 'div soup' with every 'div' using half a dozen non-semantic class attributes.
It is extremely rare for a web page to be 10% or higher in actual content, if you look at the actual document and don't even consider the images/scripts/stylesheets. Most of the web could be at the 33% mark if you strip the presentational markup away and just use HTML5 elements, styling them with CSS Grid. The benefits of writing this way are many, apart from being green, such a page is accessible because useful elements are used for the page, e.g. 'nav' instead of 'div', and easier to maintain, because the content is kept simple. There is also SEO benefit from having a quicker to download page that is a fraction of the size.
Now you may scoff at saving a few bytes from a few web pages but the savings add up, get one template right for a website that gets used by a few million people on a daily basis and you are suddenly saving gigabytes. People's phone batteries last longer, cell towers don't have to do as much work, server rooms can run cooler, it is a bigger win than people think.
Once upon a time we thought nothing of single use food containers or excess packaging, the humble 'div' with its framework class attributes double-wrapping every block of content on the page with a few 'span' elements thrown in for good measure is possibly more wasteful, at least you can reuse plastic bags, you can't reuse a 'div' that has been beamed across the airwaves from the far side of the globe.
There are laws coming along meaning that web pages have to be accessible. You can make them accessible in a lip service way or re-write them with maintainable, CSS-Grid styled HTML5 to deliver a first class accessible experience. In the EU there is a two year period for the public sector to get their act together on this.
Writing HTML without the div where you focus on document structure and use the right elements is very easy, as is using CSS Grid. But we are in an industry where the mindset is to work from a visual mockup and to then paint by numbers gormlessly using the dreadful div element that has no place in modern HTML and very much goes against the 'separation of concerns'.
The world needs someone to teach a new intake of web developers how to write actual HTML, leaving the build tools and hacks far behind, more of a focus on the written word rather than the overly complex tech.
We have had revolutions in web design, for instance 'responsive' was a thing. If we can have actual HTML instead of bloated presentational markup then there will be some old timers who won't get it, but this easier way should be well received. Right now though dev teams are very much geared up for over complicating projects and not even thinking to use just the HTML5 elements in a content first type of way. Hierarchies of teams are built around anachronistic 'agile' processes that are doomed to result in bloated div websites.
Unless there is nuclear war then we are not going back on the web, it is here to stay and be improved on. Be that improvement. Teach people how to write web pages the easy way, enable others to think differently and not be using tired Stack Overflow 'div' solutions that were okay a decade ago.
The maths of the CO2 saving is not easy to work out. But then it is. HTML is the language of the web and web pages are what we read. This page you are reading right now is HTML and not some JSON stringified thing. Coding the lean HTML5 way does get your HTML document size halved, plus the lights don't have to be on as long to write it in the first place.
You can do all of this stuff a lot easier than the stuff you have done thus far. I don't think your skill set is in 'planting trees'. Nobody is looking for 'green HTML developers' but there is this legislative requirement for accessible HTML. Start selling yourself to them.
I can't tell if this is a joke or not, but HTML5 and lighter web pages are not a solution to climate change. There's no way in the world that math works out.
We are doomed anyway. There is no point 'raising awareness' or writing to your MP. Single handedly nobody can change magically provide the solution you seek.
But half the world spends half their time on their phone. Halve the bytes and bandwidth needed for that and make things accessible - what is not to like? I bet that changing the way we do web pages to remove old fashioned bloat saves more penguins than your suggestion.
My suggestion was written specifically for the questioner based on their skillset. Not a one size fits all solution for everyone.
Please do the maths for me after refactoring a web page of your choosing so you have an idea of the gains. Don't be a blocker, present some sums.
But half the world spends half their time on their phone. Halve the bytes and bandwidth needed for that and make things accessible - what is not to like? I bet that changing the way we do web pages to remove old fashioned bloat saves more penguins than your suggestion.
My suggestion was written specifically for the questioner based on their skillset. Not a one size fits all solution for everyone.
Please do the maths for me after refactoring a web page of your choosing so you have an idea of the gains. Don't be a blocker, present some sums.
Build apps and technology for responsible investing. The Trump tax cuts have put the onus on corporations to be social and societal stewards. Investors need to make sure corporations are held to a higher standard
Can we cut the constant climate change topics? For the last three or four weeks I haven't been able to swing a dead cat without hitting somebody going into histrionics about the end being nigh because humans or cow farts are destroying the planet.
It really is that big of an issue.
Sure, maybe, but this is not the place for bellyaching about it. Or at least it didn't use to be.
Ignoring the topic will not make the problem go away.
As for cows, the biggest source of methane emission in livestock comes from belching rather than farts. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Environmental_impact_of_meat_p...
As for cows, the biggest source of methane emission in livestock comes from belching rather than farts. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Environmental_impact_of_meat_p...
How do I find jobs related to tackling global warming and climate change in Europe for an English speaker?
Open to ideas and thoughts.