Pro-Indian ‘fake’ websites aimed at influencing decision-making in Europe(bbc.com)
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Pro-Indian ‘fake’ websites aimed at influencing decision-making in Europe
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-india-50749764
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Nobody in india is watches NDTV because they are part of urban naxal propaganda.
you can see here https://www.barcindia.co.in/statistic.aspx
TRP of NDTV is lowest.
they do have enough Page Rank points on the internet but that too because of their 'tech' subdomain called gadgets ndtv.
ndtv was supporting osama and hizbul terrorists. they sympathize with jihadis.
BBC is known for their hinduphobia https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Criticism_of_the_BBC#Anti-Hind...
ndtv is like bbc of india
you can see here https://www.barcindia.co.in/statistic.aspx
TRP of NDTV is lowest.
they do have enough Page Rank points on the internet but that too because of their 'tech' subdomain called gadgets ndtv.
ndtv was supporting osama and hizbul terrorists. they sympathize with jihadis.
BBC is known for their hinduphobia https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Criticism_of_the_BBC#Anti-Hind...
ndtv is like bbc of india
> The BBC World Service started broadcasts in Arabic in 1938. That is basically the dawn of modern international propaganda.
In Mein Kampf (1925), Hitler was already complaining about British propaganda having lost Germany WW1, whether or not it was true. Of course, Hitler should be the last person to get away with calling propaganda unfair.
In Mein Kampf (1925), Hitler was already complaining about British propaganda having lost Germany WW1, whether or not it was true. Of course, Hitler should be the last person to get away with calling propaganda unfair.
One big success of our current BJP-controlled govt in India is their ability to influence and control narrative on specific topics through targeted disinformation. This is not just for internal issues but also for external ones.
To be honest, they aren't influencing, they're threatening media houses. No Indian news outlet except NDTV shows the truth because NDTV is suffering from losses in revenue as Central leaders have boycotted NDTV for showing the truth.
Look at how the anti CAA protests are shown in general media. They're blaming opposition for everything
Look at how the anti CAA protests are shown in general media. They're blaming opposition for everything
First time I learnt, news channel become more neutral when they are in loss. Conventional Response is to produce more polarising narrative to gain more views especially a target group that becomes loyal followers.
They're not "neutral"because they're in loss.
I remember since my childhood that NDTV has always been critical of the government and that's why I liked it but due to Burkha Dutt, I started to dislike the channel.
Now NDTV is the only channel which reports facts. You see Republic, Zee news etc blatantly spread govt agenda. But that's not because they're in loss, that's because they have sold their soul or never had one to begin with.
Also the media channels which kiss the emperors ring get contracts and are gaining profit. They fear monger and STILL blame the opposition even though BJP has ruled the county for six years. Of course you're surprised, you created a new just to spread propaganda here! But worry not, we won't let it happen and we have downvoting privileges, this isn't Twitter or Face book where the one who shouts the loudest is true
I remember since my childhood that NDTV has always been critical of the government and that's why I liked it but due to Burkha Dutt, I started to dislike the channel.
Now NDTV is the only channel which reports facts. You see Republic, Zee news etc blatantly spread govt agenda. But that's not because they're in loss, that's because they have sold their soul or never had one to begin with.
Also the media channels which kiss the emperors ring get contracts and are gaining profit. They fear monger and STILL blame the opposition even though BJP has ruled the county for six years. Of course you're surprised, you created a new just to spread propaganda here! But worry not, we won't let it happen and we have downvoting privileges, this isn't Twitter or Face book where the one who shouts the loudest is true
The personal attack is uncalled for. This is not /r/india. The rest of your post was insightful.
I find the use of downvote ironic here.
(downvotes are not used for opposing a view point or disagreement)
It's ok for downvoting to express disagreement on HN: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=16131314.
FWIW this article says that the particular case under discussion seems to be a private effort.
Not that this invalidates your larger point.
Not that this invalidates your larger point.
Maybe they are trying to counter the default anti Indian narrative of most western media outlets which sometimes takes an ugly embarrassing form
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-india-29502062
What "default anti Indian narrative"?
Also, the cartoon you've linked to doesn't seem anti-Indian at all. I get that people complained, but it's a cartoon: quite a gentle one at that.
Also, the cartoon you've linked to doesn't seem anti-Indian at all. I get that people complained, but it's a cartoon: quite a gentle one at that.
Reuters Report about crimes against women showed how anti indian western media is.
Unless these crimes didn't really happen, Reuters is doing their job.
When stats provided by government show that India is unsafest for woman I hardly see the "anti India" bias
Source?
'unsafest' relative to which countries?
Edit: btw I am not saying India is safe by any measure. The official statistics released by government doesn't match with what you say, be it propaganda, reality or just lack of significant funding into researching these stuff.
Without insightful data, how do you plan to combat anything? 'Growing' rape rates has been used as an excuse to form internet surveillance, censorship (porn ban? adult themed movies?) and other faucet of life. Did that reduce rape rates? Rapes are increasing? Why? What is happening in a developing country that makes it more vulnerable to rape cases if its true?
Edit: btw I am not saying India is safe by any measure. The official statistics released by government doesn't match with what you say, be it propaganda, reality or just lack of significant funding into researching these stuff.
Without insightful data, how do you plan to combat anything? 'Growing' rape rates has been used as an excuse to form internet surveillance, censorship (porn ban? adult themed movies?) and other faucet of life. Did that reduce rape rates? Rapes are increasing? Why? What is happening in a developing country that makes it more vulnerable to rape cases if its true?
This comment is 100% correct. Media selection bias is real, and the international focus drawn upon a couple incidents of rape a few years ago was disproportionate for lone anecdotes, which is what makes the bias against India in western media apparent. Per https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rape_in_India
> India has been characterised as one of the "countries with the lowest per capita rates of rape".
> India has been characterised as one of the "countries with the lowest per capita rates of rape".
here this should help you get a pretty good picture of BBC's Anti-India bias. From "Historical Journal of Film, Radio and Television" published in 2008.
https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/abs/10.1080/0143968080231032...
https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/abs/10.1080/0143968080231032...
Paywall. The first page, which is the only page I can access, says this is regarding an event dated 29 August 1970.
First, that's fifty years ago so do you have something newer?
Second, this seems to be about the 1975-1977 period when Indira Gandhi expelled all foreign journalists and jailed more than 250 Indian journalists [1] and politicians from the opposition and suspended elections by declaring an Emergency. The BBC was expelled in 1970 as well for broadcasting Louis Malle's documentary Phantom India [2] which showed Indian slums and depicting India in a bad light internationally. They were later invited back in 1972.
Since the same allegations are levelled today at movies like Slumdog Millionaire, all this proves is that a) we still have slums in India, and b) we are still sensitive to criticism.
[1] https://www.indiatoday.in/india/story/when-media-was-muzzled... [2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phantom_India
First, that's fifty years ago so do you have something newer?
Second, this seems to be about the 1975-1977 period when Indira Gandhi expelled all foreign journalists and jailed more than 250 Indian journalists [1] and politicians from the opposition and suspended elections by declaring an Emergency. The BBC was expelled in 1970 as well for broadcasting Louis Malle's documentary Phantom India [2] which showed Indian slums and depicting India in a bad light internationally. They were later invited back in 1972.
Since the same allegations are levelled today at movies like Slumdog Millionaire, all this proves is that a) we still have slums in India, and b) we are still sensitive to criticism.
[1] https://www.indiatoday.in/india/story/when-media-was-muzzled... [2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phantom_India
For what it's worth, the cartoonist, Heng Kim Song, is Singaporean.
American coverage of India's space program has been very positive from what I have seen. If often includes praises of how cost effective it has been, and how wasteful the recent American efforts have been.
American coverage of India's space program has been very positive from what I have seen. If often includes praises of how cost effective it has been, and how wasteful the recent American efforts have been.
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Read this with a pinch of salt.
BBC writes positive spin on Pakistan. (Or a lot of anti Indian articles)
Is that the reason why these fake news outlets which sound like official newspapers were shut down after EU Disinfo lab discovered them? Is that why their websites haven't been updated and twitter and youtube is disabled?
says the user who signed up just to comment this.
It's like an arms race. With no Winner. Sort of like World War I trench warefare.
To be honest, everyone has an agenda. So when BBC is critical of ISRO then it is not propaganda, it is just racial bias.
But what these fake news outlets(which include leading mainstream media of India) do is they blame opposition for everything.
A bridge had collapsed in Mumbai due to BJP govt alloting it 1 Rupee for maintenance for that year and all channels were "questioning" the previous congress CM.
"Built during Congress time 45yrs ago. It collapsed! Massive corruption suspected"
They didn't say that BJP spent 1 Re for maintenance.
They find a way to blame opposition about everything. Even now, although economy is screwed BJP wants to polarise the country by "throwing out infiltrators", their genius idea is of making all 130crore people stand in line to prove that they're Indian nationals and their parents are Indian born. So basically everyone needs to give documents of their parents from the 80s!
And when opposition questions it BJP Media says "Opposition doing fear mongering! Owaisi spreading deep hatred!" They literally name opposition leaders and say anything they want to suit BJP agenda
But what these fake news outlets(which include leading mainstream media of India) do is they blame opposition for everything.
A bridge had collapsed in Mumbai due to BJP govt alloting it 1 Rupee for maintenance for that year and all channels were "questioning" the previous congress CM.
"Built during Congress time 45yrs ago. It collapsed! Massive corruption suspected"
They didn't say that BJP spent 1 Re for maintenance.
They find a way to blame opposition about everything. Even now, although economy is screwed BJP wants to polarise the country by "throwing out infiltrators", their genius idea is of making all 130crore people stand in line to prove that they're Indian nationals and their parents are Indian born. So basically everyone needs to give documents of their parents from the 80s!
And when opposition questions it BJP Media says "Opposition doing fear mongering! Owaisi spreading deep hatred!" They literally name opposition leaders and say anything they want to suit BJP agenda
I agree everyone has an agenda but if they are all just playing the same move - Tit for Tat - provoke-react then what happens? Nothing. Stalemate.
Someone has to use some imagination and change the way they play the game. Right now, one day propaganda of one side wins and another day propaganda of another side wins. Its a trap.
Someone has to use some imagination and change the way they play the game. Right now, one day propaganda of one side wins and another day propaganda of another side wins. Its a trap.
I don't understand what you mean by tit for tat.
If BBC spreads something racist about Indians using their channels and Indian media does the same then it doesn't really matter does it?
Propaganda works when it's dumped upon their audience it isn't like Indian Media who sold themselves to BJP government are influential out of India.
But yes, Propaganda is bad.
If BBC spreads something racist about Indians using their channels and Indian media does the same then it doesn't really matter does it?
Propaganda works when it's dumped upon their audience it isn't like Indian Media who sold themselves to BJP government are influential out of India.
But yes, Propaganda is bad.
These days it seems to me that everyone is waging information wars against each other in less than fair ways. Each side cherry-picks information (like research or statistics) in a self-serving manner to drown out opposing views with sheer volume, regardless of whether they are ultimately correct or not. Censorship, deplatforming, fake/incomplete/misleading information, shaming, doxxing/getting people fired, etc. are all employed regularly. When facing such strategies, I don’t think either side can be blamed for using any particular tactic - reaching a point of civil discourse requires mutual/societal de-escalation.
In this case, the complaints against CAA seem overblown, and a lot of it hinges on a slippery slope argument about ”what’s next”, where of course the worst is assumed.
As an example https://www.indiatoday.in/india/story/caa-not-anti-muslim-lo...
> Seeking to allay the "needless fear-psychosis" sought to be created in certain sections of the society, he said the only purpose of the Act is to ensure the wellbeing of the minorities who have been "persecuted on the basis of religion" in Pakistan, Bangladesh and Afghanistan.
> "The Citizenship Amendment Act is not anti-Muslim from any angle and the misconceptions and apprehensions surrounding the Act is unfounded and motivated," Singh told reporters here.
> The Union Minister of State for PMO said since Muslims are neither in minority in Pakistan, Bangladesh and Afghanistan nor do they face any persecution because of their religious affiliation in these countries which have Islam as their State religion, they are obviously not included in the Citizenship (Amendment) Act.
This seems reasonable to me. There’s a pathway for refugees to seek citizenship, based on claims of religious/cultural persecution. Since the majority in these nations are Muslims, it makes sense that they cannot claim persecution under this law.
In this case, the complaints against CAA seem overblown, and a lot of it hinges on a slippery slope argument about ”what’s next”, where of course the worst is assumed.
As an example https://www.indiatoday.in/india/story/caa-not-anti-muslim-lo...
> Seeking to allay the "needless fear-psychosis" sought to be created in certain sections of the society, he said the only purpose of the Act is to ensure the wellbeing of the minorities who have been "persecuted on the basis of religion" in Pakistan, Bangladesh and Afghanistan.
> "The Citizenship Amendment Act is not anti-Muslim from any angle and the misconceptions and apprehensions surrounding the Act is unfounded and motivated," Singh told reporters here.
> The Union Minister of State for PMO said since Muslims are neither in minority in Pakistan, Bangladesh and Afghanistan nor do they face any persecution because of their religious affiliation in these countries which have Islam as their State religion, they are obviously not included in the Citizenship (Amendment) Act.
This seems reasonable to me. There’s a pathway for refugees to seek citizenship, based on claims of religious/cultural persecution. Since the majority in these nations are Muslims, it makes sense that they cannot claim persecution under this law.
> In this case, the complaints against CAA seem overblown, and a lot of it hinges on a slippery slope argument about ”what’s next”, where of course the worst is assumed.
What's next has been plainly stated to be implementation of the NRC [1], which in combination with the CAA will result in Muslims who don't have documentation to prove where their parents were born being rendered stateless. A large number of Indians don't have such documentation, but the CAA ensures only Muslims (being excluded from the whitelist of religious identities listed in the CAA) will be affected. It's not clear what would happen to them: detention centres seem a distinct possibility as some have been constructed and some are slated to be constructed.
The protest are commonly known as the "CAA and NRC" protests, so all this is commonly understood. [2]
> This seems reasonable to me. There’s a pathway for refugees to seek citizenship, based on claims of religious/cultural persecution. Since the majority in these nations are Muslims, it makes sense that they cannot claim persecution under this law.
There are minority groups such as the Ahmadis that are widely persecuted in Pakistan, Bangladesh and Afghanistan. [3] This law would consider them Muslims and therefore ineligible for admission.
The only purpose of the CAA whitelist seems to be to exclude Muslims from becoming Indian citizens. If the law's intent is to help people, it is not reasonable to exclude anyone. If they are excluding people, the law's intention is not what is being claimed. This is why tens of thousands of people are protesting.
[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Register_of_Citizens [2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Citizenship_Amendment_Act_prot... [3] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Persecution_of_Ahmadis
What's next has been plainly stated to be implementation of the NRC [1], which in combination with the CAA will result in Muslims who don't have documentation to prove where their parents were born being rendered stateless. A large number of Indians don't have such documentation, but the CAA ensures only Muslims (being excluded from the whitelist of religious identities listed in the CAA) will be affected. It's not clear what would happen to them: detention centres seem a distinct possibility as some have been constructed and some are slated to be constructed.
The protest are commonly known as the "CAA and NRC" protests, so all this is commonly understood. [2]
> This seems reasonable to me. There’s a pathway for refugees to seek citizenship, based on claims of religious/cultural persecution. Since the majority in these nations are Muslims, it makes sense that they cannot claim persecution under this law.
There are minority groups such as the Ahmadis that are widely persecuted in Pakistan, Bangladesh and Afghanistan. [3] This law would consider them Muslims and therefore ineligible for admission.
The only purpose of the CAA whitelist seems to be to exclude Muslims from becoming Indian citizens. If the law's intent is to help people, it is not reasonable to exclude anyone. If they are excluding people, the law's intention is not what is being claimed. This is why tens of thousands of people are protesting.
[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Register_of_Citizens [2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Citizenship_Amendment_Act_prot... [3] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Persecution_of_Ahmadis
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Though they are pro India, the word fake sounds like they are fake news, when in fact they are just spinning existing news sites with an Indian positivity spin.
Let's be honest most major states are doing this
Let's be honest most major states are doing this
> the word fake sounds like they are fake news,
No. It clearly says "fake websites" which is a fairly accurate description of what they are.
> Let's be honest most major states are doing this
I'm sure Sweden and Russia (for example) both have active foreign espionage departments but there's a point where the differences in scale and practice become significant and it's no longer meaningful to say "they both do it".
No. It clearly says "fake websites" which is a fairly accurate description of what they are.
> Let's be honest most major states are doing this
I'm sure Sweden and Russia (for example) both have active foreign espionage departments but there's a point where the differences in scale and practice become significant and it's no longer meaningful to say "they both do it".
> Let's be honest most major states are doing this
Maybe if you exclude most western states/countries - not sure I have noticed a pattern of US media talking it up - quite the contrary - and I have not really gotten the impression that press of UK, Australia, France or Germany is in the business of putting positive spins on domestic matters either.
Maybe if you exclude most western states/countries - not sure I have noticed a pattern of US media talking it up - quite the contrary - and I have not really gotten the impression that press of UK, Australia, France or Germany is in the business of putting positive spins on domestic matters either.
> not sure I have noticed a pattern of US media talking it up
Don't you remember when the NYT "credulously" put out stories from Dick Cheney about supposed WMDs in Iraq, which btw were sourced as coming from a "senior administration official" and then Cheney and his cronies then used these reports to actually start a war in Iraq that has resulted in half a million deaths and millions of global refugees? Very little any other country has done could possibly compare with this.
Don't you remember when the NYT "credulously" put out stories from Dick Cheney about supposed WMDs in Iraq, which btw were sourced as coming from a "senior administration official" and then Cheney and his cronies then used these reports to actually start a war in Iraq that has resulted in half a million deaths and millions of global refugees? Very little any other country has done could possibly compare with this.
> I have not really gotten the impression that press of UK, Australia, France or Germany
BBC world service, Deutsch Welte and France 24
BBC world service, Deutsch Welte and France 24
Dude every country has external sites to spin positive news, even if its for promoting Tourism
Oh the UK media definitely does.
Example: Removing the working time limit? Let's ignore that it's going to lead to more overtime even for those who don't want it, it will increase household revenue! Good news everyone!
https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/5156079/brits-post-brexit-over...
It's currently opt out if you want to work more than 48hrs/week, but scrapping that law will make it even better heh
Example: Removing the working time limit? Let's ignore that it's going to lead to more overtime even for those who don't want it, it will increase household revenue! Good news everyone!
https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/5156079/brits-post-brexit-over...
It's currently opt out if you want to work more than 48hrs/week, but scrapping that law will make it even better heh
The Sun is a terrible newspaper imo
Do you have any examples from, say, an EU country supporting your accusations?
I hate to break it to you, but the BBC being British and public hasn't exactly been a secret.
The name is literally British Broadcasting corporation! Also on their YouTube channel it clearly says "Public broadcasting of Govt of Britain"
With that background, the story here is that the network has been identified and catalogued. Someone somewhere in India is grossly negligent and/or stupid if there isn't an organised group pushing pro-India stories and the general existence of such a thing isn't newsworthy.