Twitter x TikTok = Twiktwok(twiktwok.github.io)

378 pointsby 9nGQluzmnq3M6 anni fa98 comments

twiktwok.github.io

Twitter x TikTok = Twiktwok

https://twiktwok.github.io/

103 comments

macieklaskus6 anni fa

This could be a real product if it sourced from specific clusters. For example, NBA Twitter.

galuggus6 anni fa

Interesting idea

bzb46 anni fa

It would be cool if this was made into an actual app so scrolling would work properly

galuggus6 anni fa

What device did you view it on?

organicfigs6 anni fa

I don't have a tiktok nor a twitter, but somehow I sincerely enjoyed consuming this, nice work!

galuggus6 anni fa

Thanks. I'll put it on product hunt tomorrow

echelon6 anni fa

Does product hunt help at all? What's the objective and audience in posting there? Genuinely curious.

galuggus6 anni fa

I think the audience there will like it

swyx6 anni fa

mostly a circlejrk with other hunters fake reviewing a product they haven't used and half of these things will be dead in a year. everything about PH screams fake.

return16 anni fa

Half? Extremely generous

jkingsman6 anni fa

Neat idea! Bummed I can't use a scroll wheel; dragging with a mouse to emulate touch is not my favorite thing.

Cool overall though

galuggus6 anni fa

Adding this feature. This is still a work in progress.

ALittleLight6 anni fa

Can the sound selection persist between videos? i.e if I turn it on for one video, I'd expect it would be on for the next video.

Great stuff!

galuggus6 anni fa

I had to remove this feature to get it to work on safari. Apple hates autoplay sound. (which as a user is overall a good thing)

rezonant6 anni fa

As long as you do it as part of a user gesture it should work. Make sure the actual play() is called from within the context of a touch/mouse event, that should be enough.

galuggus6 anni fa

Thanks.

keenmaster6 anni fa

It would still be nice if users can enable sound for all videos with one click. Currently you have to enable sound on each individual video.

galuggus6 anni fa

Added this feature you can now use arrow keys or the mouse wheel

drusepth6 anni fa

Wow, it didn't even occur to me to try dragging with a mouse. I'm on a touchscreen laptop and when touching-and-dragging didn't work (only moved the videos a little bit, but not enough to go to the next one), I just assumed it was mobile-only.

9nGQluzmnq3M6 anni fa

Built by HNer galuggus, who mentioned this deep in another thread. Give him some karma:

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=24095821

galuggus6 anni fa

Much appreciated. I'll be in this thread answering any questions. Bug reports and feedback very welcome. This app was made with help from Tanya of techtwox.com

codetrotter6 anni fa

When you swipe to next video, you have to unmute each time. I know that mobile browsers only allow muted videos to auto play but was wondering if you’ve thought about finding a way to make it so that you only have to unmute the first video.

I know that this is possible to do, because for example YouTube is able to do that in mobile browsers. I don’t know how they do it, but for example if you open this link in a mobile browser and unmute it and allow auto play to continue to next video after it then notice that the next video is unmuted as well.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=0MW0mDZysxc

I guess it might be that they reuse the same player element that was unmuted or something like that.

I think it would be possible to achieve something similar even with multiple player elements by doing something clever.

galuggus6 anni fa

I removed this feature for compatibility reasons.

I think there are ways to do it but I couldn't get it to work. I believe chrome makes exception to this rule for big trusted websites like YouTube

[deleted]6 anni fa

ehsankia6 anni fa

Is there any algorithms involved, or is it just ranked the same for everyone, and ordered by most ranks?

galuggus6 anni fa

At the moment it's just the same for everyone.

wyxuan6 anni fa

FYI- To encourage more organic “karma” , votes that are cast from people who accessed direct links aren’t counted

searchableguy6 anni fa

HN always surprises me with little measures like this one.

ehsankia6 anni fa

Reddit has (and always had) this and many more. It's all part of their extensive anti-abuse system. For example if you go to someone's profile and downvote all their comments, that probably won't work. If you link your post on chat and tell them to go upvote you, won't work either. There's many more of these, and most of them look like they work but behind the scene reddit takes it all into consideration and knows people trying to game the system.

galuggus6 anni fa

I don't follow your meaning. Could you explain more?

echelon6 anni fa

Upvotes from direct links don't count. It's an anti-spam technique.

galuggus6 anni fa

You mean on product hunt?

hanniabu6 anni fa

I think it means when coming to this page directly vs getting to it by clicking the link on the HN homepage.

EE84M3i6 anni fa

It sounds like he's saying that depending on the Referer header for a loaded comments section, HN may or may not generate upvote buttons that are duds.

Looks like there's an auth parameter in the upvote GET request, so sounds entirely plausible.

samblr6 anni fa

This is pretty cool. Well done galuggus.

inportb6 anni fa

Fails in Firefox 79, works in Chrome 84. https://i.imgur.com/gLMnGrZ.jpg

galuggus6 anni fa

Thanks for the feedback. It's still a buggy work on progress.Will add that to my to do list

gruez6 anni fa

weird, works fine on firefox 78 (haven't updated yet)

shyn36 anni fa

It would be nice if the links are clickable and a randomized order of videos.

galuggus6 anni fa

You are right. This is an early version. Thanks for the feedback. I would have liked to post it to showhn on Monday when I had cleaned it up a bit but fate took it out of my hands.

thinkloop6 anni fa

What did fate do?

galuggus6 anni fa

Somebody posted it to hn

shyn36 anni fa

Amazing work!

komali26 anni fa

Doesn't seem to work at all in Firefox mobile but conceptually sounds fun, best of luck!

ryanisnan6 anni fa

Firefox desktop also is completely busted. Would have loved to see it!

galuggus6 anni fa

Sorry about that here is a video:

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=0prsVsf3Psk&feature=emb_title

Will make Firefox compatibility a priority

ryanisnan6 anni fa

Oh wow! Awesome!!!

hacker_newz6 anni fa

Nothing is swipeable here.

keenmaster6 anni fa

Click and drag

alanbernstein6 anni fa

Thanks, I never would have tried that...

galuggus6 anni fa

Thanks for the feedback... Just updated the app so you can now use arrow keys or mousewheel on desktop

echelon6 anni fa

Really great work! It looks and feels super polished.

How long did this take?

What was the most difficult aspect?

What do you intend to do next?

galuggus6 anni fa

It didn't take too long once I sat down and worked on it. I had the initial idea about a year ago but didn't coding on it til recently.

The hardest part was solving compatibility issues(still a wip) and not overcomplicating things.

Next is a product hunt launch tomorrow

And starting a kindle recycling non profit rekindlereading.org (very early website)

llacb476 anni fa

This is truly the most advanced algorithm ever seen ;)

    https://twiktwok.github.io/firstVids.js

blocked_again6 anni fa

That's just the ouput cache of the algorithm's last run. The algorithm itself is pretty advanced and is run on the developers's biological neural net.

stopyellingatme6 anni fa

Love the term *biological neural net" Great way to say "still in the noggin"

oefrha6 anni fa

Reminds me of the best no-bullshit algorithm:

  int getRandomNumber()
  {
     return 4; // chosen by fair dice roll.
               // guaranteed to be random.
  }

https://xkcd.com/221/

codetrotter6 anni fa

Also, this one https://dilbert.com/strip/2001-10-25

arendtio6 anni fa

My favorite Dilbert of all time ;-)

tucnak6 anni fa

Haha very funny, classic xkcd

heed6 anni fa

So all of the content is manually uploaded to the repo?

homero6 anni fa

I'd do that too but it would be cached and updated hourly. Why hit the Twitter api on each request?

benbristow6 anni fa

You could set the app up to call the Twitter API but cache the response in memory or something like Redis so you don't need any background jobs/file management etc.

homero6 anni fa

I've used memcached a lot but there's also benefits to caching a JavaScript file for an hour at a CDN and removing all load from that request.

galuggus6 anni fa

Hahaha

xparco6 anni fa

rosstex6 anni fa

OP just wanted to advertise his woofer cushion :)

jenkins6g6 anni fa

This is pretty cool, I like the aspect of simply watching videos. I think I made it to the end of videos though, not sure if this was intentional or if you want to continue to paginate videos forever lol. Appreciate your idea and work, keep chugging!

galuggus6 anni fa

Thanks, your encouragement is appreciated

lawrenceyan6 anni fa

Didn't Twitter acquire Vine at some point? Whatever happened with all of that.

bradgessler6 anni fa

Microsoft x TikTok = Bing Bong

galuggus6 anni fa

Clippy clop

[deleted]6 anni fa

somerandomboi6 anni fa

Read the repository on Github. I like it; keep expanding the source code, this could be the next concept one day!

blisseyGo6 anni fa

Slightly related but some Redditor "created a NSFW TikTok clone, with just portait-mode porn gifs, some with sound. (works best on mobile)":

https://www.reddit.com/r/SideProject/comments/enn048/i_creat...

ehsankia6 anni fa

These are neat, but in my mind, TikTok is far more about the ForYou algorithm than the fact that it's a scrolling feed of videos. The latter is fairly easy to do, as showcased by this very thread. Any decent engineer can throw together a demo like this fairly easily. TikTok's huge success though seems to be due to how good it is at predicting what people will like, which is something that even Youtube struggles to sometimes. Of course predicting 10s videos is much easier than predicting 5m videos.

genericacct6 anni fa

The algo has been failing pretty bad; "hide videos from this user" does not work anymore, i suspect it can only deal with a limited number of ignores. Last summer I did an experiment, tapping "not interested" on any food-related video (I was on a diet) and yet i kept being shown food videos.

ehsankia6 anni fa

The former issue may be intentional. I've seen many recommendation algos not quite letting users shoot themselves in the foot. It's like how if you subscribe to 1000 channels on Youtube, it'll start only showing you the videos you actually watch instead of all the videos.

The latter is strange, but generally for me it has worked pretty well, without even needing to rely too much on "not interested". For example, in March I started playing Animal Crossing, and a week later my feed was 50% ACNH content. Then I stopped playing around May, and a few weeks later, I was quickly down to maybe 1 a day and now I'm at 1 a week maybe.

That being said, I like and share videos frequently, so that may be a good signal of what I'm currently interested in to the app.

jaquers6 anni fa

Please bind mousewheel and arrow keys, thanks.

galuggus6 anni fa

Thanks for the feedback. On the todo list

galuggus6 anni fa

Done

yuz6 anni fa

Reminds of a similar HN mobile reader with infinite scrolling I did last week.

https://yoazmenda.github.io/hn/

It tries to extract the main articles image and shows you a cat if it fails

Scaevolus6 anni fa

This really makes you appreciate how much higher quality TikTok videos are than Twitter! (no account/app needed-- https://www.tiktok.com/foryou )

nsomaru6 anni fa

Unfortunately that makes me download the app. Firefox for iOS

njsubedi6 anni fa

For me it’s only the banner prompt at the bottom of the page.

aabbcc12416 anni fa

Unfortunately that doesn't work with web archive

morsch6 anni fa

I just got an endless stream of incredibly boring garbage. Gave the algorithm some feedback to tune it to my interests, but there's nothing there for me. I guess now I know what the fuss is about though.

Scaevolus6 anni fa

I meant in terms of video bitrate-- regarding content, the default feed is unlikely to appeal to working professionals, but it does tune itself rather effectively when fed preference data. I have no idea if it will do personalization from the web site.

thisismyswamp6 anni fa

You're an intellectual

scumcity6 anni fa

mcintyre19946 anni fa

Has it hit an API limit or something? I just get the tweet text but no video. Screenshot: https://imgur.com/a/6TZTFkJ in Safari iOS

Edit: reloaded without content blockers and it worked! :)

mashpotato6 anni fa

What was the hardest part of making this?

baby6 anni fa

I was watching this on my ipad pro and every videos was muted by default. Had to click to unmute on each of em’

joshribakoff6 anni fa

Cool, please add keyboard controls. Really addictive idea but swiping on a laptop isn't fun

galuggus6 anni fa

Added

nextaccountic6 anni fa

Note, you need to disable tracking protection for this page in Firefox.

Also, how to move to the next video? I'm on desktop.

distances6 anni fa

Ahh thanks, I was wondering why I don't see anything. Not really willing to disable that.

galuggus6 anni fa

Click and drag

INTPenis6 anni fa

This is a simple way of showing Twitter where they missed out.

galuggus6 anni fa

Now on Producthunt.com

tomschwiha6 anni fa

I like the path[1] when you've reached the final Destination (or the end of Twitter)

[1] https://twiktwok.github.io/test2.html

seamyb886 anni fa

thrownaway9546 anni fa

I don't get it .. why am I getting the same videos for the last 4 times I've viewed this thing??? Anyone else experience that?